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What Tassos Papadopoulos told Packard in March 1964

Postby Tim Drayton » Mon Sep 21, 2009 12:59 pm

Martin Packard in his book Getting It Wrong reports having a meeting with Tassos Papadopoulos in which the latter allegedly made some startling comments. I think that it is worth quoting from this section of the book (pages 227-230) at length.

In March 1964 Packard uncovered details of the murder of two isolated Turkish Cypriot families in the area north of Morphou. He was unable to get the local police to investigate these crimes:

The gendarmerie at Myrtou declined to take an interest, just as they had over the killing at Kolya Chiflik: crimes against Turkish Cypriots were no longer regarded by them as being within their area of competence.


He therefore took the matter far higher, and reports having the following discussion with Tassos Papadopoulos about the matter:

At Tassos Papadopoulos’ request, I attended a meeting with him and two other ministers. He said: “We’re grateful to you for bringing this matter directly to us rather than letting it be handled through JFHQ. The President is deeply upset. We thought we were sufficiently in control for these incidents to have ended and we are shocked to find that we were wrong. We want you to understand the difficulty in which we now find ourselves. We have got ourselves into a position from which we are unable to do what should be done. You know and we know who’s responsible for an appalling crime. They ought to be brought to justice, but that isn’t going to happen.”

Papadopoulos said that since Christmas the situation had been, to say the least, ‘anomalous’. “We needed to revise the constitution so as to allow a normal democratic working of the state. We were encouraged in this by Arthur Clark, which we took to mean that we had British backing. The Turks were arming to oppose the revision by force. We created a force to defend ourselves against an armed Turkish reaction. There was provocation, followed by violence. Makarios and Kutchuk agreed that normal order must be re-established, but that wasn’t achieved. In legal terms, we now regard the paramilitary Turkish Cypriot leadership and TMT as being in insurrection against the state.”

“As you know, we are now committed to a policy of re-engagement and a new approach to communal relations. Privately the President has accepted that it will be better to agree together on a movement by the Turkish Cypriots out of mixed areas where there is friction into areas where they will feel more secure. You have a part to play in that because we need objective assessments and a channel of communication that we can trust.

“We agreed after Christmas with Duncan Sandys and Peter Young on ways to avoid further bloodshed, but these have been exploited by Kutchuk and the Denktash people to start a process of partition, using the ‘Green Line’ and British troops as cover. It’s intensely galling for our police that they cannot now enter some areas controlled by the Turks without running the risk of serious armed clashes.

“At Christmas, groups emerged which wanted to fight for the Greek cause, and particularly for our right not to be blocked from enosis. These fighters have acquired the status of heroes and a position stronger than we have as politicians. We’ve tried to incorporate all of these fighting groups into what will become a National Guard, but some units and some individuals are still determined to pursue their own agenda, irrespective of national policy. This has created a very dangerous situation for us.2

“Now let us discuss what happened at Liveras and Kolya Chiflik. This was entirely against our wishes and very damaging to our aims. Properly those who did it should be arrested and tried for murder. But we’re talking about men who a lot of our people, particularly the right wing, regard as heroes. Trying to bring them to public trial now could lead to civil war and a much worse situation than we already have.

“The only alternative we can see is for a secret drumhead court-martial with powers of capital punishment. This is how it would have been dealt with during the EOKA struggle. But now all of us here, whether or not we used to be part of EOKA, are politicians, with hopes to lead the country in the future. No politician could survive who was found to have been involved in the summary execution of someone who could later be presented to half the nation as a hero. So we find ourselves trapped by circumstances that are deeply repugnant to us.”

I said: “You have a heavily armed police force that’s already been involved in plenty of shooting against Turkish Cypriots. Can’t they handle it?”

I was told: “No they can’t, or won’t, and you surely know why.”

Later that evening, Tassos Papadopoulos took me to dinner at Lemonias and we talked more about the problems of controlling violence and how deeply it was rooted in some elements of Greek society. I told him that since I first went there, I had been aware in Greece of the rifts created by the civil war. I repeated to him what Dom Mintoff had told me about Ben Bella’s difficulty in dealing with political violence after the Algerians’ underground war against the French, and of my understanding that the violence inherent in an anti-colonial struggle could not easily or rapidly be expunged from the new nation that emerged. In particular I talked about the way that western intelligence agencies, which saw the eastern Mediterranean as a special battleground in their Cold War against the supposed threats of communism, were encouraging nationalist factions to use violence against the left.

