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[suetoniuspaulinus]

Don't feel too guilty though, we GCs take pleasure in our own "settlers/slave workers" from the Philippines, Sri Lanka etc., just as much as you do with the poor people from Turkey ..

Alex, you are right. The behavior of many Gcs towards these workers is unacceptable.
But there's a difference, the goverment doesn't baptise them "Cypriot citizens" unlike the puppet state.

Ms RAFAELLA

Had they been TC Citizens they would not be leaving

[turkcyp]

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[RAFAELLA]

Don't feel too guilty though, we GCs take pleasure in our own "settlers/slave workers" from the Philippines, Sri Lanka etc., just as much as you do with the poor people from Turkey ..

Alex, you are right. The behavior of many Gcs towards these workers is unacceptable.
But there's a difference, the goverment doesn't baptise them "Cypriot citizens" unlike the puppet state.

Ms RAFAELLA

Had they been TC Citizens they would not be leaving

Wrong
I was not refering to this particular group that's going back to Tr.
I was refering to all those settlers that came to CyR occupied areas as workers years ago, and later on they became Cypriots.

[Alexandros Lordos]

Alexandros Lordos

Do you see now that we really are one nation, not two?

Do you really believe this even after 31 years??? Can you please say why???

We've been apart for 31 years, and together for 403 (counting from 1571). You can't wipe out 400 years of common history - and a largely shared culture - in just a few decades of separation. I personally feel I have much more in common with all other Cypriots - whether GCs or TCs - than I do with mainlanders from either Greece or Turkey.

[Alexandros Lordos]

Don't feel too guilty though, we GCs take pleasure in our own "settlers/slave workers" from the Philippines, Sri Lanka etc., just as much as you do with the poor people from Turkey ..

Alex, you are right. The behavior of many Gcs towards these workers is unacceptable.
But there's a difference, the goverment doesn't baptise them "Cypriot citizens" unlike the puppet state.

Yes, workers of the GCs are given five-year work permits, after which time they are required to leave and be replaced with other workers. The only reason for the five year cap is so as to avoid giving out new citizenships, a sensible approach in my view.

But I find what Cannedmoose is saying interesting also - will all this change now through EU membership? I personally don't understand the legalities of the issue.

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Alexandros Lordos

I personally feel I have much more in common with all other Cypriots - whether GCs or TCs - than I do with mainlanders from either Greece or Turkey.

Find it difficult to agree with you there Alex has I do not really know GCs not having ever lived with them for the last 31 years, we may have shared a history together but we have shared nothing for the past 31 years which imo is more important, maybe if we unite then we would rediscover that we have a lot in common. Do you think mentally we are similar???

[Alexandros Lordos]

Alexandros Lordos

I personally feel I have much more in common with all other Cypriots - whether GCs or TCs - than I do with mainlanders from either Greece or Turkey.

Find it difficult to agree with you there Alex has I do not really know GCs not having ever lived with them for the last 31 years, we may have shared a history together but we have shared nothing for the past 31 years which imo is more important, maybe if we unite then we would rediscover that we have a lot in common. Do you think mentally we are similar???

I meet characters from both communities on an almost daily basis now, and I am beginning to see many similarities, both in the kinds of virtues that Cypriots typically have, and in the kind of vices they have.

For instance on a political level, GC and TC leaders use the same kind of tricks and ploys when they want to antagonise the other community. First it is the GCs trying to discredit the TCs internationally, then it is the TCs trying to discredit the GCs internationally. First the GCs accuse the TCs of wanting a solution outside of agreed parameters, then the TCs accuse the GCs of exactly the same thing. We use exactly the same tricks in order to destroy hope, and in this, paradoxically, I see how similar we are.

On a personal rather than political level, I see an equivalent picture: Most average Cypriots - whether GC or TC - are characterised by hospitality, flexibility and simplicity. Most Cypriots are well-educated, cosmopolitan to a degree, savvy in business and ... effective in exploiting their workers. Most Cypriots have a sense of honour and dignity, while at the same time they are willing to violate that sense of honour in a hidden and hypocritical manner if they smell the possibility for profit, glory or pleasure. In all these ways, good and bad, we are similar.

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Alexandros Lordos I still have my doubts maybe this stems from not mixing with GCs and a regular basis for most of my adult life.

Another issue I wanted to ask you, is why do you feel TCs are paranoid about not living with GCs to a degree that GCs desire, what makes the difference between us??? I know we have baggage we cannot forget but whenever but still that barrier is very evident amongst TCs.

[RAFAELLA]

This is how much you know about Cyprus.

Who told you that these people are Cypriot citizens. If they were they would not be sent away.

...and who told you that I was refering to those 10.000 illegal workers/settlers?
I was refering to all those thousands of illegal workers/settlers that were shiped from Tr and from one day to another they became "TRNC" citizens.

Majority of the mainland Turkish citizens that GCs count as settler are not TRNC citizen and will be forced to move back in case of any settlement.

If they are not settlers, what are they?...extraterrestrials?
Have a look at Alfons Cucó's report on the colonization of the occupied areas.

Since, as you claim, they are not "TRNC" citizens, why do have the right to "vote" in every "election"?

[turkcyp]

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