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[Viewpoint]

...the balance has to be such that you cannot steam roll over us using your numerical advanatge to our detrement, we will not capitulate to your demands to take control of the whole island.

You mean like a midget demanding props and a place in the national basketball team?

No just like the GCs did or tried to do in 1963.

You gotta suck it and see sometimes in life...

Just like you didin 1974? whats wrong with wanting the GCs to behave and stick to any new agreements why are you so against safeguards and guarantees, the more you object the more suspiscious we are that you are harbouring ulterior motives to brush us to one side.

[Get Real!]

...the balance has to be such that you cannot steam roll over us using your numerical advanatge to our detrement, we will not capitulate to your demands to take control of the whole island.

You mean like a midget demanding props and a place in the national basketball team?

No just like the GCs did or tried to do in 1963.

You gotta suck it and see sometimes in life...

Just like you didin 1974? whats wrong with wanting the GCs to behave and stick to any new agreements why are you so against safeguards and guarantees, the more you object the more suspiscious we are that you are harbouring ulterior motives to brush us to one side.

You know very well that if you get special this, and special that, you’ll end up with prejudice that’ll trigger a million emotions… it’s the fastest way for everything to fall apart if you ask me.

[Viewpoint]

...the balance has to be such that you cannot steam roll over us using your numerical advanatge to our detrement, we will not capitulate to your demands to take control of the whole island.

You mean like a midget demanding props and a place in the national basketball team?

No just like the GCs did or tried to do in 1963.

You gotta suck it and see sometimes in life...

Just like you didin 1974? whats wrong with wanting the GCs to behave and stick to any new agreements why are you so against safeguards and guarantees, the more you object the more suspiscious we are that you are harbouring ulterior motives to brush us to one side.

You know very well that if you get special this, and special that, you’ll end up with prejudice that’ll trigger a million emotions… it’s the fastest way for everything to fall apart if you ask me.

Whats the alternative trusting GCs, this is impossible on day 1, there has to be another way.

[Piratis]

They only get along because they are ruled by the host country being the Brits, unlike Cyprus where theh GCs are trying to force us into the poistion of visitors in our own country exposed to their manipulative and discriminative ways.

When did this happen? We didn't touch you until you FIRST attacked us and started demanding gains on our expense and threatened us with annihilating us from half of our island. This happened in the 50s

Try this with your minority in the UK. Tell to the majority that you want for your minority there things like veto powers, 30% civil servant positions, and threaten them that you will annihilate them from half of their country. Then we will see if the rest of the British will react any better to your demands and threats than we did.

Get over it we are the hosts not the visitors....only you want to turn us into visitors to be free to do as you wish.

Who said you are "visitors"? Are the Greek or Kurdish minorities in Turkey "visitors"? Are the Cypriots who are British citizens and live in the UK "visitors"?

You are not "visitors", you are an ethnic minority, just like all other ethnic minorities in all other countries.

Your minority in the UK (Bulgaria, Greece, Germany, Switzerland etc) accepts to be equal citizens with all the other citizens of those countries. In Cyprus you demand Ottoman Style privileges and disproportionally large amounts of land and power on the expense of every other Cypriot.

This is the difference between UK and Cyprus when it comes to the Turkish minorities in these two countries.

We maybe be smaller in numbers but we have no less right in running this country and we do not have to capitulate to GC who want exactly that to take away our rights and turn themselves into the host and us into visitors, we will never let that happen.

Are the Turks in Bulgaria or Greece "visitors"? Are the Greeks in Turkey "visitors"? Are the Cypriots who are UK citizens "visitors"? Have all this "smaller in numbers" communities "capitulated" by accepting democracy, one person - one vote, and equality of all citizens?

Try making these kinds of demands from any of your other "less in number" communities in any other country, and lets see if the majority of the population in those countries will react any different than we did.

[Piratis]

They only get along because they are ruled by the host country being the Brits, unlike Cyprus where theh GCs are trying to force us into the poistion of visitors in our own country exposed to their manipulative and discriminative ways.

When did this happen? We didn't touch you until you FIRST attacked us and started demanding gains on our expense and threatened us with annihilating us from half of our island. This happened in the 50s

Try this with your minority in the UK. Tell to the majority that you want for your minority there things like veto powers, 30% civil servant positions, and threaten them that you will annihilate them from half of their country. Then we will see if the rest of the British will react any better to your demands and threats than we did.

