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Postby Gabira » Mon Sep 21, 2009 2:15 am

Chooky Toskos ... another fine example of the failure of the Turkish Army since '74. God damn their half hearted Peace Operation.
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Postby Oracle » Mon Sep 21, 2009 2:20 am

You are already damned ...
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Postby yialousa1971 » Mon Sep 21, 2009 2:24 am

Smyrna, Sep 22
"I left from Smyrna feeling deep shame just because I belonged to the human race"
George Horton
(U.S. Consul-General in Smyrna)


THE NEW YORK TIMES, MONDAY, OCTOBER 9, 1922.

WOMAN PICTURES SMYRNA HORRORS. Dr. Esther Lovejoy, an eyewitness, tells of terrible scenes on the Quay.

She assails neutrality.

Declares it is a Crime for the World to lack the means to prevent such outrages.



© Copyright 1922. The New York Times Company.


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PARIS, Oct. 8, 1922.



An ugly picture of the cruelty of the Turks in forcing the evacuation of Greeks and Armenians from Smyrna is painted by Dr Esther Lovejoy, an eyewitness, who arrived in Paris this morning. Dr. Lovejoy is Chairman of the Executive board of the American Women's Hospitals and President of the Medical Women's International Association. She was in Geneva attending the conference of the latter organization when the Smyrna fire started and was dispatched there immediately by the American Women's Hospitals. Dr. Lovejoy refused to discuss the causes behind the Smyrna trouble, confining herself to depicting the horrors she had actually witnessed.


"I was the first American Red Cross woman in France," she said, "but what I saw there during the Great War seems a love feast beside the horrors of Smyrna. When I arrived at Smyrna there were massed on the quays 250,000 people--wretched, suffering and screaming with women beaten and with their clothes torn off them, families separated and everybody robbed. "Knowing their lives depended on escape before Sept. 30, the crowds remained packed along the water front--so massed that there was no room to lie down. The sanitary conditions were unspeakable. "Three-quarters of the crowd were women and children, and never have I seen so many women carrying children. It seemed that every other woman was an expectant mother. The flight and the conditions brought on many premature births, and on the quay with scarcely room to lie down and without aid most of the children were born. In the five days I was there more than 200 such confinements occurred.


"Even more heartrending were the cries of children who had lost their mothers or mothers who had lost their children. They were herded along through the great guarded enclosure, and there was no turning back for lost ones. Mothers in the strength of madness climbed the steel fences fifteen feet high and in the face of blows from the butts of guns sought the children, who ran about screaming like animals. "The condition in which these people reached the ships causes one to wonder if escape were better than Turkish deportation. Never has there been such systematic robbery. The Turkish soldiers searched and robbed every refugee. Even clothing and shoes of any value were stripped from their bodies. "To rob the men another method was used: men of military age were permit to pass through all the barriers till the last by giving bribes. At the last barrier they were turned back to be deported. The robbery was not only committed by soldiers, but also by officers. I witnessed two flagrant cases committed by officers who would be classed as gentlemen. "On September 28, 1922 the Turks drove the crowds from the quay, where the search lights of the allied warships played on them, into the side streets. All that night the screams of women and girls were heard and it was declared next day that many were taken for slaves. The Smyrna horror is beyond the conception of the imagination and the power of words. It is a crime for which the whole world is responsible in not having through the civilized ages built up some means to prevent such orders as the evacuation of a city and the means with which it was carried out. It is a crime for the world to stand by through a sense of neutrality and permit his outrage against 200,000 women.



"Under the order to remain neutral I saw the launch of an American warship pick up two male refugees who were trying to swim to a merchant ship under the Turkish rifle fire and return them to the hands of the waiting Turk soldiers on the beach of what must have been certain death. And under orders to remain neutral I saw soldiers and officers of all nationalities stand by while Turk soldiers beat with their rifles women trying to reach their children who were crying just beyond the fence."
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Postby Gabira » Mon Sep 21, 2009 2:28 am

Oracle wrote:You are already damned ...


