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[Anglo]

Can I be the third type if I'm not a Cypriot?

Of course you can

Great! Count me in!

[RAFAELLA]

The treaty also says that Cyprus shall not become a member of an organisation that Turkey is not a member of - EU?

The dear lady has shortened the text of the treaty as it suits to her....

Only common GC behaviour, nothing new....

You wished! The lady here has shortened nothing.
http://www.cyprus.gov.cy/cyphome/govhom ... nguageNo=1

Once again, I CHALLENGE YOU.
GIVE US ANY DOCUMENTS, RESOLUTIONS etc THAT JUSTIFY THE LEGALITY OF THE INVASION.
Waiting...

[Piratis]

Piratis, you seem to dislike TC's for wanting security and guarantees of equality. Can you blame them after what GC's did to them 63-74?

Here we go with that ONE decade again. Do you realize that the occupation is already for THREE decades, and that the Ottomans oppressed us for CENTURIES??
According to you the TCs should gain on the loss of GCs because of that one decade, and you forget the whole history before and after that.

If we have to give up something because of that one decade, you have to give up 100 times us much for the far greater crimes you committed over a far longer period. Not only you don't want to give up anything, you want to gain on top of that!!! Your greediness is apparently unlimited.

Brother, I do not paint all TCs with the same brush. But I disagree that the majority of TCs don't want partition, that they don't want to keep anything that doesn't belong to them etc. This is the case only with a small minority of TCs unfortunately.
The majority simply prefers a different form of partition than the Denctash kind of partition, and they would be more than glad if they were gifted a lot more than what they legally have until today on the expense of GCs. I wish I am wrong, but I am afraid I am not.

piratis, please, just because you have found some TCs who want some kind of partition, do not get angry and hurl abuse at people. To make a change, persuade them with rational thought, then everyone will understand that they are in the wrong. Abuse will get no-one nowhere.

Unfortunately they can not be persuaded today. They feel they have the upper hand and they expect that the solution should make them the winners and us the losers. Go ask any of them if they would accept to give up something of equal magnitude from the 1960 agreements for everything that they take more. You will realize that they want to gain only, and they expect us to loose only. The only thing they are willing to "compromise" is part of their illegal demands and nothing more, while they expect us to compromise our legal and even human rights.

[gabaston]

Found one!



"Turkey's intervention in Cyprus as a Guarantor Power within the framework of the Zurich and London agreements is legal. Actually the Greek officers against whom the court cases have been brought, are responsible for their intervention... Turkey was among the Guarantors of the Republic of Cyprus. General Ioannidis and his 102 colleagues endangered the integrity of the Republic of Cyprus and created the climate for the intervention..." (Judgment No. 2658/79 of 21 March, 1979, Greek Government, The Court of Cassation at Athens)

[brother]

Brother, I do not paint all TCs with the same brush. But I disagree that the majority of TCs don't want partition, that they don't want to keep anything that doesn't belong to them etc. This is the case only with a small minority of TCs unfortunately.
The majority simply prefers a different form of partition than the Denctash kind of partition, and they would be more than glad if they were gifted a lot more than what they legally have until today on the expense of GCs. I wish I am wrong, but I am afraid I am not.

I think you have become quite pessimistic recently piratis, but i wish you are wrong and i am right for the sake of all cypriots.

Unfortunately they can not be persuaded today. They feel they have the upper hand and they expect that the solution should make them the winners and us the losers. Go ask any of them if they would accept to give up something of equal magnitude from the 1960 agreements for everything that they take more. You will realize that they want to gain only, and they expect us to loose only. The only thing they are willing to "compromise" is part of their illegal demands and nothing more, while they expect us to compromise our legal and even human rights.

Now this is possibly the most sinicle statement i have heard in a while, your "they want to win and us lose" ideology is just plain one sided thinking.
Maybe its because both sides leaders want to win and the other lose, thats why there is no solution, neither side seems to want to understand and many on this forum too that we are all rooted to ideas and not being pragmatic or flexable at all.
We must think in the lines of, we will all lose so as we can all win but instead what are we doing (we are all guilty of this, me included) blaming each other on a multitude of platforms and topics for not wanting to unite our island, so lets all try to compromise here and there so as we can all win, i bet you the solution could come in days not 30 years and we are only going backwards.

[magikthrill]

the turkish invasion was legal. the occuation was not.

the athens military coup was illegal.

oh and i agree completely with piratis on this one.

[brother]

oh and i agree completely with piratis on this one.

Where have you been hanging out lately, the pessimist house, down by pessimist harbour at the university of pessimism, whats wrong with you lately mate you are really not sounding like yourself but................if there is a problem lets talk about it.

[demetriou_74]

bro its called opposite views. u normally put these people down

[insan]

the turkish invasion was legal. the occuation was not.

the athens military coup was illegal.

oh and i agree completely with piratis on this one.

What about the Hellenistic efforts to degrade TCs to a minority status and cut the ties of TCs with Turkey?

That's why the de-facto situation lasts for more than 30 years... Keep on dreaming a Hellen dominated Cyprus and naming the defacto situation "invasion" or "occupation"...

As long as you can't understand the facts; there will be no solution to the Cyprus problem. Any solution won't last too long...

[-mikkie2-]

As long as you can't understand the facts; there will be no solution to the Cyprus problem. Any solution won't last too long...

Wise words from Insan! Yeah, right.

As long as we don't understand that Turkey is all mighty and powerful then there won't be a solution to your liking.

Insan, your obsession with Hellenism and its demonisation simply stinks.

The obsession of TC's for 'security' and 'peace' is not the same as any normal person would understand it.

TAKE WHAT YOU STOLE FROM US UNDER YOUR 'PEACE OPERATION' AND LEAVE US ALONE. BECOME A MINORITY UNDER THE TURKS AND SEE HOW YOU LIKE IT. IM SURE THE KURDS WILL GIVE YOU A GLOWING REFERENCE.

As for Gabastons comment

"Turkey's intervention in Cyprus as a Guarantor Power within the framework of the Zurich and London agreements is legal. Actually the Greek officers against whom the court cases have been brought, are responsible for their intervention... Turkey was among the Guarantors of the Republic of Cyprus. General Ioannidis and his 102 colleagues endangered the integrity of the Republic of Cyprus and created the climate for the intervention..." (Judgment No. 2658/79 of 21 March, 1979, Greek Government, The Court of Cassation at Athens)

From WHAT barrel did you scrape this from?

Nobody denies the fact that Turkey had the right to intervene. WHAT IS AT ISSUE IS THE WHAT THE INTERVENTION WAS SUPPOSED TO ACHIEVE. IT WAS SUPPOSED TO ACHIEVE CONSTITURIONAL ORDER NOT PARTITION.

This is my whole bloody point about arguing with people that see things white when they are black or black when they are white. At this moment in time I am seeing RED because of all the pathetic comments that are flying around.