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[denizaksulu]

If the results of this survey so far are representative, then kiss goodbye to the prospect of a settlement.

Hi Tim.

I did not vote. The chances are that others may not have voted. I would never allow others to tell me what I am and how I feel.

I think at this point I will change my signature.

[YFred]

If the results of this survey so far are representative, then kiss goodbye to the prospect of a settlement.

No Tim, I refused to vote in any question posed by Sotos. He and the likes of him can sod off.

[zan]

If the results of this survey so far are representative, then kiss goodbye to the prospect of a settlement.

Tim,

You have ignored the day to day evidense that has been given you but are filled with dread on a poll on the CF....WTF

[Tim Drayton]

If the results of this survey so far are representative, then kiss goodbye to the prospect of a settlement.

Tim,

You have ignored the day to day evidense that has been given you but are filled with dread on a poll on the CF....WTF

Let's relax - we are talking about seven votes, all of whom I am assuming are GCs. I think and hope that these votes are not representative of the whole community. Actually the day to day evidence that I see in Cyprus suggests that ordinary Cypriots of all ethnic origins get on well together.

[zan]

If the results of this survey so far are representative, then kiss goodbye to the prospect of a settlement.

Tim,

You have ignored the day to day evidense that has been given you but are filled with dread on a poll on the CF....WTF

Let's relax - we are talking about seven votes, all of whom I am assuming are GCs. I think and hope that these votes are not representative of the whole community. Actually the day to day evidence that I see in Cyprus suggests that ordinary Cypriots of all ethnic origins get on well together.

Why are you mixing the Cypriot spirit with politics......The "RoC" still works along those lines and thinks that if it dangles a few trinkets in front of us that all TCs are stupid and will follow the light.....The EU thought the same also.....I will tell you guys right now......We will not give up our rights for a few morsels of instant gain which will see us bankrupt in the future.....

[Oracle]

Why does it come as such a surprise that Turkish Settlers are not considered as Cypriots?

International Law does not recognise them as such!

They are still the property and responsibility of Turkey. So are most TCs now.

The Cyprus problem will be solved when all Turks are repatriated back to their homes in Turkey so that our people can return to theirs.

The Settlers are part of the problem, not the solution. They have NOTHING to do with Cyprus' future other than they are here illegally.

[Oracle]

Cyprus Garoyian: Turkey must admit that influx of settlers is a war crime
September 22, 2009

Ankara must recognise that the influx of illegal settlers from Turkey to Cyprus’ northern occupied areas is a war crime, House President and Acting President of the Republic Marios Garoyian has stressed, pointing out that once this is acknowledged, Cyprus would be ready to discuss the possibility of Turkish settlers remaining in Cyprus, on humanitarian grounds.

Asked after signing the condolences book for the death of Cuban politician Juan Almeida Bosque, whether the issue of illegal settlers is still on the negotiating table, Garoyian said the objective is not to have settlers after the solution of the Cyprus problem.

“Turkey must, first of all, accept that illegal colonisation is a war crime and once this is done, we are ready to discuss – not accept – the stay of settlers on humanitarian grounds,” he stressed.

He said that this message has to be communicated abroad and the matter has to be pointed out at the current UN-led negotiations.

“We have to be firm in our positions and the messages we convey, to be effective in our effort to see pressure exerted on Turkey to relinquish its long-standing intransigent stance,” he added.

Replying to questions, Garoyian said “the President correctly reiterates issues of principle, that the key to a Cyprus settlement lies in Ankara and that is where pressure must be exerted and that the might of the powerful as well as illegality do not represent justice.”

The National Council (top advisory body to the President on the handling of the Cyprus question) said on Friday after a meeting which lasted for days that the settlement of the Cyprus problem must provide for the withdrawal of Turkish occupation troops and illegal settlers.



http://www.financialmirror.com/News/Cyp ... News/17470

[Tim Drayton]

From the Treaty of Establishment
16 August, 1960

ARTICLE 6 The arrangements concerning the nationality of persons affected by the establishment of the Republic of Cyprus shall be those contained in Annex D to this Treaty.

[AWE]

Cyprus Garoyian: Turkey must admit that influx of settlers is a war crime
September 22, 2009

Ankara must recognise that the influx of illegal settlers from Turkey to Cyprus’ northern occupied areas is a war crime, House President and Acting President of the Republic Marios Garoyian has stressed, pointing out that once this is acknowledged, Cyprus would be ready to discuss the possibility of Turkish settlers remaining in Cyprus, on humanitarian grounds.

Asked after signing the condolences book for the death of Cuban politician Juan Almeida Bosque, whether the issue of illegal settlers is still on the negotiating table, Garoyian said the objective is not to have settlers after the solution of the Cyprus problem.

“Turkey must, first of all, accept that illegal colonisation is a war crime and once this is done, we are ready to discuss – not accept – the stay of settlers on humanitarian grounds,” he stressed.

He said that this message has to be communicated abroad and the matter has to be pointed out at the current UN-led negotiations.

“We have to be firm in our positions and the messages we convey, to be effective in our effort to see pressure exerted on Turkey to relinquish its long-standing intransigent stance,” he added.

Replying to questions, Garoyian said “the President correctly reiterates issues of principle, that the key to a Cyprus settlement lies in Ankara and that is where pressure must be exerted and that the might of the powerful as well as illegality do not represent justice.”

The National Council (top advisory body to the President on the handling of the Cyprus question) said on Friday after a meeting which lasted for days that the settlement of the Cyprus problem must provide for the withdrawal of Turkish occupation troops and illegal settlers.



http://www.financialmirror.com/News/Cyp ... News/17470

Except if you happen to be Georgian.

[Tim Drayton]

From an official document emanating from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Cyprus:

http://news.pseka.net/uploads/img/docum ... tories.doc

In light of the above, the Republic of Cyprus expects that Turkey—which aspires to become a member of a Community of Law and Human Rights that is the EU—will immediately

[…]

assent to the conduct as soon as possible, in the occupied areas, of an internationally supervised census, which will comprehensively profile, inter alia, the nationality of persons residing there. The purpose of such a census is the determination of the size and composition of the population in the occupied part of Cyprus, including in particular the determination of persons entitled to citizenship in terms of Annex D of the Treaty of Establishment 1960.

In other words, the RoC government draws a clear distinction between what in this thread are referred to as the 'first wave' and 'second wave' of settlers.