Cyprus-Forum.com

[bill cobbett]

The bottom lineS for me are that the West is the Best, and the Western Democracies are CY's natural allies. If CY is able to accomodate western defence interests, then it should do so, but CY must have some benefit in kind in return.

As to the SBA's - a leftover of the Illegal Colonisation Age so their presence is therefore illegal and something which must be corrected in time.

[Oracle]

Interesting addition for the SBAs to go ....

Did you add the bit about the SBAs yourself?

I seriously doubt that the RoC has the balls to come up with something like that....can you give us the link?

It's right there in the National Council conclusions ...

http://www.isria.com/pages/21_September_2009_101.php

Thanks for that...very surprising statement about the SBAs, especially at this time.

I would have thought that the RoC would have kept this under wraps.....

Why should they keep it under wraps? The SBA's are at odds with the EU ethos/equality. Why should Britain have preferential treatment to keep its soldiers in bases here in Cyprus?

They should keep it under wraps, because the prime objective at the moment is to get the Turks out, and if I'm not mistaken, one of the prime reasons why Cyprus is partitioned to begin with, is due to US/UK strategic interests in the area.

Get the Turks out, and then focus on the SBAs, otherwise we are setting ourselves up for major disappointment, because US interests will just keep the Turks in Cyprus forever....

Have a read about Echelon and what this means to NATO and other interested parties:

http://www.fas.org/irp/program/process/echelon.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echelon_%2 ... ligence%29

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/ECHELON

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics ... 8Cyprus%29

If you play with fire, you will just get your fingers burned AGAIN....

Just common sense Oracle...

They (inter alia) are who got us in this mess in the first place ... so why should we carry on dancing to their fiddle?

It's to the EU we should be looking and this meeting was prepared with that in mind.

If we can bring in the Germans and French (+) without the exclusive control Britain enjoys, then we stand a chance to fight off the Turks.

I don't think you have much choice in the matter, and as stated by BillC, it is very bad timing and you don't want countries such as US, UK, Australia, Canada, NZ and even NATO jumping on the Turkish bandwagon (any more than they already are) because they will ALL sell you out in a flash when it comes to their own strategic interests and goals.

All those countries are benefiting from some British Bases?

Britain can't afford to maintain them. They are out-dated and superseded for surveillance. The British soldiers are rapidly being killed off in the many countries they keep invading to bring peace ...

Britain needs a way out from these ancient millstones round its neck ...

[Paphitis]

The bottom lineS for me are that the West is the Best, and the Western Democracies are CY's natural allies. If CY is able to accomodate western defence interests, then it should do so, but CY must have some benefit in kind in return.

As to the SBA's - a leftover of the Illegal Colonisation Age so their presence is therefore illegal and something which must be corrected in time.

There is a time and place for that, if that is what Cypriots desire....

Or, the SBAs could become a bargaining chip for assistance by these interested (ECHELON) parties to pressure Turkey to withdraw from Cyprus....

[Paphitis]

Interesting addition for the SBAs to go ....

Did you add the bit about the SBAs yourself?

I seriously doubt that the RoC has the balls to come up with something like that....can you give us the link?

It's right there in the National Council conclusions ...

http://www.isria.com/pages/21_September_2009_101.php

Thanks for that...very surprising statement about the SBAs, especially at this time.

I would have thought that the RoC would have kept this under wraps.....

Why should they keep it under wraps? The SBA's are at odds with the EU ethos/equality. Why should Britain have preferential treatment to keep its soldiers in bases here in Cyprus?

They should keep it under wraps, because the prime objective at the moment is to get the Turks out, and if I'm not mistaken, one of the prime reasons why Cyprus is partitioned to begin with, is due to US/UK strategic interests in the area.

Get the Turks out, and then focus on the SBAs, otherwise we are setting ourselves up for major disappointment, because US interests will just keep the Turks in Cyprus forever....

