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[Piratis]

Insan, the inter-communal conflict was started by the TCs in the 1950s when the collaborated with the foreign imperialists and attacked the GCs. So stop trying to present yourselves as the innocent victims when in fact you are the aggressors.

If you had accepted democracy and the legitimate rights of the Cypriot people then a conflict would never start. And if at any point you recognized your mistake and accepted democracy, then the conflict would end. But from the 1950s until today you continue to insist on gaining on our expense and you are willing to collaborate with foreign Imperialists and use brute force in order to get what you want. So how can you blame us for the conflict when it is all your fault?

[YFred]

“At Christmas, groups emerged which wanted to fight for the Greek cause, and particularly for our right not to be blocked from enosis. These fighters have acquired the status of heroes and a position stronger than we have as politicians. We’ve tried to incorporate all of these fighting groups into what will become a National Guard, but some units and some individuals are still determined to pursue their own agenda, irrespective of national policy. This has created a very dangerous situation for us.2

“Now let us discuss what happened at Liveras and Kolya Chiflik. This was entirely against our wishes and very damaging to our aims. Properly those who did it should be arrested and tried for murder. But we’re talking about men who a lot of our people, particularly the right wing, regard as heroes. Trying to bring them to public trial now could lead to civil war and a much worse situation than we already have.

“The only alternative we can see is for a secret drumhead court-martial with powers of capital punishment. This is how it would have been dealt with during the EOKA struggle. But now all of us here, whether or not we used to be part of EOKA, are politicians, with hopes to lead the country in the future. No politician could survive who was found to have been involved in the summary execution of someone who could later be presented to half the nation as a hero. So we find ourselves trapped by circumstances that are deeply repugnant to us.”

I said: “You have a heavily armed police force that’s already been involved in plenty of shooting against Turkish Cypriots. Can’t they handle it?”

I was told: “No they can’t, or won’t, and you surely know why.”

Packard surely knew why? Why? They were untouchable "heroes"? Touching them would have led a civil war amongst GCs? What abt avoid touching them? Would have led slaughter of TCs? Who cares?

Instead of a civil war amongst GCs, let the TCs being slaughtered by untouchable GC "heroes".

Wasn't that the time a cartoonist illisturated Makarios sitting on a chair among many deads and defending himself, "But gentleman, the problem is settling itself..."?

So now it’s out. The legally recognised government of Cyprus was acting in a certain illegal way towards TC. Unable to take action against murders despite the fact that they were known. The only question remains is how sincere was TPap when he claimed that he had no control of these people. Somewhere in their archives exists the real truth if they will ever allow it to come out. I don't believe for one moment that they had no control; I believe they actively encouraged such behaviour to push the TCs into enclaves. Sooner or later we will find out.
Another question that springs to mind was who was Eoka leader in Omorfo that could have ordered the killings of innocent TCs? Would the relative of the guilty stand up to answer for what his relatives did?


Has that atitude actually changed to this day? we must ask ourselves.

[Piratis]

YFred, do you support equality of all citizens without racist discrimination, where everybody has the same rights and the same responsibilities in a democratic system where each citizen has one vote regardless of his race or ethnicity?

All the problems in Cyprus were created because TCs rejected the above. You wanted racist discrimination, so you got racist discrimination. What is our fault for giving to you what you asked for?

[Viewpoint]

YFred, do you support equality of all citizens without racist discrimination, where everybody has the same rights and the same responsibilities in a democratic system where each citizen has one vote regardless of his race or ethnicity?

All the problems in Cyprus were created because TCs rejected the above. You wanted racist discrimination, so you got racist discrimination. What is our fault for giving to you what you asked for?

Its not the knife we object to but the surgeon with blood all over his hands and a bad track record in operating on TCs.

[Nikitas]

" I don't believe for one moment that they had no control; "

Do you then believe that Dr Kutchuk had full control of the TMT and he also was lying to Packard when he said he could not control TC irregulars?

