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[YFred]

Insan
You can quote all you want about Turkish Kazakh relations and no doubt on a governmental level you may be correct but I'm talking about the ordinary man/women in the street. Several major Turkish companies had to pull their people out of Kazakstan as they couldn't guarrentee their safety. There have been several major riots against the Turks. The pictures on Turkish TV news wasn't a movie; in fact I was there and saw the riots with my own eyes. I witnessed some good decent Turkish men badly beaten and also some good, decent Kazakh people hurt trying to protect them so I'm speaking from what I've seen, not from what I've read.

Do not get confused with what is going on in Kazakstan. The russinas in their attempt to sovietising it, introduced lots of russians there. The problem is with the introduced russians not Kazak Turks.

[Oracle]

Oh, that's alright then; it's only the Russians that hate the Turks

[YFred]

Oh, that's alright then; it's only the Russians that hate the Turks

Please don't twist it. Here we are refering to the Russian Kazaks. The Russian Government is getting on with Turks like a house on fire.

[insan]

Insan
You can quote all you want about Turkish Kazakh relations and no doubt on a governmental level you may be correct but I'm talking about the ordinary man/women in the street. Several major Turkish companies had to pull their people out of Kazakstan as they couldn't guarrentee their safety. There have been several major riots against the Turks. The pictures on Turkish TV news wasn't a movie; in fact I was there and saw the riots with my own eyes. I witnessed some good decent Turkish men badly beaten and also some good, decent Kazakh people hurt trying to protect them so I'm speaking from what I've seen, not from what I've read.

Jimski,

Kazakhstan, in the last decade has become a very "hot spot".

Russia's fears regarding the surrounding Turkish states getting bigger and bigger while surrounding Turkish states getting stronger by cooperating and collaborating with each other. Russia was highly disturbed from strong relations between Turkic states.

http://www.kazakhistannews.com/

Have a look at that website. If u refer to that major incident took place in 2006; I haven't heard any major incidents since 2006. If u heard or witnessed, plz enlighten and let us examine the motives behind such incidents.

Why don't most kazakhs like Turks? What wrongs did Turks do Kazakhs? There r 15.000 Kazakh refugees living in Turkey who were deported from Xinjiang by Chinese government during the 50s and 1962.

[Jimski999]

Mr YFred; I think I can tell the difference between Russians and Kazakhs (believe me , they are very different) and although the Russians are a very sizable minority as you say there is no call by them for an independent Russian Kazakhstan. The Kazakhs spent over eighty years under the Soviet yoke and they weren't too happy with changing the Soviet yoke for a Turkish one. All Citizens in Kazakhstan are equal under the law and there are over a hundred different ethnic groups there. The Kazakh people are one of the frienliest people you could ever wish to meet unless you try to take advantage of them.

[YFred]

Mr YFred; I think I can tell the difference between Russians and Kazakhs (believe me , they are very different) and although the Russians are a very sizable minority as you say there is no call by them for an independent Russian Kazakhstan. The Kazakhs spent over eighty years under the Soviet yoke and they weren't too happy with changing the Soviet yoke for a Turkish one. All Citizens in Kazakhstan are equal under the law and there are over a hundred different ethnic groups there. The Kazakh people are one of the frienliest people you could ever wish to meet unless you try to take advantage of them.

Are you saying Kazak Turks attacked Turkish Turks in a political way? or was it a fight between some people over some deal that has gone pearshaped.

The two are totally different.

[Jimski999]

Hello MR YFred and Mr Isan
There were three major riots when I was there and the last towards the end of 2007 involved several thousand Construction workers; not a fight between a few people. The reasons were manyfold though basically the Kazakhs (who by the way are a very proud race would never refer to themselves as Kazakh Turks and if I called my wife that she would most probably divorce me) believed the Turks were coming to their country and treating them as if they were Country Bumpkins or serfs. The unrest did spread to other towns and the army was called in to calm things down.
The President of Kazakhstan is very astute; he has built a completley new capital Astana which is located in central Kazakhstan as it was felt the old capital Almaty was too close to the Chinese border and the thought of Chinese expansionism is what frightens them and that is why they will always stay aligned with Russia and Turkey won't get a look in.

[YFred]

Hello MR YFred and Mr Isan
There were three major riots when I was there and the last towards the end of 2007 involved several thousand Construction workers; not a fight between a few people. The reasons were manyfold though basically the Kazakhs (who by the way are a very proud race would never refer to themselves as Kazakh Turks and if I called my wife that she would most probably divorce me) believed the Turks were coming to their country and treating them as if they were Country Bumpkins or serfs. The unrest did spread to other towns and the army was called in to calm things down.
The President of Kazakhstan is very astute; he has built a completley new capital Astana which is located in central Kazakhstan as it was felt the old capital Almaty was too close to the Chinese border and the thought of Chinese expansionism is what frightens them and that is why they will always stay aligned with Russia and Turkey won't get a look in.

Well Turks do that to TCs too they call us greeks. But we don't mind and call them Gacos. So its a bit of banter, but rioting must have other reasons. Somebody is encouraging it for what ever gain they have and using the usual tool of manipulating prejudices. What's new?

[insan]

Hello MR YFred and Mr Isan
There were three major riots when I was there and the last towards the end of 2007 involved several thousand Construction workers; not a fight between a few people. The reasons were manyfold though basically the Kazakhs (who by the way are a very proud race would never refer to themselves as Kazakh Turks and if I called my wife that she would most probably divorce me) believed the Turks were coming to their country and treating them as if they were Country Bumpkins or serfs. The unrest did spread to other towns and the army was called in to calm things down.
The President of Kazakhstan is very astute; he has built a completley new capital Astana which is located in central Kazakhstan as it was felt the old capital Almaty was too close to the Chinese border and the thought of Chinese expansionism is what frightens them and that is why they will always stay aligned with Russia and Turkey won't get a look in.

Then either Kazakh Turks were not taught abt their origins or those who deny their Turkish roots r illiterates.

http://www.mongolianoralhistory.org/sam ... 61104A.xml

[insan]

Hello MR YFred and Mr Isan
There were three major riots when I was there and the last towards the end of 2007 involved several thousand Construction workers; not a fight between a few people. The reasons were manyfold though basically the Kazakhs (who by the way are a very proud race would never refer to themselves as Kazakh Turks and if I called my wife that she would most probably divorce me) believed the Turks were coming to their country and treating them as if they were Country Bumpkins or serfs. The unrest did spread to other towns and the army was called in to calm things down.
The President of Kazakhstan is very astute; he has built a completley new capital Astana which is located in central Kazakhstan as it was felt the old capital Almaty was too close to the Chinese border and the thought of Chinese expansionism is what frightens them and that is why they will always stay aligned with Russia and Turkey won't get a look in.

Well Turks do that to TCs too they call us greeks. But we don't mind and call them Gacos. So its a bit of banter, but rioting must have other reasons. Somebody is encouraging it for what ever gain they have and using the usual tool of manipulating prejudices. What's new?

This is what illiterate Turks and illiterate TCs do, not all Turks and TCs do.