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[Paphitis]

CBBB wrote:

They do, they think that we are going to get everything back! Even if we have to wait for a thousand years.

We always prevail in the end, and history has shown us this over and over again...

When? Returning to Constantinople?

Kyrenia will suffice!

OK, but when did history show us this over and over again? With the Aborigines getting their land back?

Cyprus has endured many invasions and occupations in the past, and where are they all now.

Yes they have...Aborigines have land rights and mining royalties....

The tribal elders are amongst the richest people of Australia...

That is why they are all alcoholics?

I said that the elders are filthy rich...not the average Aborigine.

The tribal elders have not been very fair with wealth distribution, keeping all the royalties for themselves.

The Aborigines receive Billions in royalties, but this money is shared with only a select few.

[Omer Seyhan]

IF THIS BE TREASON

SO THIS is treason, that a love of land

strengthen and circle in our hearts

through every hour of every day?

So this is treason, that our minds

should stir to none but native breeze,

that we should dream of unity

and our land’s high purpose,

that we should see

a national future

triumphant in our song,

that we should be

willing servants

of Cyprus' dream?

If this be treason, then let every tree

fall to the axe, let all brave flowers

wither in traitorous disgrace.

If this be treason, then the very earth

offends against the state,

and every stick and stone

plots order’s overthrow,

assassination breeds

in every village, the Horgadigo/Koylu's sabotage

broods on each Lemon grove.

If love of land a dastard treason be,

then black glows the sun and solid is the sea.

Save it for the TCs, because it is they that have betrayed the island, their own community and themselves....

GCs have no illusions.

Dear Paphitis,

I hope one day you will understand the Turkish Cypriots better.

It has not been easy for them.

I understand and I share the suffering and loss of all Cypriots in 1974 and before but I must point out a few contemprary facts to you.

Greek Cypriots have been left with a state in their possession and all the benefits (and responsibilities) it carries. Turkish Cypriots may benefit a little as RoC citizens but they cannot participate in decision-making and are limited in how much they can benefit from citizenship. Only Greek Cypriots can fully enjoys the fruits of the EU.

A Greek Cypriot doctoral student can get tens of thousands Cyprus pounds worth of grants by the Government, they can work in the European Parliament, Commission, become MEP and Commissioner, they can trade with the world and open any franchise in Cyprus they like. Turkish Cypriots can at best expect whatever trickles down, whatever crumbs are left over...

In the north, people do all kinds of unpleasant things to get by as Turkey is the boss there. Most Turkish Cypriots do not like the situation but are powerless to change it. They have become servants of Turkey (its not a nice term to use I know) because there is really no choice. In many respects its easier for those people like me who do not work in the civil service there, who do not rely on bread money from the civil service, but 1/3 of the workforce in the north do. Most of them voted YES in the Annan Plan to reunify their country and in some cases leave their home and relocate so that the original owners get it back. Are they all traitors in your eyes?

I'd like to see how you would react if confronted with the same big, Turkish bully that threatens us every day. Would you be so quick to stand up to the bully? Would you be so daring to speak out?

Also, don't forget Turkish Cypriots are human beings. Human Beings are complicated. You are complicated too.


Regards,
Omer

[insan]

Dear Ömer,

I would like u to clarify something to us... Let's suppose, there's no Turkey behind TCs or as u like Turkey is not the boss we r servants of...

What would have changed? We would have accepted minority status in a GC ruled Cyprus and led a prosperous life like GCs? Or they would have forced us to accept minority status

I don't think so.. first of all we would have to accept their false, heroic, historical fairy tales; if not there r 2 options to choose:

1) Don't accept their false, heroic, historical fairy tales but appear as if u believe it.(ass-licking)

2) Immigrate to another country.


There r many other aspects that make TCs struggle against GC domination but first I'd like to hear ur opinions regarding the above mentioned issue.

[Gabira]

CBBB wrote:

They do, they think that we are going to get everything back! Even if we have to wait for a thousand years.

We always prevail in the end, and history has shown us this over and over again...

When? Returning to Constantinople?

Kyrenia will suffice!

OK, but when did history show us this over and over again? With the Aborigines getting their land back?

Cyprus has endured many invasions and occupations in the past, and where are they all now.

Yes they have...Aborigines have land rights and mining royalties....

The tribal elders are amongst the richest people of Australia...

That is why they are all alcoholics?

I said that the elders are filthy rich...not the average Aborigine.

The tribal elders have not been very fair with wealth distribution, keeping all the royalties for themselves.

