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The Little Book of BIG Greek Lies
by Risto Stefov - April 2005


BIG Greek Lie # 1 "Modern Greeks are direct descendents of the Ancient Greeks"
http://www.maknews.com/html/articles/st ... fov55.html

BIG Greek Lie # 2 "The Koine Language is Greek"
http://www.maknews.com/html/articles/st ... fov59.html

BIG Greek Lie # 3 “The Ancient ‘Greek gods’ were Greek”
http://www.maknews.com/html/articles/st ... fov63.html

BIG Greek Lie # 4 “There is no such thing as a Macedonian”
http://www.maknews.com/html/articles/st ... fov69.html

BIG Greek Lie # 5 "Greece is an Ethnically Homogeneous Country"
http://www.maknews.com/html/articles/st ... fov73.html

BIG Greek Lie # 6 "Greeks Are a Superior Race"
http://www.maknews.com/html/articles/st ... fov75.html

BIG Greek Lie # 7 "Greece is a Democratic State"
http://www.maknews.com/html/articles/st ... fov79.html

BIG Greek Lie # 8 "Tito created the Macedonian Nation"
http://www.maknews.com/html/articles/st ... fov84.html

BIG Greek Lie # 9 "Macedonia is Greek"
http://www.maknews.com/html/articles/st ... fov85.html

BIG Greek Lie # 10 "Greeks claim no Macedonians, Turks,
Albanians or Vlachs live in Greece today"
http://www.maknews.com/html/articles/st ... fov88.html

BIG Greek Lie # 11 "Macedonian Monks Kiril and Metodi are Greek"
http://www.maknews.com/html/articles/st ... fov90.html

BIG Greek Lie # 12 "Greek-Macedonians"
http://www.maknews.com/html/articles/st ... fov92.html

BIG Greek Lie # 13 "No Macedonians Exist in Macedonia"
http://www.maknews.com/html/articles/st ... fov94.html

BIG Greek Lie # 14 "Macedonians are Slavs"
http://www.maknews.com/html/articles/st ... fov96.html

BIG Greek Lie # 15 "Greeks are Hellenes"
http://www.maknews.com/html/articles/st ... fov98.html

BIG Greek Lie # 16 "The Macedonian Language Does Not Exist"
http://www.maknews.com/html/articles/st ... ov100.html

BIG Greek Lie # 17 "The Ancient Macedonians were Greek"
http://www.maknews.com/html/articles/st ... ov102.html

BIG Greek Lie # 18 "Philip II United the Greeks"
http://www.maknews.com/html/articles/st ... ov104.html

BIG Greek Lie # 19 "4,000 years of Greek Civilization"
http://www.maknews.com/html/articles/st ... ov107.html

BIG Greek Lie # 20 "Macedonia was liberated in 1912, 1913"
http://www.maknews.com/html/articles/st ... ov108.html

[insan]

If I am to understand this correctly "a Hellene is a person who shares the culture, ideals, and pattern of life of ancient Greece in classical times" and "who is a native of either ancient or modern Greece". In other words, again if I understand this correctly, any person of any ethnicity who is native of either ancient or modern Greece and who shares the culture, ideals and pattern of life of ancient Greece in classical times qualifies to be a Hellene.

Can a person be a Hellene and something else at the same time? According to Modern Greek standards, NO! One cannot be a Hellene and a Turk at the same time; according to some Greeks, why would they want to? "A Hellene is a superior being!" Also, according to some Greeks, "to be a Hellene one must be a descendant of the ancient Hellenes".

[Get Real!]

If I am to understand this correctly "a Hellene is a person who shares the culture, ideals, and pattern of life of ancient Greece in classical times" and "who is a native of either ancient or modern Greece". In other words, again if I understand this correctly, any person of any ethnicity who is native of either ancient or modern Greece and who shares the culture, ideals and pattern of life of ancient Greece in classical times qualifies to be a Hellene.

Can a person be a Hellene and something else at the same time? According to Modern Greek standards, NO! One cannot be a Hellene and a Turk at the same time; according to some Greeks, why would they want to? "A Hellene is a superior being!" Also, according to some Greeks, "to be a Hellene one must be a descendant of the ancient Hellenes".

I think the only thing that everyone can agree about these “Hellenes” is that they have some very serious mental problems…

[Sotos]

The only lies here are the ones posted by GR and his Skopian friends who want some Greek history because they have none of their own. Macedonians are Greeks. Those people are a mix of Bulgarians and Albanians who were part of the Former Yugoslavia. They have nothing to do with Macedonia but they can call their county "myASSedonia"

[Lit]

The Little Book of BIG Greek Lies
by Risto Stefov - April 2005


BIG Greek Lie # 1 "Modern Greeks are direct descendents of the Ancient Greeks"
http://www.maknews.com/html/articles/st ... fov55.html

BIG Greek Lie # 2 "The Koine Language is Greek"
http://www.maknews.com/html/articles/st ... fov59.html

BIG Greek Lie # 3 “The Ancient ‘Greek gods’ were Greek”
http://www.maknews.com/html/articles/st ... fov63.html

BIG Greek Lie # 4 “There is no such thing as a Macedonian”
http://www.maknews.com/html/articles/st ... fov69.html