Get over it we are the hosts not the visitors....only you want to turn us into visitors to be free to do as you wish.

Who said you are "visitors"? Are the Greek or Kurdish minorities in Turkey "visitors"? Are the Cypriots who are British citizens and live in the UK "visitors"?

You are not "visitors", you are an ethnic minority, just like all other ethnic minorities in all other countries.

Your minority in the UK (Bulgaria, Greece, Germany, Switzerland etc) accepts to be equal citizens with all the other citizens of those countries. In Cyprus you demand Ottoman Style privileges and disproportionally large amounts of land and power on the expense of every other Cypriot.

This is the difference between UK and Cyprus when it comes to the Turkish minorities in these two countries.

Is demanding a federated country Ottoman style priviliges then the USA Belgium and partly Switzerland all appear to be following the Ottomans.

Piratis get it into your head you have to share this island with the TC community the balance has to be such that you cannot steam roll over us using your numerical advanatge to our detrement, we will not capitulate to your demands to take control of the whole island.

Federations my friend are formed by uniting separating parts, are not formed by dividing a unitary country by means of a foreign invasion and ethnic cleansing. You have absolutely no right for a Turkish state on a territory which is the homeland of 5 times more GCs than TCs.

I believe I have clearly answered the difference between UK and Cyprus, and the difference is the demands of the Turkish minorities in these two countries. In the case of UK they accept to be equal citizens like all the rest, and therefore they can have good relations with all the rest, in Cyprus they demand to take our land to make a Turkish state on it and a ton of other undemocratic privileges on our expense.

These are the kinds of demands that created the problem from the 1950s.

[Piratis]

It is a fact that the GCs have imported women from the third world to massage their ego.

There is no other country in the EU, other than Cyprus, where individuals attempt draw kudos and respect from their peers by exploiting people from the third world to pander and serve their every need.

Your peasant mentality programs you to follow these idiotic traits.

Shame on you ... you have lost all self respect and what it means to be a Cypriot.

No self-respecting Cypriot in the UK would stoop to such a low.

Me Ed, a TC who is living in the UK is coming to accuse Cypriots of "exploiting people from the third world" ?

Are you serious? Cyprus and many other territories around the world have been the victims of the Imperialist powers which you support, and even until today Cyprus continues to battle against these Imperialists who continue to want to maintain their control and troops in our island in order to exploit our country for their own interests.

And if you wanted to talk about Cypriots, then you should have first talked about the TCs, who are selling off to foreigners the properties they stole from us.

But instead of seeing this, you come to accuse Cypriots because they give employment to other people? Cyprus is the number one country in the world in terms of asylum seekers per capita. The foreign housekeepers you are talking about try to stay in Cyprus as long as they can, and even if they have to return to their homeland most of them return back with a different name. You call this "exploitation"?

Exploitation is when you invade, enslave and you take by force what belongs to others. This is what Imperialists such as the British and the Turks do, and not Cypriots.

If the Imperialists you support have not been exploiting the world for centuries, then maybe those people in the 3rd world countries would be able to have a better life in their own countries and they wouldn't need to seek employment elsewhere.

[MR-from-NG]

It is a fact that the GCs have imported women from the third world to massage their ego.

There is no other country in the EU, other than Cyprus, where individuals attempt draw kudos and respect from their peers by exploiting people from the third world to pander and serve their every need.

Your peasant mentality programs you to follow these idiotic traits.

Shame on you ... you have lost all self respect and what it means to be a Cypriot.

No self-respecting Cypriot in the UK would stoop to such a low.

Me Ed, a TC who is living in the UK is coming to accuse Cypriots of "exploiting people from the third world" ?

Are you serious? Cyprus and many other territories around the world have been the victims of the Imperialist powers which you support, and even until today Cyprus continues to battle against these Imperialists who continue to want to maintain their control and troops in our island in order to exploit our country for their own interests.

And if you wanted to talk about Cypriots, then you should have first talked about the TCs, who are selling off to foreigners the properties they stole from us.

But instead of seeing this, you come to accuse Cypriots because they give employment to other people? Cyprus is the number one country in the world in terms of asylum seekers per capita. The foreign housekeepers you are talking about try to stay in Cyprus as long as they can, and even if they have to return to their homeland most of them return back with a different name. You call this "exploitation"?