The Aborigines receive Billions in royalties, but this money is shared with only a select few.

You really plucked that one right out of your ass

Your story is just getting better and better

You obviously rely upon peoples naivity and limited knowledge on Australian Aboriginal affairs to spread your bullshit.

Aboriginals are treated as second class citizens and are regarded as "vulnerable persons" in Australia because of their tragic circumstances. You could almost class them as being enclaved in many parts of Australia.

The majority of them live in poor conditions and ghetto's. What a piss poor effort from you to make any comparisions of Aborigines to Greek Cypriots. If anything, the plight of the Aborigines is more comparable to the plight of TC's in their own country.

[Omer Seyhan]

Dear Ömer,

I would like u to clarify something to us... Let's suppose, there's no Turkey behind TCs or as u like Turkey is not the boss we r servants of...

What would have changed? We would have accepted minority status in a GC ruled Cyprus and led a prosperous life like GCs? Or they would have forced us to accept minority status

I don't think so.. first of all we would have to accept their false, heroic, historical fairy tales; if not there r 2 options to choose:

1) Don't accept their false, heroic, historical fairy tales but appear as if u believe it.(ass-licking)

2) Immigrate to another country.


There r many other aspects that make TCs struggle against GC domination but first I'd like to hear ur opinions regarding the above mentioned issue.

I never ass lick Insan... its not my style.

I strongly believe more than you are prepared to give me credit for that there is a third way. There is an option where all Cypriots can be equal in a state that is bilingual, where ethnic differences are gradually diluted over time, where everybody speaks both languages and when nobody cares anymore about the "Myceanean Greeks" or "Ottoman Turks". When everybody puts Cyprus' national interests first and communal issues are reduced to issues about local issues, education, environment, employment etc...

If we have only your two choices Insan and I and thousands others like me cannot be Cypriots in a reunited Cyprus then I'd rather every Turkish Cypriot brother and sister left for England and became English. I will nerver accept assimilation whether with Greeks or with Turks.

[Paphitis]

Omer wrote:

Dear Paphitis,

I hope one day you will understand the Turkish Cypriots better.

It has not been easy for them.

Look around you Omer! Look at the vile preached by many TCs.

One even gloated about their father killing GCs in Lurucina, but then deleted the post.

I understand and I share the suffering and loss of all Cypriots in 1974 and before but I must point out a few contemprary facts to you.

That's very nice of you Omer...

Greek Cypriots have been left with a state in their possession and all the benefits (and responsibilities) it carries. Turkish Cypriots may benefit a little as RoC citizens but they cannot participate in decision-making and are limited in how much they can benefit from citizenship. Only Greek Cypriots can fully enjoys the fruits of the EU.

The TCs will be able to participate once the TA and settlers are removed. I'm afraid that the invasion has also placed the TCs in a precarious position, but Turkey does not care about that.

The RoC however will not deny the TCs certain rights such as citizenship, education and free medical care.

A Greek Cypriot doctoral student can get tens of thousands Cyprus pounds worth of grants by the Government, they can work in the European Parliament, Commission, become MEP and Commissioner, they can trade with the world and open any franchise in Cyprus they like. Turkish Cypriots can at best expect whatever trickles down, whatever crumbs are left over...

From what I understand, some TC students are studying at the University of Cyprus...

But I take your point for the rest of it.

In the north, people do all kinds of unpleasant things to get by as Turkey is the boss there. Most Turkish Cypriots do not like the situation but are powerless to change it. They have become servants of Turkey (its not a nice term to use I know) because there is really no choice. In many respects its easier for those people like me who do not work in the civil service there, who do not rely on bread money from the civil service, but 1/3 of the workforce in the north do. Most of them voted YES in the Annan Plan to reunify their country and in some cases leave their home and relocate so that the original owners get it back. Are they all traitors in your eyes?

Agreed! Not all TCs are traitors.

But I hope you understand why The Annan Plan was not accepted by the GCs. It was not because we don't want a solution.

I'd like to see how you would react if confronted with the same big, Turkish bully that threatens us every day. Would you be so quick to stand up to the bully? Would you be so daring to speak out?

Under these circumstances, I would endeavor to be a dissident. If that is not possible, then I would probably migrate, or move to the RoC, because I know that in the RoC , my rights and civil liberties as an individual are protected.

Also, don't forget Turkish Cypriots are human beings. Human Beings are complicated. You are complicated too.

Regards,
Omer

Of course TCs are human. I would never argue against that.

[Paphitis]

CBBB wrote:

They do, they think that we are going to get everything back! Even if we have to wait for a thousand years.

