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[Oracle]

Mr YFred; I think I can tell the difference between Russians and Kazakhs (believe me , they are very different) and although the Russians are a very sizable minority as you say there is no call by them for an independent Russian Kazakhstan. The Kazakhs spent over eighty years under the Soviet yoke and they weren't too happy with changing the Soviet yoke for a Turkish one. All Citizens in Kazakhstan are equal under the law and there are over a hundred different ethnic groups there. The Kazakh people are one of the frienliest people you could ever wish to meet unless you try to take advantage of them.

Don't let those bully-boy Turks stop you telling it as it is!

They hate the truth and they will try to "persuade" you that things are not as they seem. But stand up to them and feel free to express the reality of the unwanted Turks!

[insan]

Hello MR YFred and Mr Isan
There were three major riots when I was there and the last towards the end of 2007 involved several thousand Construction workers; not a fight between a few people. The reasons were manyfold though basically the Kazakhs (who by the way are a very proud race would never refer to themselves as Kazakh Turks and if I called my wife that she would most probably divorce me) believed the Turks were coming to their country and treating them as if they were Country Bumpkins or serfs. The unrest did spread to other towns and the army was called in to calm things down.
The President of Kazakhstan is very astute; he has built a completley new capital Astana which is located in central Kazakhstan as it was felt the old capital Almaty was too close to the Chinese border and the thought of Chinese expansionism is what frightens them and that is why they will always stay aligned with Russia and Turkey won't get a look in.

Well Turks do that to TCs too they call us greeks. But we don't mind and call them Gacos. So its a bit of banter, but rioting must have other reasons. Somebody is encouraging it for what ever gain they have and using the usual tool of manipulating prejudices. What's new?

This is what illiterate Turks and illiterate TCs do, not all Turks and TCs do.

Sort of you are right but even the Literate Turks although may not be so explicit, they do look down on TCs. Two of my brothers went to Uni in Turkey and that was their experience.

U r confusing the literates with so-called literates, then re YFreddo. Even a shepherd can be more literate than a so-called literate...

Hahahaha ... Turks discussing which Turk is more literate ... hahahhaah

U liked it eh? Join us if u wish.

[Oracle]

Hello MR YFred and Mr Isan
There were three major riots when I was there and the last towards the end of 2007 involved several thousand Construction workers; not a fight between a few people. The reasons were manyfold though basically the Kazakhs (who by the way are a very proud race would never refer to themselves as Kazakh Turks and if I called my wife that she would most probably divorce me) believed the Turks were coming to their country and treating them as if they were Country Bumpkins or serfs. The unrest did spread to other towns and the army was called in to calm things down.
The President of Kazakhstan is very astute; he has built a completley new capital Astana which is located in central Kazakhstan as it was felt the old capital Almaty was too close to the Chinese border and the thought of Chinese expansionism is what frightens them and that is why they will always stay aligned with Russia and Turkey won't get a look in.

Well Turks do that to TCs too they call us greeks. But we don't mind and call them Gacos. So its a bit of banter, but rioting must have other reasons. Somebody is encouraging it for what ever gain they have and using the usual tool of manipulating prejudices. What's new?

This is what illiterate Turks and illiterate TCs do, not all Turks and TCs do.

Sort of you are right but even the Literate Turks although may not be so explicit, they do look down on TCs. Two of my brothers went to Uni in Turkey and that was their experience.

U r confusing the literates with so-called literates, then re YFreddo. Even a shepherd can be more literate than a so-called literate...

Hahahaha ... Turks discussing which Turk is more literate ... hahahhaah

U liked it eh? Join us if u wish.

Thank you ... I'll just watch, listen and "learn"

[YFred]

Hello MR YFred and Mr Isan
There were three major riots when I was there and the last towards the end of 2007 involved several thousand Construction workers; not a fight between a few people. The reasons were manyfold though basically the Kazakhs (who by the way are a very proud race would never refer to themselves as Kazakh Turks and if I called my wife that she would most probably divorce me) believed the Turks were coming to their country and treating them as if they were Country Bumpkins or serfs. The unrest did spread to other towns and the army was called in to calm things down.
The President of Kazakhstan is very astute; he has built a completley new capital Astana which is located in central Kazakhstan as it was felt the old capital Almaty was too close to the Chinese border and the thought of Chinese expansionism is what frightens them and that is why they will always stay aligned with Russia and Turkey won't get a look in.

Well Turks do that to TCs too they call us greeks. But we don't mind and call them Gacos. So its a bit of banter, but rioting must have other reasons. Somebody is encouraging it for what ever gain they have and using the usual tool of manipulating prejudices. What's new?

This is what illiterate Turks and illiterate TCs do, not all Turks and TCs do.

Sort of you are right but even the Literate Turks although may not be so explicit, they do look down on TCs. Two of my brothers went to Uni in Turkey and that was their experience.

U r confusing the literates with so-called literates, then re YFreddo. Even a shepherd can be more literate than a so-called literate...

Hahahaha ... Turks discussing which Turk is more literate ... hahahhaah

U liked it eh? Join us if u wish.

No Insan don't you dare, you may wish to go insane but I need my sanity. I am not giving it up.

