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[insan]

True Cypriot is someone who accepts all Cypriots as equal and allows them the freedom and access to their homeland and property

So we were all "true Cypriots" until 1964? or 1960? What abt 1950? or 1930?

[humanist]

VP .... you are becoming annooying as you throw those words about safeguards and guarantees without actually defining what you mean by those .... you have been doing this for over three years now. Its becoming a child's play am over it. Because I respect you I do not wish to ignore you however I feel I need to say am bored with your comments without offering definitions as to what you are seeking as people.

[Viewpoint]

VP .... you are becoming annooying as you throw those words about safeguards and guarantees without actually defining what you mean by those .... you have been doing this for over three years now. Its becoming a child's play am over it. Because I respect you I do not wish to ignore you however I feel I need to say am bored with your comments without offering definitions as to what you are seeking as people.

You only say this to take the easy option out of answering my concerns which makes me feel that you have ulterior motives and therefore I should ask for even more safeguards and guarantees.

Let me define again one issue Turkey Security guarantee?

Safeguard to ensure our effective say in decision making mechanism.

[kentish]

When I was growing up in London, my best friend was TC and our neighbours, who were TCs, were 'good' family friends and I played with their kids. It was no different to playing with our Pakistani friends or English friends.

Then, 1974 happened and my TC best friend started sporting a "Baby Cyprus belongs to Mama Turkey" necklace and our TC neighbours started going to trips back to "Cyprus" more frequently and started some "business transactions" ... and what can I say ... the great divide began.

I hate Turks now ....

the thing is you are an evil bitter woman ask yourself why your neighbours behaved like that.prior to 1974 they had their country taken away from them because the gc were slowly strangling the life out of tc in cyprus.they went back more often because they had freedom to go where they wanted to in their country and did not not have the fear of being treated like dogs and humiliated in the greek airports.
narrow minded people like you think of only one thing and that is yourself.carry on hating turks if it makes you feel good.
nothing you say ever suprises me

[humanist]

Thank you very much for the definition.

secondly I personally do not have an ulterior motive. I wish for a united Cyprus where all its citizens have equal rights and opportunities in all of life's domains.

The issue for Turkey as a security guarantee is that the rest of Cypriots would be seeking Greece as security guarantee. Therefore no room to move forward as has been the case for the last 30 years.

For me the issue with Greece or Turkey or any other nation being a guarantor is that it takes power away from the Federation of any country and in this case Cyprus. That is why in the past I advocated for Presidents being elected by according to the party they belong too not their ethnicity.

This may be hard belief to hold but hey that's me.

[Viewpoint]

humanist

Thank you very much for the definition.

No problem pity you did not really take in what ı have been staing for th elast 3 years and stuck with preconcieved view of me.

secondly I personally do not have an ulterior motive. I wish for a united Cyprus where all its citizens have equal rights and opportunities in all of life's domains.

Dont we all the problem is not the prnicples but who is to administer these principles you do not trust me and I do not trust you, its the balance ou have to find which is why there has not been a solution.

The issue for Turkey as a security guarantee is that the rest of Cypriots would be seeking Greece as security guarantee. Therefore no room to move forward as has been the case for the last 30 years.

For me the issue with Greece or Turkey or any other nation being a guarantor is that it takes power away from the Federation of any country and in this case Cyprus. That is why in the past I advocated for Presidents being elected by according to the party they belong too not their ethnicity.

So with Turkey out of the way and the balance in power 80% in your favor what chance do we stand? We have no way of being elected or having our voice heard we will be exposed to whatever they GCs want..which was the problem in the past.

You really need to put some concrete ideas forward that address everyone concerns rather just turn up slag us off and then say you dont want to deal with things,

[Oracle]

When I was growing up in London, my best friend was TC and our neighbours, who were TCs, were 'good' family friends and I played with their kids. It was no different to playing with our Pakistani friends or English friends.

Then, 1974 happened and my TC best friend started sporting a "Baby Cyprus belongs to Mama Turkey" necklace and our TC neighbours started going to trips back to "Cyprus" more frequently and started some "business transactions" ... and what can I say ... the great divide began.

I hate Turks now ....

the thing is you are an evil bitter woman ask yourself why your neighbours behaved like that.prior to 1974 they had their country taken away from them because the gc were slowly strangling the life out of tc in cyprus.they went back more often because they had freedom to go where they wanted to in their country and did not not have the fear of being treated like dogs and humiliated in the greek airports.
narrow minded people like you think of only one thing and that is yourself.carry on hating turks if it makes you feel good.
nothing you say ever suprises me

No they didn't give a shit about Cyprus until they could capitalise on its demise ...

[Piratis]

They only get along because they are ruled by the host country being the Brits, unlike Cyprus where theh GCs are trying to force us into the poistion of visitors in our own country exposed to their manipulative and discriminative ways.

When did this happen? We didn't touch you until you FIRST attacked us and started demanding gains on our expense and threatened us with annihilating us from half of our island. This happened in the 50s

Try this with your minority in the UK. Tell to the majority that you want for your minority there things like veto powers, 30% civil servant positions, and threaten them that you will annihilate them from half of their country. Then we will see if the rest of the British will react any better to your demands and threats than we did.

[Viewpoint]

They only get along because they are ruled by the host country being the Brits, unlike Cyprus where theh GCs are trying to force us into the poistion of visitors in our own country exposed to their manipulative and discriminative ways.

When did this happen? We didn't touch you until you FIRST attacked us and started demanding gains on our expense and threatened us with annihilating us from half of our island. This happened in the 50s

Try this with your minority in the UK. Tell to the majority that you want for your minority there things like veto powers, 30% civil servant positions, and threaten them that you will annihilate them from half of their country. Then we will see if the rest of the British will react any better to your demands and threats than we did.

Get over it we are the hosts not the visitors....only you want to turn us into visitors to be free to do as you wish.

[Piratis]

They only get along because they are ruled by the host country being the Brits, unlike Cyprus where theh GCs are trying to force us into the poistion of visitors in our own country exposed to their manipulative and discriminative ways.

When did this happen? We didn't touch you until you FIRST attacked us and started demanding gains on our expense and threatened us with annihilating us from half of our island. This happened in the 50s

Try this with your minority in the UK. Tell to the majority that you want for your minority there things like veto powers, 30% civil servant positions, and threaten them that you will annihilate them from half of their country. Then we will see if the rest of the British will react any better to your demands and threats than we did.

Get over it we are the hosts not the visitors....only you want to turn us into visitors to be free to do as you wish.

Who said you are "visitors"? Are the Greek or Kurdish minorities in Turkey "visitors"? Are the Cypriots who are British citizens and live in the UK "visitors"?

You are not "visitors", you are an ethnic minority, just like all other ethnic minorities in all other countries.

Your minority in the UK (Bulgaria, Greece, Germany, Switzerland etc) accepts to be equal citizens with all the other citizens of those countries. In Cyprus you demand Ottoman Style privileges and disproportionally large amounts of land and power on the expense of every other Cypriot.

This is the difference between UK and Cyprus when it comes to the Turkish minorities in these two countries.