We always prevail in the end, and history has shown us this over and over again...

When? Returning to Constantinople?

Kyrenia will suffice!

OK, but when did history show us this over and over again? With the Aborigines getting their land back?

Cyprus has endured many invasions and occupations in the past, and where are they all now.

Yes they have...Aborigines have land rights and mining royalties....

The tribal elders are amongst the richest people of Australia...

That is why they are all alcoholics?

I said that the elders are filthy rich...not the average Aborigine.

The tribal elders have not been very fair with wealth distribution, keeping all the royalties for themselves.

The Aborigines receive Billions in royalties, but this money is shared with only a select few.

You really plucked that one right out of your ass

Your story is just getting better and better

You obviously rely upon peoples naivity and limited knowledge on Australian Aboriginal affairs to spread your bullshit.

Aboriginals are treated as second class citizens and are regarded as "vulnerable persons" in Australia because of their tragic circumstances. You could almost class them as being enclaved in many parts of Australia.

The majority of them live in poor conditions and ghetto's. What a piss poor effort from you to make any comparisions of Aborigines to Greek Cypriots. If anything, the plight of the Aborigines is more comparable to the plight of TC's in their own country.

Aborigines are no longer treated as second class citizens. In fact, Aboriginal culture is now viewed as a great source of pride for the nation.

Also, as stated earlier, Aborigines now have land rights, over vast stretches of land, and receive mining royalties totalling some Billions of dollars. This is a fact!

And considering that there are only 200,000 Aboriginals in Australia, they should in actual fact be the richest citizens in the world on a per capita basis.

[Omer Seyhan]

Omer wrote:

Dear Paphitis,

I hope one day you will understand the Turkish Cypriots better.

It has not been easy for them.

Look around you Omer! Look at the vile preached by many TCs.

One even gloated about their father killing TCs in Lurucina, but then deleted the post.

I understand and I share the suffering and loss of all Cypriots in 1974 and before but I must point out a few contemprary facts to you.

That's very nice of you Omer...

Greek Cypriots have been left with a state in their possession and all the benefits (and responsibilities) it carries. Turkish Cypriots may benefit a little as RoC citizens but they cannot participate in decision-making and are limited in how much they can benefit from citizenship. Only Greek Cypriots can fully enjoys the fruits of the EU.

The TCs will be able to participate once the TA and settlers are removed. I'm afraid that the invasion has also placed the TCs in a precarious position, but Turkey does not care about that.

The RoC however will not deny the TCs certain rights such as citizenship, education and free medical care.

A Greek Cypriot doctoral student can get tens of thousands Cyprus pounds worth of grants by the Government, they can work in the European Parliament, Commission, become MEP and Commissioner, they can trade with the world and open any franchise in Cyprus they like. Turkish Cypriots can at best expect whatever trickles down, whatever crumbs are left over...

From what I understand, some TC students are studying at the University of Cyprus...

But I take your point for the rest of it.

In the north, people do all kinds of unpleasant things to get by as Turkey is the boss there. Most Turkish Cypriots do not like the situation but are powerless to change it. They have become servants of Turkey (its not a nice term to use I know) because there is really no choice. In many respects its easier for those people like me who do not work in the civil service there, who do not rely on bread money from the civil service, but 1/3 of the workforce in the north do. Most of them voted YES in the Annan Plan to reunify their country and in some cases leave their home and relocate so that the original owners get it back. Are they all traitors in your eyes?

Agreed! Not all TCs are traitors.

But I hope you understand why The Annan Plan was not accepted by the GCs. It was not because we don't want a solution.

I'd like to see how you would react if confronted with the same big, Turkish bully that threatens us every day. Would you be so quick to stand up to the bully? Would you be so daring to speak out?

Under these circumstances, I would endeavor to be a dissident. If that is not possible, then I would probably migrate, or move to the RoC, because I know that in the RoC , my rights and civil liberties as an individual are protected.

Also, don't forget Turkish Cypriots are human beings. Human Beings are complicated. You are complicated too.

Regards,
Omer

Of course TCs are human. I would never argue against that.

I can see we are both in agreement on this, which pleases me.

[purdey]

Yea ! right on sister ..

[Get Real!]

Omer, unkie GR observes and appreciates your efforts to elevate Cyprus, and also understands the plight of the TCs better than most GCs.

I hope you’re not discouraged from posting here by the many Greek nationalists and persevere with the ultimate goal of a single, democratic, one-man-one-vote modern republic, free from all outside interferences and influences as Cyprus should be.