Exploitation is when you invade, enslave and you take by force what belongs to others. This is what Imperialists such as the British and the Turks do, and not Cypriots.

If the Imperialists you support have not been exploiting the world for centuries, then maybe those people in the 3rd world countries would be able to have a better life in their own countries and they wouldn't need to seek employment elsewhere.

You can defend your RoC as I much as you like Piratis, you are never going to convince the civilised world of what you really are. You have the worst record for human rights and exploitations, each time you try and justify your actions you play the Turkish invasion card. It doesn't wash mate. Your true colours are well known around the world.

Your theory of "now we are in the EU we are civilised" is just fantasy. You were peasants before you're peasants now. Get used to it.

[Me Ed]

It is a fact that the GCs have imported women from the third world to massage their ego.

There is no other country in the EU, other than Cyprus, where individuals attempt draw kudos and respect from their peers by exploiting people from the third world to pander and serve their every need.

Your peasant mentality programs you to follow these idiotic traits.

Shame on you ... you have lost all self respect and what it means to be a Cypriot.

No self-respecting Cypriot in the UK would stoop to such a low.

Me Ed, a TC who is living in the UK is coming to accuse Cypriots of "exploiting people from the third world" ?

Are you serious? Cyprus and many other territories around the world have been the victims of the Imperialist powers which you support, and even until today Cyprus continues to battle against these Imperialists who continue to want to maintain their control and troops in our island in order to exploit our country for their own interests.

And if you wanted to talk about Cypriots, then you should have first talked about the TCs, who are selling off to foreigners the properties they stole from us.

But instead of seeing this, you come to accuse Cypriots because they give employment to other people? Cyprus is the number one country in the world in terms of asylum seekers per capita. The foreign housekeepers you are talking about try to stay in Cyprus as long as they can, and even if they have to return to their homeland most of them return back with a different name. You call this "exploitation"?

Exploitation is when you invade, enslave and you take by force what belongs to others. This is what Imperialists such as the British and the Turks do, and not Cypriots.

If the Imperialists you support have not been exploiting the world for centuries, then maybe those people in the 3rd world countries would be able to have a better life in their own countries and they wouldn't need to seek employment elsewhere.

Priatis, you see how your prejudice disracted you from the fact that I am actually a GC living in the UK.

When I was last in Limassol, after a nights drinking on my way home - I was approached by numerous taxi drivers who where pimping - one even had three girls from Moldova who did not look happy and my firend and I was offered all three girls for the night for 100CYP.

The RoC has a very poor track record when it comes to people trafficking particularly when it comes to prostitution.

My cousins all have maids, even though the woman of the house does not actually work - and it's all for show. That's what I'm talking about, and their constant chatter about money and it's aquisition is very boring.

I even have one female relative staying with me at the moment and even she can't be bothered to do her bed up in the morning - is she waiting for the maid to do it?

A far cry from the behaiviour of GCs (and TCs) in the UK who have by and large maintained the values that their parents bought over to them when they emmigrated.

Maybe that's why the respective communities in London actually get along and the Cypriots in Cyprus can learn from their brothers in the UK.

[Piratis]

It is a fact that the GCs have imported women from the third world to massage their ego.

There is no other country in the EU, other than Cyprus, where individuals attempt draw kudos and respect from their peers by exploiting people from the third world to pander and serve their every need.

Your peasant mentality programs you to follow these idiotic traits.

Shame on you ... you have lost all self respect and what it means to be a Cypriot.

No self-respecting Cypriot in the UK would stoop to such a low.

Me Ed, a TC who is living in the UK is coming to accuse Cypriots of "exploiting people from the third world" ?

Are you serious? Cyprus and many other territories around the world have been the victims of the Imperialist powers which you support, and even until today Cyprus continues to battle against these Imperialists who continue to want to maintain their control and troops in our island in order to exploit our country for their own interests.

And if you wanted to talk about Cypriots, then you should have first talked about the TCs, who are selling off to foreigners the properties they stole from us.

But instead of seeing this, you come to accuse Cypriots because they give employment to other people? Cyprus is the number one country in the world in terms of asylum seekers per capita. The foreign housekeepers you are talking about try to stay in Cyprus as long as they can, and even if they have to return to their homeland most of them return back with a different name. You call this "exploitation"?

Exploitation is when you invade, enslave and you take by force what belongs to others. This is what Imperialists such as the British and the Turks do, and not Cypriots.