I told him about an incident in 1963 when I had visited Athens as an official observer for NATO exercises and, as Intelligence Adviser to COMEDSOUEAST, had been looked after for one day by resident US intelligence agencies. To demonstrate one facet of their undercover mission, I had been taken to a training camp in the north of the city where American instructors were indoctrinating Greek gendarmes in modern methods of interrogation, torture and killing. They were teaching that communists were sub-human, that they had forfeited their civil rights and that they should be exterminated like vermin. The pupils were being schooled in the use of extreme violence against communists as a weapon against the spread of left-wing dogma. I was shown some pigs with KKE (Communist Party of Greece) emblems on their backs and told with some pride by the instructor that his trainees would be told to kill these as viciously as possible, visualising them as ‘commies who had raped their sisters’.

I said that, from what Nicos Sampson and others had told me, there appeared to be a deep involvement by Greek intelligence agencies in the encouragement of violent action against Turkish Cypriot militants and I asked to what degree this was cover for action against the Cypriot left.

Rather than respond directly, Papadopoulos asked me what impression I had gained of the left in Cyprus. I said that left-wingers I had met seemed to be first of all nationalists and anti-colonialists, like left-wingers that I knew in Malta and militant socialists in the UK. But that was not how they were being portrayed by NATO. They clearly were much more committed than the right to the creation of a multi-ethnic society, and consequently more helpful to the process of communal re-engagement. Obviously, also, they were a prime target for subversion and disinformation by western intelligence agencies, and particularly by the Greek and Turkish Cypriot surrogates of those agencies.

I realised that the party expressed general allegiance to Moscow, but I had not yet met a communist in Cyprus who had seemed other than primarily a Cypriot. It obviously simplified things for NATO to label them as dangerous men who were threatening the stability of the Mediterranean. I suppose that a left-leaning Cyprus would be just as intolerable for the establishment in Athens as it would be for Ankara and for the British and Americans.

I was asked to keep entirely private what I was to be told. It was explained that political polarisation meant huge problems for the President and for other moderate leaders (among whose number the speaker clearly felt himself to be included): it forced them into a constant balancing act. Then there was a reversion to what had happened at Liveras. I was told that the only solution they could see was to accept a return to Cyprus by Grivas and give him the job of clearing up the whole problem of uncontrolled violence from Greek Cypriot extremism.

Girvas, he said, was a disciplinarian par excellence. He would without any compunction court-martial and execute anyone who was betraying what he saw as the cause of Hellenism. The problems were that he was now so fanatically anti-leftist as to be frequently irrational on political issues and that it was doubtful how loyal he would be to Makarios. Nevertheless they were confident that if Grivas was brought back, Makarios and the moderates would be able to control him and that he would not pose a threat to the process of inter-communal re-engagement.

He said that Georgadjis therefore had been authorised to arrange for Grivas to return covertly to Cyprus.3

The significance for me of what had happened at Liveras and Kolya Chiflik was not just that isolated and unprotected Turkish Cypriots had been murdered without provocation at a time when there was a significant peacekeeping presence in the immediate area: that could have been the act of a homicidal maniac triggered by something other than ethnic prejudice. More disturbing was that no mechanism existed that would undertake to investigate and act upon the crime, that there was no element of the police force that felt it had responsibility for the Turkish Cypriots, even when urged by Makarios to act without discrimination. In the eyes of many of the police, the Turkish Cypriots had at Christmas become non-people, excluded from any recourse to the process of justice or of the safeguarding of their human rights. Only now were we beginning to get an acceptance from some gendarmerie units that the future was likely to depend on their regaining the trust of the Turkish Cypriots. Where this concept had been adopted, there had been very rapid progress towards inter-communal re-engagement.

By the time I had confirmation of what had happened at Liveras, it was already twenty days after the killings. I discussed the position with Kutchuk, told him of Makarios’ distress and got his agreement that the event was entirely contrary to the general trend in the area and ought to be treated as a one-of aberration. Kutchuk appeared determined that the Turkish Cypriots should not abandon Ayia Irini. In general he had been strongly supportive of the patrol’s efforts and of the process, urged by Tassos Papadopoulos, to establish through me an unofficial, wholly private and conciliatory back-channel to the President. I took it to be because of this that the Turkish press, which could have been expected to use the incident in the most inflammatory manner possible, carried only a minor report that the family had disappeared.

FOOTNOTES

1 Similar difficulty was faced in other states, such as Algeria, where independence, or liberation from foreign occupation or dictatorship, followed an armed struggle and where post-independence leadership, needing to implement centrist policies, found itself in conflict with former militants who felt their struggle had been betrayed.