[YFred]

YFred, do you support equality of all citizens without racist discrimination, where everybody has the same rights and the same responsibilities in a democratic system where each citizen has one vote regardless of his race or ethnicity?

All the problems in Cyprus were created because TCs rejected the above. You wanted racist discrimination, so you got racist discrimination. What is our fault for giving to you what you asked for?

If your idea of living together is TCs can be murdered and the police do nothing about it, and probaply worse than that they actually take part in the deed, I think you'll find that most TCs will not wish to live with such civilised people. But you see I don't buy this idea that Makarios and TPapa had no power to stop it or persue justice. There is only one way to do this and that is to open all government archives to see the real events. Who said what and did what. Then we can come to judgement as to what we would like to do.
In the meantime I hold the RoC responsible for every single TC that has been murdered since 1960.

[Get Real!]

YFred, do you support equality of all citizens without racist discrimination, where everybody has the same rights and the same responsibilities in a democratic system where each citizen has one vote regardless of his race or ethnicity?

All the problems in Cyprus were created because TCs rejected the above. You wanted racist discrimination, so you got racist discrimination. What is our fault for giving to you what you asked for?

If your idea of living together is TCs can be murdered and the police do nothing about it,...

Instead of answering the question you’re being asked, you’re manufacturing the question in your mind to match the “answer” you want to post!

How do you justify this shortcoming of yours Y-Fronts?

[YFred]

YFred, do you support equality of all citizens without racist discrimination, where everybody has the same rights and the same responsibilities in a democratic system where each citizen has one vote regardless of his race or ethnicity?

All the problems in Cyprus were created because TCs rejected the above. You wanted racist discrimination, so you got racist discrimination. What is our fault for giving to you what you asked for?

If your idea of living together is TCs can be murdered and the police do nothing about it,...

Instead of answering the question you’re being asked, you’re manufacturing the question in your mind to match the “answer” you want to post!

How do you justify this shortcoming of yours Y-Fronts?

You must not do the same not answering my concerns. My concern is far more real than his imaginary concern that just because the TCs were given power to protect themselves and their interests in the new RoC constitution that somehow that gives the GCs an excuse to annihilate them. Well you are welcome to try any time you like old boy.

[Get Real!]

YFred, do you support equality of all citizens without racist discrimination, where everybody has the same rights and the same responsibilities in a democratic system where each citizen has one vote regardless of his race or ethnicity?

All the problems in Cyprus were created because TCs rejected the above. You wanted racist discrimination, so you got racist discrimination. What is our fault for giving to you what you asked for?

If your idea of living together is TCs can be murdered and the police do nothing about it,...

Instead of answering the question you’re being asked, you’re manufacturing the question in your mind to match the “answer” you want to post!

How do you justify this shortcoming of yours Y-Fronts?

You must not do the same not answering my concerns. My concern is far more real than his imaginary concern that just because the TCs were given power to protect themselves and their interests in the new RoC constitution that somehow that gives the GCs an excuse to annihilate them. Well you are welcome to try any time you like old boy.

He's done it again!

[YFred]

YFred, do you support equality of all citizens without racist discrimination, where everybody has the same rights and the same responsibilities in a democratic system where each citizen has one vote regardless of his race or ethnicity?

All the problems in Cyprus were created because TCs rejected the above. You wanted racist discrimination, so you got racist discrimination. What is our fault for giving to you what you asked for?

If your idea of living together is TCs can be murdered and the police do nothing about it,...

Instead of answering the question you’re being asked, you’re manufacturing the question in your mind to match the “answer” you want to post!

How do you justify this shortcoming of yours Y-Fronts?

You must not do the same not answering my concerns. My concern is far more real than his imaginary concern that just because the TCs were given power to protect themselves and their interests in the new RoC constitution that somehow that gives the GCs an excuse to annihilate them. Well you are welcome to try any time you like old boy.

He's done it again!

Stop copying