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[insan]

Who was that issued by Paphitis???

Don't you have a counter argument? Have we hit a grey area?

That is my counter argument.......Didn't need much more.....

So you have nothing to say...You know full well hat the above is true, and from an unbiased source, and now you have nothing to say because you just can't counter a damn thing....

That is a state report re Pufidi.

A state report that was prepared by so-called RoC and submitted to UN. Another one sided propaganda! even ROFL

[zan]

Who was that issued by Paphitis???

Don't you have a counter argument? Have we hit a grey area?

That is my counter argument.......Didn't need much more.....

So you have nothing to say...You know full well hat the above is true, and from an unbiased source, and now you have nothing to say because you just can't counter a damn thing....

I like to start from the beginning...Now who was it??

[Tim Drayton]

Tim, what's ur point?

It is Kavazoğlu's article not mine.

Ok, but what's ur point? Plz evaluate it.

My point in posting this article is that I think it makes an interesting continuation of the discussion we were having about 1964.

Kavazoğlu does not deny that the Turkish Cypriots were suffering greatly at that time, and nor do I. But he also asks the question 'why', as do I.

As you know, I look at the consequences of the TCs being driven into the enclaves, and what I see is that they came under the iron rule of the TMT. The TMT was set up by the Turkish Special War Department. This was a secret organisation that was set up and financed by the Americans for the specific purpose of waging guerilla war in the event of a Soviet invasion. This organisation was so secret that even Bülent Ecevit, the democratically elected prime-minister of Turkey only learned of its existence by co-incidence. In other words, the Turkish Cypriot community came under the autocratic rule of an organisation that was actually financed and supported by America, and which was accountable to no democratically elected body. Somehow, this makes me suspect that the long arm of Anglo-Saxon imperialism is involved.

With that thought on my mind, I suddenly remembered that article by Kavazoğlu which argues that the root cause of this Turkish Cypriot suffering was the interests of imperialism. Of course Kavazoğlu was a prominent AKEL member so he is arguing from the left of the political spectrum. I just feel that bringing up such views that challenge entrenched positions can promote discussion and help to get at the truth.

[Paphitis]

Who was that issued by Paphitis???

Don't you have a counter argument? Have we hit a grey area?

That is my counter argument.......Didn't need much more.....

So you have nothing to say...You know full well hat the above is true, and from an unbiased source, and now you have nothing to say because you just can't counter a damn thing....

That is a state report re Pufidi.

A state report that was prepared by so-called RoC and submitted to UN. Another one sided propaganda! even ROFL

Oh right...So anything published by the only recognized administration on the island is propaganda is it?

[insan]

Tim, what's ur point?

It is Kavazoğlu's article not mine.

Ok, but what's ur point? Plz evaluate it.

My point in posting this article is that I think it makes an interesting continuation of the discussion we were having about 1964.

Kavazoğlu does not deny that the Turkish Cypriots were suffering greatly at that time, and nor do I. But he also asks the question 'why', as do I.

As you know, I look at the consequences of the TCs being driven into the enclaves, and what I see is that they came under the iron rule of the TMT. The TMT was set up by the Turkish Special War Department. This was a secret organisation that was set up and financed by the Americans for the specific purpose of waging guerilla war in the event of a Soviet invasion. This organisation was so secret that even Bülent Ecevit, the democratically elected prime-minister of Turkey only learned of its existence by co-incidence. In other words, the Turkish Cypriot community came under the autocratic rule of an organisation that was actually financed and supported by America, and which was accountable to no democratically elected body. Somehow, this makes me suspect that the long arm of Anglo-Saxon imperialism is involved.

With that thought on my mind, I suddenly remembered that article by Kavazoğlu which argues that the root cause of this Turkish Cypriot suffering was the interests of imperialism. Of course Kavazoğlu was a prominent AKEL member so he is arguing from the left of the political spectrum. I just feel that bringing up such views that challenge entrenched positions can promote discussion and help to get at the truth.

