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[YFred]

From an official document emanating from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Cyprus:

http://news.pseka.net/uploads/img/docum ... tories.doc

In light of the above, the Republic of Cyprus expects that Turkey—which aspires to become a member of a Community of Law and Human Rights that is the EU—will immediately

[…]

assent to the conduct as soon as possible, in the occupied areas, of an internationally supervised census, which will comprehensively profile, inter alia, the nationality of persons residing there. The purpose of such a census is the determination of the size and composition of the population in the occupied part of Cyprus, including in particular the determination of persons entitled to citizenship in terms of Annex D of the Treaty of Establishment 1960.

In other words, the RoC government draws a clear distinction between what in this thread are referred to as the 'first wave' and 'second wave' of settlers.

Any laws concerning TCs passed by the roc since 1963 is like water being carried in a bucket full holes. It doesn’t hold water, Tim. It will have to be approved by the TCs.

[Tim Drayton]

From an official document emanating from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Cyprus:

http://news.pseka.net/uploads/img/docum ... tories.doc

In light of the above, the Republic of Cyprus expects that Turkey—which aspires to become a member of a Community of Law and Human Rights that is the EU—will immediately

[…]

assent to the conduct as soon as possible, in the occupied areas, of an internationally supervised census, which will comprehensively profile, inter alia, the nationality of persons residing there. The purpose of such a census is the determination of the size and composition of the population in the occupied part of Cyprus, including in particular the determination of persons entitled to citizenship in terms of Annex D of the Treaty of Establishment 1960.

In other words, the RoC government draws a clear distinction between what in this thread are referred to as the 'first wave' and 'second wave' of settlers.

Any laws concerning TCs passed by the roc since 1963 is like water being carried in a bucket full holes. It doesn’t hold water, Tim. It will have to be approved by the TCs.

I would hold your horses there. YFred, old mate. Let us look at article 67 concerning citizenship of the TRNC constitution:

http://www.kktcb.eu/upload/pdf/42698.pdf

(1) (a) 1960 Kıbrıs Cumhuriyeti Kuruluş Andlaşmasına bağlı "D" eki uyarınca Kıbrıs
Cumhuriyeti yurttaşlığını kazanan ve 15 Kasım 1983 tarihinde Kuzey Kıbrıs'ta yerleşik
bulunan
[...]
Kuzey Kıbrıs Türk Cumhuriyeti yurttaşıdır.

(1) (a) Everyone who by virtue of Annex "D" of the 1960 Republic of Cyprus Treaty of Establishment obtained citizenship of the Republic of Cyprus and was resident in the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus on 15 November 1983[...]
is a citizen of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.

As you see, the provisions of Annex D of the Treaty of Establishment are in fact accepted by Turkish Cypriots.

This point is irrelevant here. Those who argue that the Turkish occupation of Cyprus is illegal do so with reference to international law. The Treaty of Establishment, which forms part of the corpus of international law, provides that Turkish Cypriots who were resident on the island at the time the republic was established are citizens. International law does not work on a 'pick and mix' basis. You either accept or reject it. It is therefore logically impossible both to describe the Turkish ocupation as illegal and to describe those Turkish Cypriots who were granted citizenship in terms of Annex D of the Treaty of Establishment as 'settlers'.

[YFred]

From an official document emanating from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Cyprus:

http://news.pseka.net/uploads/img/docum ... tories.doc

In light of the above, the Republic of Cyprus expects that Turkey—which aspires to become a member of a Community of Law and Human Rights that is the EU—will immediately

[…]

assent to the conduct as soon as possible, in the occupied areas, of an internationally supervised census, which will comprehensively profile, inter alia, the nationality of persons residing there. The purpose of such a census is the determination of the size and composition of the population in the occupied part of Cyprus, including in particular the determination of persons entitled to citizenship in terms of Annex D of the Treaty of Establishment 1960.

In other words, the RoC government draws a clear distinction between what in this thread are referred to as the 'first wave' and 'second wave' of settlers.

Any laws concerning TCs passed by the roc since 1963 is like water being carried in a bucket full holes. It doesn’t hold water, Tim. It will have to be approved by the TCs.

I would hold your horses there. YFred, old mate. Let us look at article 67 concerning citizenship of the TRNC constitution:

http://www.kktcb.eu/upload/pdf/42698.pdf

(1) (a) 1960 Kıbrıs Cumhuriyeti Kuruluş Andlaşmasına bağlı "D" eki uyarınca Kıbrıs
Cumhuriyeti yurttaşlığını kazanan ve 15 Kasım 1983 tarihinde Kuzey Kıbrıs'ta yerleşik
bulunan
[...]
Kuzey Kıbrıs Türk Cumhuriyeti yurttaşıdır.

(1) (a) Everyone who by virtue of Annex "D" of the 1960 Republic of Cyprus Treaty of Establishment obtained citizenship of the Republic of Cyprus and was resident in the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus on 15 November 1983[...]
is a citizen of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.

As you see, the provisions of Annex D of the Treaty of Establishment are in fact accepted by Turkish Cypriots.

This point is irrelevant here. Those who argue that the Turkish occupation of Cyprus is illegal do so with reference to international law. The Treaty of Establishment, which forms part of the corpus of international law, provides that Turkish Cypriots who were resident on the island at the time the republic was established are citizens. International law does not work on a 'pick and mix' basis. You either accept or reject it. It is therefore logically impossible both to describe the Turkish ocupation as illegal and to describe those Turkish Cypriots who were granted citizenship in terms of Annex D of the Treaty of Establishment as 'settlers'.