[insan]

Hello MR YFred and Mr Isan
There were three major riots when I was there and the last towards the end of 2007 involved several thousand Construction workers; not a fight between a few people. The reasons were manyfold though basically the Kazakhs (who by the way are a very proud race would never refer to themselves as Kazakh Turks and if I called my wife that she would most probably divorce me) believed the Turks were coming to their country and treating them as if they were Country Bumpkins or serfs. The unrest did spread to other towns and the army was called in to calm things down.
The President of Kazakhstan is very astute; he has built a completley new capital Astana which is located in central Kazakhstan as it was felt the old capital Almaty was too close to the Chinese border and the thought of Chinese expansionism is what frightens them and that is why they will always stay aligned with Russia and Turkey won't get a look in.

Well Turks do that to TCs too they call us greeks. But we don't mind and call them Gacos. So its a bit of banter, but rioting must have other reasons. Somebody is encouraging it for what ever gain they have and using the usual tool of manipulating prejudices. What's new?

This is what illiterate Turks and illiterate TCs do, not all Turks and TCs do.

Sort of you are right but even the Literate Turks although may not be so explicit, they do look down on TCs. Two of my brothers went to Uni in Turkey and that was their experience.

U r confusing the literates with so-called literates, then re YFreddo. Even a shepherd can be more literate than a so-called literate...

Hahahaha ... Turks discussing which Turk is more literate ... hahahhaah

U liked it eh? Join us if u wish.

No Insan don't you dare, you may wish to go insane but I need my sanity. I am not giving it up.

YFreddo... bro... u have gone way too much hyperactive recently... I remember ur early days here; u were more sweet-tempered... u need a nice holiday, re YFreddo.

[Oracle]

The Turkish Class system in the "TRNC".

...... The Turk .............. The Settler .............. The "TC"

[Christine Toskos]

Turkey has successfully made the Turkish Cypriots feel inferior not only to us, The Greeks who are higher class, but to the entire world. The Turkish Cypriots are the door mats of Turkey. Turkey tells them to jump and they say how high!

Turkish Cypriots fight against your oppressor the Turkish army and government.

Partition Turkey not Cyprus.

[Jimski999]

Just a little clarification on what I wrote yesterday; The Kazakhs are a Turkic’ tribe; which doesn’t make them Turkish just as the English are a Germanic tribe and you wouldn’t call them Germans would you? The Seljuk Turks come from an area on the borders of Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan and they still populate this area.
In the Biography of Genghis Khan it tells how his armies drove the Seljuk Turks westwards into the Caucasus and from this the Seljuk’s started moving into Anatolia. The pursuing southern Mongol Army was eventually stopped by the Marmalukes and they retreated into present day Iran, where descendents of this army can be found today. My Kazakh friends inform me that prior to the Mongol invasion that the Kazakh tribes were Caucasian so hopefully that information will stop Deniz looking in the mirror.
Other interesting facts appear in the book “Constantinople: The Last Great Siege of 1453” by Roger Crowley were it states that when the Seljuk Turks entered Anatolia; due to lack of numbers they had to assimilate other ethnic groups into their tribe to have enough soldiers to conquer Anatolia. Another interesting fact was that the Sultan of the Ottomans (was it Memhet II ?) at the time was to all intents and purposes Serbian so it appears there is a bit of an ethnic mix over in Turkey.
Tim; just to clarify. I may have been lucky but in the many years I’ve spent in Kazakhstan I’ve never felt threatened and found Almaty and Astana very cosmopolitan. My wife comes from the very south of the country and even though it is a relatively small town where she is from I have always been welcomed with friendliness and kindness. Like anywhere there are dangers though a little common sense usually keeps you out of trouble.

[denizaksulu]

Just a little clarification on what I wrote yesterday; The Kazakhs are a Turkic’ tribe; which doesn’t make them Turkish just as the English are a Germanic tribe and you wouldn’t call them Germans would you? The Seljuk Turks come from an area on the borders of Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan and they still populate this area.
In the Biography of Genghis Khan it tells how his armies drove the Seljuk Turks westwards into the Caucasus and from this the Seljuk’s started moving into Anatolia. The pursuing southern Mongol Army was eventually stopped by the Marmalukes and they retreated into present day Iran, where descendents of this army can be found today. My Kazakh friends inform me that prior to the Mongol invasion that the Kazakh tribes were Caucasian so hopefully that information will stop Deniz looking in the mirror.
Other interesting facts appear in the book “Constantinople: The Last Great Siege of 1453” by Roger Crowley were it states that when the Seljuk Turks entered Anatolia; due to lack of numbers they had to assimilate other ethnic groups into their tribe to have enough soldiers to conquer Anatolia. Another interesting fact was that the Sultan of the Ottomans (was it Memhet II ?) at the time was to all intents and purposes Serbian so it appears there is a bit of an ethnic mix over in Turkey.
Tim; just to clarify. I may have been lucky but in the many years I’ve spent in Kazakhstan I’ve never felt threatened and found Almaty and Astana very cosmopolitan. My wife comes from the very south of the country and even though it is a relatively small town where she is from I have always been welcomed with friendliness and kindness. Like anywhere there are dangers though a little common sense usually keeps you out of trouble.

Very interesting post jimski999. My 'time looking in mirror was tongue-in-cheek and in reference to some GCs getting their knickers in a twist (or Y-fronts). We all know that almost all the Sultans mothers were European or Russian . As to AlpArslan and his warriors they also had other Christian forces allied with them.

[Tim Drayton]

[...] Just read what Tim told little cira and it'll cure all bad feelings.

Back that up with the URL or take back that baseless accusation, YFreddo.