Yes agreed, with your existence :?
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Postby yialousa1971 » Mon Sep 21, 2009 2:34 am

Turks are not human, not one Turk here on this forum apologises for their and their ancestors crimes.
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Postby Gabira » Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:45 am

yialousa1971 wrote:Turks are not human, not one Turk here on this forum apologises for their and their ancestors crimes.


Could that be because everyone here is Cypriot :lol:

I have condemned the failure of the Turkish Army since '74.

God damn their half hearted Peace Operation.

What more do you want ? :roll:
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Postby denizaksulu » Mon Sep 21, 2009 6:53 am

Nikitas wrote:There is a report filed by a French naval officer on the treatment of bishop Chrysostomos of Smyrna after the fall of the city, which contradicts this portrayal of a disciplined army etc.

The bishop had been arrested and was brought out on a balcony. The military commander asked the crowd what should be done with the bishop, "give him to us" responded the crowd, and that is what happened.

The French officer details the treatment of the bishop, which included gouging out his eyes and various other tortures before he was finally killed by the mob.

You can fish out the report from the sources of the French foreign ministry. If it is important to you I can find it for you. The picture is not that of a disciplined Turkish army which was not into atrocities.

Our neighbor in Athens, Mrs Vassilia, was born in Smyrna. All her family, including young children, were killed by Turkish troops. I met Vassilia when she was 84, and surprisinlgy calm and detached when she talked about her ordeal. She fled to Greece and spent her life caring for other peoples' children as a nanny. Her experience is far from unique.

So leave this thing of the discipline of the Turkish army once it entered Smyrna. We know full well that they gave as good as they took and more.

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Nobody here is disputing that attrocities never took place in Smyrna. Just tell 'Nuevo Oracle', aka C.Toskos, that the Greeks do not come out of this holier than holy.
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Postby RAFAELLA » Mon Sep 21, 2009 9:44 am

THE BLIGHT OF ASIA
An Account of the Systematic Extermination of Christian Populations by Mohammedans and of the Culpability of Certain Great Powers; with the True Story of the Burning of Smyrna

By GEORGE HORTON
For Thirty Years Consul and Consul-General of the United States in the Near East

With a Foreword by JAMES W. GERARD, Former Ambassador to Germany.

FOREWORD
HERE at last is the truth about the destruction of Smyrna and the massacre of a large part of its Inhabitants by one who was present.

The writer of the following pages is a man, hap­pily, who is not restrained from telling what he knows by political reasons or by any consideration of fear or self-interest. He gives the whole story of the savage extermination of Christian civilization throughout the length and breadth of the old Byzantine Empire in a clear and convincing manner

That it should have been possible twenty centuries after the birth of Christ for a small and backward nation, like the Turks, to have committed such crimes against civilization and the progress of the world, is a matter which should cause all conscientious people to pause and think; yet the writer shows conclusively that these crimes have been committed without opposition on the part of any Christian nation and that the last frightful scene at Smyrna was enacted within a few yards of powerful Allied and American battle fleet.

We turned a deaf ear to the dying Christians, when they called to us for aid, fully aware that America was their only hope, and now it would ap­pear that there is a growing tendency in this coun­try to whitewash the Turks and condone their crimes in order to obtain material advantages from them.

The author takes the position that this can not be done, as the Turks have put so great an affront upon humanity that it can not easily be overlooked, and the truth is sure to come out. He claims that high ideals are more than oil or railroads, and that the Turks should not be accepted into the society of decent nations until they show sincere repentance for their crimes.

Fraternizing with them on any other terms cre­ates a suspicion of sordidness or even complicity. From the outspoken nature of this book it will be evident to the reader that the writing of it has re­quired considerable courage and that it has been in­spired by no other possible motive than a desire to make the truth known about matters which it is im­portant for the world to know.
(Signed) JAMES W. GERARD


CONTENTS

I TURKISH MASSACRES

MOHAMMEDANISM has been propagated by the sword and by violence ever since it first appeared as the great enemy of Christianity, as I shall show in a later chapter of this book.
It has been left to the Turk, however, in more recent years, to carry on the ferocious traditions of his creed, and to distinguish himself by excesses which have never been equaled by any of the tribes enrolled under the banner of the Prophet, either in ancient or in modern times.