If the Imperialists you support have not been exploiting the world for centuries, then maybe those people in the 3rd world countries would be able to have a better life in their own countries and they wouldn't need to seek employment elsewhere.

You can defend your RoC as I much as you like Piratis, you are never going to convince the civilised world of what you really are. You have the worst record for human rights and exploitations, each time you try and justify your actions you play the Turkish invasion card. It doesn't wash mate. Your true colours are well known around the world.

Your theory of "now we are in the EU we are civilised" is just fantasy. You were peasants before you're peasants now. Get used to it.

You have to stop fantasizing and face the reality.

Tukey and Russia were easily the worst offenders in a league table of European Court of Human Rights judgments for 2007, released Wednesday by the court's president.

Some 319 judgments finding at least one violation were issued against Ankara, eight of which concerned "torture" and 23 "inhuman or degrading treatment," according to the court's report.

Moscow was a clear second with 175 violations, followed by Ukraine (108) and Poland (101).

http://www.eubusiness.com/news-eu/1201123021.97

[Piratis]

It is a fact that the GCs have imported women from the third world to massage their ego.

There is no other country in the EU, other than Cyprus, where individuals attempt draw kudos and respect from their peers by exploiting people from the third world to pander and serve their every need.

Your peasant mentality programs you to follow these idiotic traits.

Shame on you ... you have lost all self respect and what it means to be a Cypriot.

No self-respecting Cypriot in the UK would stoop to such a low.

Me Ed, a TC who is living in the UK is coming to accuse Cypriots of "exploiting people from the third world" ?

Are you serious? Cyprus and many other territories around the world have been the victims of the Imperialist powers which you support, and even until today Cyprus continues to battle against these Imperialists who continue to want to maintain their control and troops in our island in order to exploit our country for their own interests.

And if you wanted to talk about Cypriots, then you should have first talked about the TCs, who are selling off to foreigners the properties they stole from us.

But instead of seeing this, you come to accuse Cypriots because they give employment to other people? Cyprus is the number one country in the world in terms of asylum seekers per capita. The foreign housekeepers you are talking about try to stay in Cyprus as long as they can, and even if they have to return to their homeland most of them return back with a different name. You call this "exploitation"?

Exploitation is when you invade, enslave and you take by force what belongs to others. This is what Imperialists such as the British and the Turks do, and not Cypriots.

If the Imperialists you support have not been exploiting the world for centuries, then maybe those people in the 3rd world countries would be able to have a better life in their own countries and they wouldn't need to seek employment elsewhere.

Priatis, you see how your prejudice disracted you from the fact that I am actually a GC living in the UK.

When I was last in Limassol, after a nights drinking on my way home - I was approached by numerous taxi drivers who where pimping - one even had three girls from Moldova who did not look happy and my firend and I was offered all three girls for the night for 100CYP.

The RoC has a very poor track record when it comes to people trafficking particularly when it comes to prostitution.

My cousins all have maids, even though the woman of the house does not actually work - and it's all for show. That's what I'm talking about, and their constant chatter about money and it's aquisition is very boring.

I even have one female relative staying with me at the moment and even she can't be bothered to do her bed up in the morning - is she waiting for the maid to do it?

A far cry from the behaiviour of GCs (and TCs) in the UK who have by and large maintained the values that their parents bought over to them when they emmigrated.

Maybe that's why the respective communities in London actually get along and the Cypriots in Cyprus can learn from their brothers in the UK.

Me Ed, what makes you a Greek Cypriot? Do you even have Greek as your native language?

No offense mate, but to me you seem to be mostly British. Maybe your parents are Cypriot, which would make you a British with Cypriot roots, and maybe you self-identify as Cypriot, and that is your choice, but coming here to tell us that you are the "true Cypriot" and we are not is quite ridiculous.

As I have shown to you in my earlier post if you want to talk about "exploiting the 3rd world" you have to look at your country of residence and similar Imperialists. Cyprus doesn't invade other countries to take slaves and exploit other nations.

Prostitution is the "oldest profession" and it exists everywhere. And if people want to have maids, that means more money for the maids. Capitalism was not invented in Cyprus either. Cyprus does have its share of problems but the issues you are talking about are recent, the Cyprus problem is going on since the 50s for the reasons I have already described in earlier posts. So don't confuse irrelevant things.