Ok. Thanks for ur evaluation...

Isn't it strange that Kavazoğlu didn't mention just a single word abt EOKA that was just another secret organization funded by Americans? By not mentioning just a single word abt EOKA and it's activities; he made his article sound as written by a pro-EOKA journalist/spy?

It seems like Kavazoğlu ignored the activities of EOKA bcz he thought EOKA had nothing to do with the formation of TMT. Do u agree with Kavazoğlu that EOKA has no role on foundation of TMT and it's activities?

I'll go step by step... there r a lot of other aspects of theis article I'd like to question.

[zan]

Tim, what's ur point?

It is Kavazoğlu's article not mine.

Ok, but what's ur point? Plz evaluate it.

My point in posting this article is that I think it makes an interesting continuation of the discussion we were having about 1964.

Kavazoğlu does not deny that the Turkish Cypriots were suffering greatly at that time, and nor do I. But he also asks the question 'why', as do I.

As you know, I look at the consequences of the TCs being driven into the enclaves, and what I see is that they came under the iron rule of the TMT. The TMT was set up by the Turkish Special War Department. This was a secret organisation that was set up and financed by the Americans for the specific purpose of waging guerilla war in the event of a Soviet invasion. This organisation was so secret that even Bülent Ecevit, the democratically elected prime-minister of Turkey only learned of its existence by co-incidence. In other words, the Turkish Cypriot community came under the autocratic rule of an organisation that was actually financed and supported by America, and which was accountable to no democratically elected body. Somehow, this makes me suspect that the long arm of Anglo-Saxon imperialism is involved.

With that thought on my mind, I suddenly remembered that article by Kavazoğlu which argues that the root cause of this Turkish Cypriot suffering was the interests of imperialism. Of course Kavazoğlu was a prominent AKEL member so he is arguing from the left of the political spectrum. I just feel that bringing up such views that challenge entrenched positions can promote discussion and help to get at the truth.

I think we all know that Tim.......Back to ifs......If America had not worried about communism then it would not have found a ready TC community waiting for its help. I think you are over analysing things. If we are to keep this as a Cypriot affair then the only thing that matters is that the TC were fighting against ENOSIS. Where they got their help from is another issue. If the USA had given them the shoe laces that Makarios refused them or maybe the baby milk, then that also would have been seen as the USA trying to buy TC resistance in some peoples eyes.

[denizaksulu]

Do you think that article is balanced Deniz???

One journalists, impressions and interview. Hmmm. The proper question would have been , ' is it the truth?'. I'd say God knows.

The article stems from the discussion with the Bulgarian Turk and the journalists response and nothing else. Does there have to be a balance?IMO.

[-mikkie2-]

"I just feel that bringing up such views that challenge entrenched positions can promote discussion and help to get at the truth."

Thats admirable Tim, but unfortunately, most people have been entrenched in their positions and anything that goes beyond their 'comfort zone' stirrs up the opposite of debate and reason.

[insan]

Who was that issued by Paphitis???

Don't you have a counter argument? Have we hit a grey area?

That is my counter argument.......Didn't need much more.....

So you have nothing to say...You know full well hat the above is true, and from an unbiased source, and now you have nothing to say because you just can't counter a damn thing....

That is a state report re Pufidi.

A state report that was prepared by so-called RoC and submitted to UN. Another one sided propaganda! even ROFL

Oh right...So anything published by the only recognized administration on the island is propaganda is it?

I didn't say anything re Pufidi... What u posted above and a lot of other things too. Sorry but one more ROFL to u.

[zan]

Do you think that article is balanced Deniz???

One journalists, impressions and interview. Hmmm. The proper question would have been , ' is it the truth?'. I'd say God knows.

The article stems from the discussion with the Bulgarian Turk and the journalists response and nothing else. Does there have to be a balance?IMO.

Balance in the Forum or the article???

If the Forum then yes.