Don't you dare go around spreading rumours that I have horses.
Surely TRNC can add a new patch to the law every 10 years to update it, not that dissimilar to what Microsoft does and gets away with it.
Surely if they have a TRNC passport or residency or permit to stay for whatever reason it look looks legitimate.

[Tim Drayton]

From an official document emanating from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Cyprus:

http://news.pseka.net/uploads/img/docum ... tories.doc

In light of the above, the Republic of Cyprus expects that Turkey—which aspires to become a member of a Community of Law and Human Rights that is the EU—will immediately

[…]

assent to the conduct as soon as possible, in the occupied areas, of an internationally supervised census, which will comprehensively profile, inter alia, the nationality of persons residing there. The purpose of such a census is the determination of the size and composition of the population in the occupied part of Cyprus, including in particular the determination of persons entitled to citizenship in terms of Annex D of the Treaty of Establishment 1960.

In other words, the RoC government draws a clear distinction between what in this thread are referred to as the 'first wave' and 'second wave' of settlers.

Any laws concerning TCs passed by the roc since 1963 is like water being carried in a bucket full holes. It doesn’t hold water, Tim. It will have to be approved by the TCs.

I would hold your horses there. YFred, old mate. Let us look at article 67 concerning citizenship of the TRNC constitution:

http://www.kktcb.eu/upload/pdf/42698.pdf

(1) (a) 1960 Kıbrıs Cumhuriyeti Kuruluş Andlaşmasına bağlı "D" eki uyarınca Kıbrıs
Cumhuriyeti yurttaşlığını kazanan ve 15 Kasım 1983 tarihinde Kuzey Kıbrıs'ta yerleşik
bulunan
[...]
Kuzey Kıbrıs Türk Cumhuriyeti yurttaşıdır.

(1) (a) Everyone who by virtue of Annex "D" of the 1960 Republic of Cyprus Treaty of Establishment obtained citizenship of the Republic of Cyprus and was resident in the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus on 15 November 1983[...]
is a citizen of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.

As you see, the provisions of Annex D of the Treaty of Establishment are in fact accepted by Turkish Cypriots.

This point is irrelevant here. Those who argue that the Turkish occupation of Cyprus is illegal do so with reference to international law. The Treaty of Establishment, which forms part of the corpus of international law, provides that Turkish Cypriots who were resident on the island at the time the republic was established are citizens. International law does not work on a 'pick and mix' basis. You either accept or reject it. It is therefore logically impossible both to describe the Turkish ocupation as illegal and to describe those Turkish Cypriots who were granted citizenship in terms of Annex D of the Treaty of Establishment as 'settlers'.

Don't you dare go around spreading rumours that I have horses.

I thought everybody in Louroujina had at least a donkey, if not a horse.

[YFred]

From an official document emanating from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Cyprus:

http://news.pseka.net/uploads/img/docum ... tories.doc

In light of the above, the Republic of Cyprus expects that Turkey—which aspires to become a member of a Community of Law and Human Rights that is the EU—will immediately

[…]

assent to the conduct as soon as possible, in the occupied areas, of an internationally supervised census, which will comprehensively profile, inter alia, the nationality of persons residing there. The purpose of such a census is the determination of the size and composition of the population in the occupied part of Cyprus, including in particular the determination of persons entitled to citizenship in terms of Annex D of the Treaty of Establishment 1960.

In other words, the RoC government draws a clear distinction between what in this thread are referred to as the 'first wave' and 'second wave' of settlers.

Any laws concerning TCs passed by the roc since 1963 is like water being carried in a bucket full holes. It doesn’t hold water, Tim. It will have to be approved by the TCs.

I would hold your horses there. YFred, old mate. Let us look at article 67 concerning citizenship of the TRNC constitution:

http://www.kktcb.eu/upload/pdf/42698.pdf

(1) (a) 1960 Kıbrıs Cumhuriyeti Kuruluş Andlaşmasına bağlı "D" eki uyarınca Kıbrıs
Cumhuriyeti yurttaşlığını kazanan ve 15 Kasım 1983 tarihinde Kuzey Kıbrıs'ta yerleşik
bulunan
[...]
Kuzey Kıbrıs Türk Cumhuriyeti yurttaşıdır.

(1) (a) Everyone who by virtue of Annex "D" of the 1960 Republic of Cyprus Treaty of Establishment obtained citizenship of the Republic of Cyprus and was resident in the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus on 15 November 1983[...]
is a citizen of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.

As you see, the provisions of Annex D of the Treaty of Establishment are in fact accepted by Turkish Cypriots.

This point is irrelevant here. Those who argue that the Turkish occupation of Cyprus is illegal do so with reference to international law. The Treaty of Establishment, which forms part of the corpus of international law, provides that Turkish Cypriots who were resident on the island at the time the republic was established are citizens. International law does not work on a 'pick and mix' basis. You either accept or reject it. It is therefore logically impossible both to describe the Turkish ocupation as illegal and to describe those Turkish Cypriots who were granted citizenship in terms of Annex D of the Treaty of Establishment as 'settlers'.

Don't you dare go around spreading rumours that I have horses.

I thought everybody in Louroujina had at least a donkey, if not a horse.

My father used to have tractor 160 horsepower I think. We were not all at the stone age. You'll find the donkey situation was a GC speciality.