The following is a partial list of Turkish massacres from 1822 up till 1904:

1822 Chios, Greeks 50,000
1823 Missolongi, Greeks 8,750
1826 Constantinople, Jannisaries 25,000
1850 Mosul, Assyrians 10,000
1860 Lebanon, Maronites 12,000
1876 Bulgaria, Bulgarians 14,700
1877 Bayazid, Armenians 1,400
1879 Alashguerd, Armenians 1,250
1881 Alexandria, Christians 2,000
1892 Mosul, Yezidies 3,500
1894 Sassun, Armenians 12,000
1895-96 Armenia, Armenians 150,000
1896 Constantinople, Armenians 9,570
1896 Van, Armenians 8,000
1903-04 Macedonia, Macedonians 14,667
1904 Sassun, Armenians 5,640
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Total 328,477

To this must be added the massacre in the province of Adana in 1909, of thirty thousand Armenians


II GLADSTONE AND THE BULGARIAN ATROCITIES

III FIRST STEPS IN YOUNG TURKS’ PROGRAM

IV THE LAST GREAT SELAMLIK

V PERSECUTION OF CHRISTIANS IN SMYRNA DISTRICT

V I THE MASSACRE OF PHOCEA

VII NEW LIGHT ON THE ARMENIAN MASSACRE

VIII STORY OF WALTER M. GEDDES

IX INFORMATION FROM OTHER SOURCES

X THE GREEK LANDING AT SMYRNA

XI THE HELLENIC ADMINISTRATION IN SMYRNA

XII THE GREEK RETREAT

XIII SMYRNA AS IT WAS

XIV THE DESTRUCTION OF SMYRNA

XV FIRST DISQUIETING RUMORS

XVI THE TURKS ARRIVE

XVII WHERE AND WHEN THE FIRES WERE LIGHTED

XVIII THE ARRIVAL AT ATHENS

XIX ADDED DETAILS LEARNED AFTER THE TRAGEDY

XX HISTORIC IMPORTANCE OF THE DESTRUCTION OF SMYRNA

XXI NUMBER DONE TO DEATH

XXII EFFICIENCY OF OUR NAVY IN SAVING LIVES

XXIII RESPONSIBILITY OF THE WESTERN WORLD

XXIV ITALY’S DESIGNS ON SMYRNA

XXV FRANCE AND THE KHEMALISTS

XXVI MASSACRE OF THE FRENCH GARRISON AT UFRA

XXVII THE BRITISH CONTRIBUTION

XXVIII TURKISH INTERPRETATION OF AMERICA’S ATTITUDE

XXIX THE MAKING OF MUSTAPHA KHEMAL

XXX OUR MISSIONARY INSTITUTIONS IN TURKEY

XXXI AMERICAN INSTITUTIONS UNDER TURKISH RULE

XXXII THE REVEREND RALPH HARLOW ON THE LAUSANNE TREATY

XXXIII MOHAMMEDANISM AND CHRISTIANITY

XXXIV THE KORAN AND THE BIBLE

XXXV THE EXAMPLE OF MOHAMMED

XXXVI THE 50-50 THEORY

XXXVII ASIA MINOR, THE GRAVEYARD OF GREEK CITIES

XXVIII ECHOES FROM SMYRNA

XXXIX CONCLUSION

http://www.hri.org/docs/Horton/HortonBo ... HAPTER_VII

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...I do not blame Turks for repeating their history, it's in their DNA.
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Postby Nikitas » Mon Sep 21, 2009 11:52 am

After all is said and done, you look at the map of Asia Minor and the Greek campaign of 1919-1922 and you have to ask "what on earth were they thinking?".
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Postby denizaksulu » Mon Sep 21, 2009 12:06 pm

Nikitas wrote:After all is said and done, you look at the map of Asia Minor and the Greek campaign of 1919-1922 and you have to ask "what on earth were they thinking?".



Who were thinking what? :?
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