2 Alternatively, the story given me could have been designed to put a more flattering spin on a fait accompli, in which the return of Grivas had been imposed by Athens with CIA encouragement.
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Postby zan » Mon Sep 21, 2009 1:28 pm

Which can only make me ask more into how Makarios really died? 8)
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Postby insan » Mon Sep 21, 2009 2:38 pm

Papadopoulos speeches should be analyzed according to Akritas Plan. How do we know how honest he was with his above speeches and his actual aim was not to create adorable impressions in minds of 3rd parties. We need to investigate his actions between the years 1960-1964. Actions speak louder than the words...
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Postby Paphitis » Mon Sep 21, 2009 2:53 pm

insan wrote:Papadopoulos speeches should be analyzed according to Akritas Plan. How do we know how honest he was with his above speeches and his actual aim was not to create adorable impressions in minds of 3rd parties. We need to investigate his actions between the years 1960-1964. Actions speak louder than the words...


It is a well known fact that Makarios and Tassos Pappadopoulos were very much moderate men who were hell bent on reengaging the TC community by more peaceful means.

However, the TMT attacks on Cyprus Police passing through certain areas such as Kophinou, did not help the situation at all, and so the violence between the TMT and Cypriot para military groups escalated.
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Postby Nikitas » Mon Sep 21, 2009 2:58 pm

"visualising them as ‘commies who had raped their sisters’. "

This very phrase was used by mainland Greek officers in the training of Cypriot national guardsmen in the 70s.

I have posted before about the overriding anticommunist attitude of Greek officers, and how they perceived their role in Cyprus as a bulwark against communism and NOT as a means towards Enosis. Some people reacted, falling back on their "megali idea" mantra.

But facts are facts. Greek officers who served in Cyprus were veterans of the Greek civil war, which left 600 000 dead and later in "pacified" Greece with its borders with three communist countries. Fighting communism was their holy grail, and it was totally incomprehensible to Cypriots who had no comparable experience and who lived in a country where the communist party was legal.

Makarios and his politicians were squeezed in a vise and the above excerpt proves the force of this vise.

The posted text also shows that there was no plan by the political elite to exterminate the TCs. In fact it shows that the GC elite, along with the TC elite reprsented by Kutchuk, found themselves unable to face the gangs organized and financed by outsiders. By 1964 both sides political elite had lost the game. The winners were peasant boys with guns.

The GC side matured after 1974 in the sense that it managed to quash its armed gangs and establish a normal civil society. Now it is the turn of the TCs to do the same.

As for Makarios' death, there is no doubt that he died of a heart attack. It is a wonder that he survived the stress of his job on top of the privations of a monk's life for as long as he did.
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Postby Nikitas » Mon Sep 21, 2009 3:06 pm

Insan, the text posted by Tim is not of speeches by Papadopoulos, they are confidential conversations between men who trusted each other and were trying to conclude a deal.
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Postby insan » Mon Sep 21, 2009 3:33 pm

Nikitas wrote:Insan, the text posted by Tim is not of speeches by Papadopoulos, they are confidential conversations between men who trusted each other and were trying to conclude a deal.


I didn't say they were public speeches of TPap,I'm aware of that it was a conversation between Pakard and TPap. :wink:
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Postby Tim Drayton » Mon Sep 21, 2009 3:38 pm

insan wrote:
Nikitas wrote:Insan, the text posted by Tim is not of speeches by Papadopoulos, they are confidential conversations between men who trusted each other and were trying to conclude a deal.


I didn't say they were public speeches of TPap,I'm aware of that it was a conversation between Pakard and TPap. :wink:


Of course, we only have Packard's word for it that this conversation took place, and that his recollection of what was said is correct.
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Postby Lit » Mon Sep 21, 2009 3:45 pm

Obituary of Tassos Papadopoulos written by Spain's foreign minister, Miguel Angel Moratinos who, as the EU's special representative for the Middle East between 1996 and 2003 had a base in Cyprus, where he got to know the island's issues and players well:

By Miguel Angel Moratinos is Minister of Foreign Affairs and

Co-operation of Spain

Tassos Papadopoulos, former President of the Republic of Cyprus, died last Friday in Nicosia. I met him soon after he became President, when I was still European Union Special Representative for the Middle East Peace Process. My wife knew his wife and family well. He was a Levantine personality characteristic of the generation of Cypriots that, inspired by independence for their island, defended a legitimate nationalism against the British presence there.