Have a read about Echelon and what this means to NATO and other interested parties:

http://www.fas.org/irp/program/process/echelon.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echelon_%2 ... ligence%29

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/ECHELON

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics ... 8Cyprus%29

If you play with fire, you will just get your fingers burned AGAIN....

Just common sense Oracle...

They (inter alia) are who got us in this mess in the first place ... so why should we carry on dancing to their fiddle?

It's to the EU we should be looking and this meeting was prepared with that in mind.

If we can bring in the Germans and French (+) without the exclusive control Britain enjoys, then we stand a chance to fight off the Turks.

I don't think you have much choice in the matter, and as stated by BillC, it is very bad timing and you don't want countries such as US, UK, Australia, Canada, NZ and even NATO jumping on the Turkish bandwagon (any more than they already are) because they will ALL sell you out in a flash when it comes to their own strategic interests and goals.

All those countries are benefiting from some British Bases?

Britain can't afford to maintain them. They are out-dated and superseded for surveillance. The British soldiers are rapidly being killed off in the many countries they keep invading to bring peace ...

Britain needs a way out from these ancient millstones round its neck ...

Don't worry about Britain not affording to keep them because I think you will find that Britain is not the only country paying BIG money to keep them...

Even if Britain goes bankrupt, other countries will foot the bill...and these countries have plenty of cash to burn...

[insan]

Interesting addition for the SBAs to go ....

Did you add the bit about the SBAs yourself?

I seriously doubt that the RoC has the balls to come up with something like that....can you give us the link?

It's right there in the National Council conclusions ...

http://www.isria.com/pages/21_September_2009_101.php

Thanks for that...very surprising statement about the SBAs, especially at this time.

I would have thought that the RoC would have kept this under wraps.....

In the absence of chief of Akritas aka Pafidi they forgot to make 2 versions of the summary of GC NC meeting. The issue regarding the withdrawal of SBAs should be kept as a secret in original version.

Or do they want partition of Cyprus?

[vaughanwilliams]

A deal is a deal. If you don't know that by now, you soon will. While you try to renage on deals, the TCs will rumble you every time. If you try to shaft the SBAs, who says you won't try to shaft the TCs later on?

[bill cobbett]

A deal is a deal. If you don't know that by now, you soon will. While you try to renage on deals, the TCs will rumble you every time. If you try to shaft the SBAs, who says you won't try to shaft the TCs later on?

Oh really?

Part of the "deal" that set up the SBAs was that GB would make over annual sums of money.

That money has not been forthcoming since 1964!

GB is in arrears to the tune of tens, and perhaps hundreds, of millions of Euros. No Money, Deal Off.

GB has been breaking the "deal" for 45 years during which time it has been Illegally Squatting on the "bases"

You're the ones who have been found out mate, so on yer bike! Back to Tnucland wih your tail between your legs.

[Paphitis]

A deal is a deal. If you don't know that by now, you soon will. While you try to renage on deals, the TCs will rumble you every time. If you try to shaft the SBAs, who says you won't try to shaft the TCs later on?

Oh really?

Part of the "deal" that set up the SBAs was that GB would make over annual sums of money.

That money has not been forthcoming since 1964!

GB is in arrears to the tune of tens, and perhaps hundreds, of millions of Euros. No Money, Deal Off.

GB has been breaking the "deal" for 45 years during which time it has been Illegally Squatting on the "bases"

You're the ones who have been found out mate, so on yer bike! Back to Tnucland wih your tail between your legs.

We can also add that Britain has agreed to protect and guarantee the sovereignty and territorial integrity of The Republic of Cyprus...

To date, they have clearly not been doing a very good job of upholding that end of the bargain either...

Britain is in breach of contract....

[vaughanwilliams]

What's a bit of back rent between friends? You owe the UK at least that much for stopping the Turks from pushing you into the sea in 1974.

[insan]

What's a bit of back rent between friends? You owe the UK at least that much for stopping the Turks from pushing you into the sea in 1974.

Ermm... when did this happen, Sir? Any creddible source regarding this event?