BIG Greek Lie # 5 "Greece is an Ethnically Homogeneous Country"
http://www.maknews.com/html/articles/st ... fov73.html

BIG Greek Lie # 6 "Greeks Are a Superior Race"
http://www.maknews.com/html/articles/st ... fov75.html

BIG Greek Lie # 7 "Greece is a Democratic State"
http://www.maknews.com/html/articles/st ... fov79.html

BIG Greek Lie # 8 "Tito created the Macedonian Nation"
http://www.maknews.com/html/articles/st ... fov84.html

BIG Greek Lie # 9 "Macedonia is Greek"
http://www.maknews.com/html/articles/st ... fov85.html

BIG Greek Lie # 10 "Greeks claim no Macedonians, Turks,
Albanians or Vlachs live in Greece today"
http://www.maknews.com/html/articles/st ... fov88.html

BIG Greek Lie # 11 "Macedonian Monks Kiril and Metodi are Greek"
http://www.maknews.com/html/articles/st ... fov90.html

BIG Greek Lie # 12 "Greek-Macedonians"
http://www.maknews.com/html/articles/st ... fov92.html

BIG Greek Lie # 13 "No Macedonians Exist in Macedonia"
http://www.maknews.com/html/articles/st ... fov94.html

BIG Greek Lie # 14 "Macedonians are Slavs"
http://www.maknews.com/html/articles/st ... fov96.html

BIG Greek Lie # 15 "Greeks are Hellenes"
http://www.maknews.com/html/articles/st ... fov98.html

BIG Greek Lie # 16 "The Macedonian Language Does Not Exist"
http://www.maknews.com/html/articles/st ... ov100.html

BIG Greek Lie # 17 "The Ancient Macedonians were Greek"
http://www.maknews.com/html/articles/st ... ov102.html

BIG Greek Lie # 18 "Philip II United the Greeks"
http://www.maknews.com/html/articles/st ... ov104.html

BIG Greek Lie # 19 "4,000 years of Greek Civilization"
http://www.maknews.com/html/articles/st ... ov107.html

BIG Greek Lie # 20 "Macedonia was liberated in 1912, 1913"
http://www.maknews.com/html/articles/st ... ov108.html

For more on Risto Stefov's revisionist work...click here:

http://themacedonianquestion.blogspot.c ... yroms.html

[Paphitis]

What constitutes “CREDIBLE EVIDENCE”?

CREDIBLE EVIDENCE is evidence acquired from an unbiased public domain source that is considered an internationally recognized authority on one or more areas pertaining to the issue at hand.


GOOD sources of evidence include:

1. The United Nations and its multitude of sub-organizations including UNFICYP.

2. International organizations such as the IMF (International monetary fund), WHO (World Health Organization), ICAO (International Civil Aviation Organization), IMO (International Maritime Organization), and similar.

3. Non-profit making world renowned organizations such as, the International Committee of the Red Cross, Amnesty International, the Human Rights Watch, etc.

4. Credible international libraries and other non-open source knowledge base sources such as the Library of Congress.

5. The many British documents made public; needless to remind that the British ruled Cyprus between 1878 and 1960, and were therefore in an excellent position to determine fact from fiction.


BAD sources of “evidence” include:

1. People’s family members, friends, and other acquaintances, all prone to bias and unable to have been in more than one location at any given moment thereby having a very limited scope of events.

2. Greek Cypriot, Turkish Cypriot, Armenian Cypriot, Turkish, and Greek websites, all prone to bias and therefore suspected of serving their respective interests.

3.Newspaper articles and independent authors that do not quote their credible sources of information when stating facts & figures.

4. Text that is NOT in English as it defeats the very purpose of general comprehension and any “translations” thereof that cannot be easily checked for its accuracy.

5. Open source online encyclopedias such as the Wikipedia, that allow any person to write up articles and present them as fact with next to zero scrutiny.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... t=credible

GR!, you have fallen off your perch and descended to the become just lowly background noise reduced to posting baseless Skopjan propaganda about Greece.....

Oh the shame of it all....

[Expatkiwi]

GR, This i a very brave thread you've started. no doubt you've annoyed a lot of people. They can - and will - question your intelligence, but (for what it's worth), I cannot question your integrity.

[Oracle]

A brave thread?

Methinks GR! is just out to impress a certain someone .... Turkey!

He may, then, be spared by the Mehmetcik, who intend to do a more thorough job of annihilating GCs, next time (according to their trainer).

[Gabira]

GR, This i a very brave thread you've started. no doubt you've annoyed a lot of people. They can - and will - question your intelligence, but (for what it's worth), I cannot question your integrity.

Ditto, well said Expat

I'm almost tempted to consider assessing the Turkish Army's half hearted job in '74 in Cyprus objectively

I can't believe I'm putting this to record ... but ... GR, I also give you credit for your bravery to start such a thread ...

[Oracle]

BIG Greek Lie # 1 "Modern Greeks are direct descendents of the Ancient Greeks"
http://www.maknews.com/html/articles/st ... fov55.html

I don't think I'll bother with any of the rest ... here's a typical Get "logical" Real! quote:

There were no "Ancient Greeks" since the word "Greek" was not coined until after the Roman conquests,

Right.
So, there was no Sun or Moon or Earth ... because the words were not coined until after the Roman conquests ...