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[AWE]

"Greeks were a minority in Ottoman Empire "

Now as to the assertion that Greece blackmailed the EU- can anyone here please clarify exactly how Greece could have blackmailed far more powerful and influential countries like Germany, France and Britain?

The FACT which some posters do not want to accept is that Cyprus was the most succesful candidate country, meeting and exceeding the entry criteria to a greater extent than any other candidate country.

By threatening to veto further EU expansion unless Cyprus was offered membership. in the usual EU trade off Greece got to kick the Cyprus problem in to the EU's court and then get to doing business with Turkey, now should a nationalist try to play the Cyprus card they reply is it is in the EU hands.

I was under the impression that Cyprus fudged/faked it's numbers to pass the membership tests.

[Nikitas]

Insan,

This Thomas Diez fellow is expressin his OPINION. Where are the FACTS to support his opinion? Where are the medium range weapons he is citing in either Greece or Cyprus which would be able to strike Turkey? Where are the Greek naval bases in Cyprus?

There is no record of Greece trying to use Cyprus for any strategic, economic or political advantage since the fll of the junta in 1974. And neither is there any evidence that RoC has sought to play any role as a support for Greece in the EU.

On the other hand, Turkey, according to recent press reports, plans to use the Karpasia peninsula as a midway point for oil pipelines to the Middle East. So much about which of the motherlands respects the sovereignty of Cyprus. Turkey did not even ask the TCs if they want to host this pipeline, it simply announced it as if it is understood that they will shutup and take it.

[Nikitas]

SOFT UNDERBELLY is a ridiculous term in military terms! We had gone through that with Copperline in earlier posts. It is utter nonsense to propose that the south side of all countries is by definition "soft" and therefore vulnerable. Unless of course we hold that all generals and admirals are geographically challenged and by definition can read maps only one way up!

[insan]

Insan,

This Thomas Diez fellow is expressin his OPINION. Where are the FACTS to support his opinion? Where are the medium range weapons he is citing in either Greece or Cyprus which would be able to strike Turkey? Where are the Greek naval bases in Cyprus?

There is no record of Greece trying to use Cyprus for any strategic, economic or political advantage since the fll of the junta in 1974. And neither is there any evidence that RoC has sought to play any role as a support for Greece in the EU.

On the other hand, Turkey, according to recent press reports, plans to use the Karpasia peninsula as a midway point for oil pipelines to the Middle East. So much about which of the motherlands respects the sovereignty of Cyprus. Turkey did not even ask the TCs if they want to host this pipeline, it simply announced it as if it is understood that they will shutup and take it.

Facts r direct quotes from the speeches of Greek officials... u r still in denial, Nikitas; sorry.

Turkey has never denied that she has common interests with TCs in Cyprus. She also exerted to have common interests with Greeks and GCs in our region but for most of the Greeks and GCs having common interests with "barbarian", "invader" Turks is something embarassing and impossible.

[Christine Toskos]

What does Turkey want? To conquer Europe? Tell me what is Turkey's deep desire for Cyprus? I am dying to know.

[Nikitas]

Greek official statements were my daily task for years as a reporter. I have not heard any Greek official supporting anything other than a workable BBF solution to Cyprus since 1977 when Makarios and Denktash signed the first relevant agreement.

Underlining the common heritage and culture of the two countrie is not a statement of policy. Similar statements are made by Turkish officials and public figures every day. THey are not statements of policy.

As for which one of us is turning a blind eye to the facts you only have to look around you. You live under the command of a 40 000 strong army which has countless camps in northern Cyprus, which controls all ports and airports and which is backed by medium range missiles aimed at the heard of Nicosia and Limassol.

When you live in such a place and then have the nerve to accuse the other side of not realising common interests etc then you have a problem.

You still have not indicated where there are Greek naval bases in Cyprus as this Diez chap said would be valuable for Greece. Nor have you indicated any acquisition of medium range strategic weapons by Greece. Turkey did purchase this kind of weapons over ten years ago.

As for the oil transit station in Karpasia, there are questions other than oil which enter into the calculation. The fact is that Turkey and Russia did not feel obliged to consult either the TCs nor the GC owners of land in the area. They simply announced to the world that they plan to shove an oil depot there. Unless you have heard something the rest of us did not. Like rent, or other payment to the people whose land they plan to destroy for this project.

[Nikitas]

"I was under the impression that Cyprus fudged/faked it's numbers to pass the membership tests."

And the EU Commission accountants were so selectively incompetent that they managed to catch the chicaneries of all other candidate countries but missed the Cypriot tricks.

Leave us alone re koumbare!

[denizaksulu]

Isan: Isn't true more Turks live in Germany than in Cyprus? Isn't true many Turkish Germans are killed or raped by other Germans? Why doesn't Turkey invade Germany and misplace 1/3 of the Germany population and declare that land the Turkish Republic of Germany? It doesn't make sense! Well, that is what your country did to our Greek island of Cyprus. They invaded it. Even though not one Turkish Cypriot was ever killed nor raped they felt compel to invade us and rape our beautiful Greek women. They forced the Greeks who lived in Northern Cyprus for the last 5,000 to move or be killed and renamed it the Turkish Republic of Cyprus. Just as the TRG doesn't make sense to you. To the world of intelligent people. I guess that exempts Turks, TRC doesn't make sense. You cannot invade a country and say it belongs to you. You don't like us then leave our country. Don't conquer it and destroy it in the possess!

Icurse your English teacher. I understand that you love us Turkish Cypriots, but you are unable to put it across. Never mind , we love you too.

[Lit]

The FACT which some posters do not want to accept is that Cyprus was the most succesful candidate country, meeting and exceeding the entry criteria to a greater extent than any other candidate country.

Well said. Why should Cyprus be punished for the Turkish invasion? I have one question though? Uhh, how do you do it, Nikitas? How do you put up with the backwardness in this forum? Inquiring minds want to know.....

[Lit]

"I was under the impression that Cyprus fudged/faked it's numbers to pass the membership tests."

And the EU Commission accountants were so selectively incompetent that they managed to catch the chicaneries of all other candidate countries but missed the Cypriot tricks.

Leave us alone re koumbare!

We Cypriots are a tricky bunch. Bwahahahaha! Dumb EU thought we were race horses but in reality we are only donkeys! Little did they know that we faked the numbers!