I am writing these few lines, not only out of friendship for a great Cypriot patriot, but also seeking to eradicate the false image of him presented in Europe and the West as somebody

who was stubborn and maximalist, who blocked a definitive solution to the Cyprus problem. Tassos Papadopoulos was an excellent personification of the Cypriot character; he was a staunch Hellenist, but educated in the strictest British tradition, which led him to become one of the most brilliant lawyers in Cyprus. His legal knowledge was always to the forefront when analysis was needed of any proposed solution to the dispute.



He became Head of State of Cyprus at a very hopeful time for his country, after the excellent negotiation process carried out by the previous governmental team, which led to Cyprus joining the European Union. All seemed well on course for all the ambitions of the Cypriots to be fulfilled.



Much has been written and said about the attitude of President Papadopoulos during the negotiations and about the referendum by which the Annan Plan was rejected, but what is inescapable is that the vast majority of Greek Cypriots did not accept it.



Few Western leaders read all the fine details of this plan, and as has occurred in other international negotiations, the course of least resistance was adopted, namely that of pointing to a scapegoat, somebody held to be responsible - in this case, the President of Cyprus - rather than continuing negotiations, searching for a solution that would be acceptable to all parties. This does not invalidate the effort made by the Turkish Cypriots in the process, but all of us who have ample experience in the international arena, and especially in the area of the eastern Mediterranean, are well aware that any negotiating position can be improved and that what is important is to enjoy popular support.



I witnessed how President Papadopoulos made political ground within the EU itself and how his position and his arguments made themselves better understood. During this time, as the Spanish Foreign Minister, I had many opportunities to work with him and to exchange viewpoints, with the aim of reaching a definitive solution to the Cyprus problem. I can corroborate that this was his real passion, and despite diverse viewpoints, it was apparent that he was prepared to negotiate in good faith with the other side in order to reach a final agreement. He trusted in Spain and in our diplomacy, thanks to our good relations with Turkey, and on several occasions we were able to help resolve sensitive issues.



He admired modern, democratic Spain, and its Mediterranean vocation. He believed that young Cypriots could be better acquainted with the Spanish language and that students could study at universities in our country, in order to vary the current tendency to attend Greek or British universities.



He stood for re-election at the last elections, and was convinced he would win, but his good friend and political partner Dimitris Christofias, received greater support from the voters. The last time we met was in Beijing, on the occasion of the inauguration ofthe Olympic Games last August. Subsequently we spoke on the telephoneon several occasions. His deep, throaty voice - caused by a lifelong tobacco habit - did not conceal his perfect command of English.

He never ceased to encourage me to assist the present Government of PresidentChristofias in achieving the long-desired reunification of the island.



He understood his people very well and I know he wished to resolve the Cypriot question, to achieve a definitive reconciliation with the modern, dynamic European Turkey, which is so close to this island-continent, ass ome have termed Cyprus.



Today, Tassos, you will receive the acknowledgement of all your people, to which I add my own and of Spain, another Mediterranean country.

http://www.greekamericannewsagency.com/ ... &Itemid=83
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Postby insan » Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:26 pm

“At Christmas, groups emerged which wanted to fight for the Greek cause, and particularly for our right not to be blocked from enosis. These fighters have acquired the status of heroes and a position stronger than we have as politicians. We’ve tried to incorporate all of these fighting groups into what will become a National Guard, but some units and some individuals are still determined to pursue their own agenda, irrespective of national policy. This has created a very dangerous situation for us.2

“Now let us discuss what happened at Liveras and Kolya Chiflik. This was entirely against our wishes and very damaging to our aims. Properly those who did it should be arrested and tried for murder. But we’re talking about men who a lot of our people, particularly the right wing, regard as heroes. Trying to bring them to public trial now could lead to civil war and a much worse situation than we already have.

“The only alternative we can see is for a secret drumhead court-martial with powers of capital punishment. This is how it would have been dealt with during the EOKA struggle. But now all of us here, whether or not we used to be part of EOKA, are politicians, with hopes to lead the country in the future. No politician could survive who was found to have been involved in the summary execution of someone who could later be presented to half the nation as a hero. So we find ourselves trapped by circumstances that are deeply repugnant to us.”

I said: “You have a heavily armed police force that’s already been involved in plenty of shooting against Turkish Cypriots. Can’t they handle it?”

I was told: “No they can’t, or won’t, and you surely know why.”



Packard surely knew why? Why? They were untouchable "heroes"? Touching them would have led a civil war amongst GCs? What abt avoid touching them? Would have led slaughter of TCs? Who cares?

Instead of a civil war amongst GCs, let the TCs being slaughtered by untouchable GC "heroes".

Wasn't that the time a cartoonist illisturated Makarios sitting on a chair among many deads and defending himself, "But gentleman, the problem is settling itself..."?



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