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[turkcyp]

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[Piratis]

Wait one second, do you claim that these treaties are supposed to be kept unilaterally by one party while the other parties involved have broken the deal and show no intention of following it?

I don't think this is the way that treaties between countries work.

[turkcyp]

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[-mikkie2-]

The treaty of guarantee was explicitly written to preclude union with either greece or turkey.

It was not designed to take account of collective arrangements and agreements between sovereighn states, which is essentially what the EU is. The EU is NOT a state.

This is yet another example of the rampant misinterpretation and misinformation that the TC's have been fed for many years by their regime.

Is it so hard to admit that you are wrong on this? Sitting here arguing the finer points of a treaty that was created over 40 years ago and trying to put it in the perspective of today simply does not work, because for over 40 years we have had a stillborn existance as a country that has not evolved politically as one.

[gabaston]

guarantor treaty - the 1960 constitution

these were dead and buried a long time ago. no big deal if eu is a state or not. every other bit of the constitution and guarantor treaty has been broken or twisted, why not this bit?

[turkcyp]

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[Dhavlos]

the treaty of guarentee obviously hasnt worked.

the basics of it to my knowledge were that the 3 powers(Gr/Tu/UK) could go into cyprus to establish the status quo of the 1960 constitution.

This obviously hasnt happened, whether we agree to what is the current situtation or not.

[MicAtCyp]

A very simple question is this?
Is there economic union between let' say Cyprus and France. The answer is yes.

There are 2 ways to see a law
a)The legalistic way word by word.
b)The spirit in which the law was written

If you take the first approach then an easy answer to your question would be no Cyprus is not in economic union with France because (and one can list 100 differences in economic policy).Then you may say ok then it is partly united, then one can say the word partly refers to the territory of Cyprus not to how much is united. And of course one can always claim that a union of states is not a state. it is just bonds or strings that some states have between them, like for example a Labourers Union. Not every member in that Labor Union is married to each other!

If you take the spirit of the law, that clearly implied Union with Greece or Turkey.

Usually in such legalistic issues where one can never be sure the judgement is based on the spirit of the law.

I guess it is upto The International Court of Justice to decide.

The issue has been examined by the EU court exhaustively after the objections of Denktash and Turkey. It was found perfectly legal.

[magikthrill]

[quote="-mikkie2-"]
Is it so hard to admit that you are wrong on this? Sitting [\quote]

i dont think turkcyp is wrong at all. he just stated that the sentence can be argued. i don thhikn he made a blatant statement claiming that the treaty of guarantee clearly states the RoC could not be part of the EU but only that it coul dbe argued depending on who is a better lawyer or in this case who has more power (the EU or the person arguing the treaty)

[MicAtCyp]

Wait one second, do you claim that these treaties are supposed to be kept unilaterally by one party while the other parties involved have broken the deal and show no intention of following it?

I understand the question was directed to Turkcyp but please let me answer too:

The answer to your question is YES. The Treaty of guarantee, plus the other two are an integral part of what makes the RoC. In case our side tries to abolish them is like committing suicide.