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[repulsewarrior]

...also food for thought.

[Oceanside50]

dudes i just stumbled on this topic, sorry i'm late...

...my answer to you is the first question, that is the (fvked up) title to the poll:

if there are Turkish enclaves in the south then it would be possible for Greek enclaves to exist in the north

; are you guys going to tell me that "Bizonal" means tearing the island in two, fait accompli, live with it. or, if you are anything but "Greek" just stuff it. tell me how there is Unity, any respect for Cyprus, its Heritance, when there are other Identities people cling to other than Cypriot? how are we "greeks and turks" to demonstrate a will which makes us great, as Peoples and as a People, to the rest of Humanity; what about Grace?

(please read my manifesto...)

zan, i have not had a reason to find myself there while in England, but even if this gypsy enclave is feared, enclaves themselves are not a dirty word. its meaning is geographic. ironically, without the enclaves, however they were formed in Cyprus, there would not have been a Turkish Cypriot identity politically speaking. either way the Constitution has as a Principal, Bicommunality: meaning, a State where all People as Individuals are Equal, and that there exists representation for the People as Persons too. (presently through a Communal Chamber that remains unused) in the future I/i hope, with two or more National Assemblies, for the consideration of a majority while fulfilling the criteria of a Superior Governance, the island dwellers as a whole, all citizens.
pie in the sky? i think not. futuristic maybe, but realistic compared to the morass of sticking to the script we have right now.



...don't mind me i come from a "mixed" village.

Reh RW bou eese reh?

Suspect you might be right. If these talks lead to a settlement then two largish zones with a patchwork of associated villages in the north and south, under a strong central government of course.

Don't like this word enclave, but this patchwork arrangement does make a partition difficult.

PS. I come from a mixed village as well .... London!

Villages that were homogeneous should be considered as enclaves Greek or Turk cyp...

The central government thingy should also be reconsidered..a federal solution doesn't necessarily insure a strong central government regardless of what's written on a piece of paper...

[GreekIslandGirl]

...cheers! bill va eisai kala, saxapo poli.

Na seesees reh.

Jesuni na Zizzirosis.

OMG it's Lord O!

[repulsewarrior]

dudes i just stumbled on this topic, sorry i'm late...

...my answer to you is the first question, that is the (fvked up) title to the poll:

if there are Turkish enclaves in the south then it would be possible for Greek enclaves to exist in the north

; are you guys going to tell me that "Bizonal" means tearing the island in two, fait accompli, live with it. or, if you are anything but "Greek" just stuff it. tell me how there is Unity, any respect for Cyprus, its Heritance, when there are other Identities people cling to other than Cypriot? how are we "greeks and turks" to demonstrate a will which makes us great, as Peoples and as a People, to the rest of Humanity; what about Grace?

(please read my manifesto...)

zan, i have not had a reason to find myself there while in England, but even if this gypsy enclave is feared, enclaves themselves are not a dirty word. its meaning is geographic. ironically, without the enclaves, however they were formed in Cyprus, there would not have been a Turkish Cypriot identity politically speaking. either way the Constitution has as a Principal, Bicommunality: meaning, a State where all People as Individuals are Equal, and that there exists representation for the People as Persons too. (presently through a Communal Chamber that remains unused) in the future I/i hope, with two or more National Assemblies, for the consideration of a majority while fulfilling the criteria of a Superior Governance, the island dwellers as a whole, all citizens.
pie in the sky? i think not. futuristic maybe, but realistic compared to the morass of sticking to the script we have right now.



...don't mind me i come from a "mixed" village.

Reh RW bou eese reh?

Suspect you might be right. If these talks lead to a settlement then two largish zones with a patchwork of associated villages in the north and south, under a strong central government of course.

Don't like this word enclave, but this patchwork arrangement does make a partition difficult.

PS. I come from a mixed village as well .... London!

Villages that were homogeneous should be considered as enclaves Greek or Turk cyp...

The central government thingy should also be reconsidered..a federal solution doesn't necessarily insure a strong central government regardless of what's written on a piece of paper...

The villages that have a historical basis to be "returned" should not be judged solely on their "Greekness", or, "Turkishness", but how they will function, in relation to the land which surrounds them, and what they mean as Justice seen. Whether it is Greek Cypriots or Turkish Cypriots returning to their homes, many choices must be made, not just by them, but in many cases by the people who presently live in these dwellings. The settlers, although some will leave, others deserve the respect and recognition to be Free, as Cypriots, their accommodation is important too. A Cypriot fabric, and the creation of many opportunities to add diversity to it, will evolve with the intention, that there is a Cypriot way. Frankly under the guidance of Cypriots as Cypriots, as in a Federal Government, the Standards that we commit ourselves to keep that are Universal in Principal, can be sustained, because as Cypriots, we too are responsible to a higher order, of Man. And, i believe that taxpayers as Persons, as Constituencies (and within them, their components), will do well with their taxes spent by a Government where they can be closer to their own pockets when it comes to providing the services they want in their daily lives, like service in their mother tongue, education for their children, a Civil society. I relish the thought of watching the National Assemblies debate their issues, where as a Constituency, they serve a set of territorial jurisdictions which compete for legislative attention.

[Lordo]

return where rw the tcs' houses are no more.

[kurupetos]

You can rebuild them with reparations paid from Turkey, gurgudouinmu.

[Lordo]

those who knocked them down will have to build them reh balavi.

[repulsewarrior]

...then we must rebuild them together.

[Lordo]

do you know how long it takes and how much it costs to claim a tc property from groc.

[kurupetos]

those who knocked them down will have to build them reh balavi.

Prove it, fardo.