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[Me Ed]

You have been given numbers by me Ed...what are you going to do with them?

Personally nothing, but do not think that your stats will not go unoticed by the International Community.

Republic of Cyprus 100% Cypriot
Occupied Areas 33% (at best) Cypriot and fallling.

Does not bode well for your cause.

But it does not detract from the fact the true Cypriots actually get along.

Were they the true Cypriots that forced me off my island and gave me a kick up the arse on the way out in 1965??? Now they want to play with numbers.....They start the exclusion of TCs and now want to claim that we are too few...Don't make me laugh.....True Cypriots have a lot to be ashamed of and should not be too eager to claim that status Then they let in half breeds like Oracle and claim her in their numbers as well.....

Zan, you see the the main issue with the Cyprus problem is that people look to the past.

I presented this thead on the grounds that in London the GCs and TCs actually get along and I see no reason why they can't in Cyprus.

When the border was opened between the two communities, did it descened into suicide bombs and mass murder? No!

As much as you try you cannot disassociate yourself from the past Ed.....As long as people like me are alive, and they are by the thousands, it is my present. You cannot complain about numbers and not include the thousands like me. That was the idea that was represented in the Akritas plan...A long term strategy to eliminate TC voters and change the demographics of the island. We posed less of a threat to politics if we were less.....Well the redress is there for all to see....When the international community look at the numbers then we remind them of the above. In civilised countries, what the GCs tried too do is vote rigging.

Zan, the whole premise of my thread is that since TCs and GCs have lived in the UK, and even through the events leading up to and after 74, they have actually got along together and done business and employed each other.

It just goes to show that on neutral ground (however you want to interpret this) Cypriots of any ethnicity can actually happily co-exist.

I think that they did under British rule once before but then the troubles started because the Church did not get what it thought it would from them. That could possibly happen soon or the TCs could be affected if it goes the other way.....Then it all starts all over again...We are being pushed too far. One side they want to talk and the other they stab us in the back.

Zan that is very well put, but you have already stated that the TCs are a minority. I think you will find that they have already been stabbed in the back and its not by the GCs.

[zan]

You have been given numbers by me Ed...what are you going to do with them?

Personally nothing, but do not think that your stats will not go unoticed by the International Community.

Republic of Cyprus 100% Cypriot
Occupied Areas 33% (at best) Cypriot and fallling.

Does not bode well for your cause.

But it does not detract from the fact the true Cypriots actually get along.

Were they the true Cypriots that forced me off my island and gave me a kick up the arse on the way out in 1965??? Now they want to play with numbers.....They start the exclusion of TCs and now want to claim that we are too few...Don't make me laugh.....True Cypriots have a lot to be ashamed of and should not be too eager to claim that status Then they let in half breeds like Oracle and claim her in their numbers as well.....

Zan, you see the the main issue with the Cyprus problem is that people look to the past.

I presented this thead on the grounds that in London the GCs and TCs actually get along and I see no reason why they can't in Cyprus.

When the border was opened between the two communities, did it descened into suicide bombs and mass murder? No!

As much as you try you cannot disassociate yourself from the past Ed.....As long as people like me are alive, and they are by the thousands, it is my present. You cannot complain about numbers and not include the thousands like me. That was the idea that was represented in the Akritas plan...A long term strategy to eliminate TC voters and change the demographics of the island. We posed less of a threat to politics if we were less.....Well the redress is there for all to see....When the international community look at the numbers then we remind them of the above. In civilised countries, what the GCs tried too do is vote rigging.

Zan, the whole premise of my thread is that since TCs and GCs have lived in the UK, and even through the events leading up to and after 74, they have actually got along together and done business and employed each other.

It just goes to show that on neutral ground (however you want to interpret this) Cypriots of any ethnicity can actually happily co-exist.

I think that they did under British rule once before but then the troubles started because the Church did not get what it thought it would from them. That could possibly happen soon or the TCs could be affected if it goes the other way.....Then it all starts all over again...We are being pushed too far. One side they want to talk and the other they stab us in the back.

Zan that is very well put, but you have already stated that the TCs are a minority. I think you will find that they have already been stabbed in the back and its not by the GCs.

I gave you those numbers so we could talk Ed. You seem not to want to carry on without them. Again...The numbers only matter to us. We have registered voters that apply to the TRNC and that has got nothing to do with others...Especially the "RoC" whose policy is to reduce our numbers anyway. We do not have Turkey breathing down our necks in the UK but still we give support to our government. It cannot be explained away with just quoting what others think of as settlers. Sure there are some TCs that don't like it but that is politics and the push of every party for dominance.

Anyway...I have a long day tomorrow and I will,pay for it by staying up this late...Good night.

[Me Ed]

Good night Zan and Insan - it's been fun!

[Piratis]

whether you poport to be a Greek or Turkish Cypriots, the only true remanents of true Cypriotnus exist only in the UK.

I don't agree with this. Cypriots that live abroad are gradually assimilated into the cultures of their host countries and became less and less Cypriots and more and more British (or whatever the host nation is).

I am not saying that this is bad, it is perfectly natural. And of course I am not saying that those people love Cyprus any less than we do. But saying that they are the only "true Cypriots" is certainly a wrong statement.

Can the TCs and GCs get along like the respective communties in London?

They could get along in exactly that way, if there were no factors beyond the relationships of individual people.

In the UK both TCs and GCs are equal British citizens. What rule exists for a TC exists for the GC. In the UK being TC doesn't grand you any privileges on the expense of GCs, and therefore people can be friends without any animosity.

Try demanding a veto power for the Turkish minority in the UK, along with having the 30% of civil servant positions, and threaten the British that you will annihilate them from half of their country in order to create some "Turkish State" on it, and then lets see how well you are going to be doing along with the majority of the population there.

This is what was going on in Cyprus in the 50s. But of course people like Zan forget all that and go directly in the 60s, acting as if nothing happened before and as if they had a right for all those unfair privileges granted to them by foreign imperialists on our expense.

So if you want TCs to get along with the rest of the Cypriots in Cyprus, just like they get along in the UK, you have to accept a democratic system like the one in the UK where all citizens will be equal without racist discriminations.

[denizaksulu]

May I just say on this, that on all my years here in London, England (and am a born and bred Londoner of more years standing than you'll ever get out of me but if you want a clue I remember trolley buses on the streets of London in my childhood), I have never seen or heard of any bad feeling betwen tissies and grissies here. Not a single incident, not an inciest, teeniest thing.

Well, the forum sure makes up for it.

Cowards

[Viewpoint]

They only get along because they are ruled by the host country being the Brits, unlike Cyprus where theh GCs are trying to force us into the poistion of visitors in our own country exposed to their manipulative and discriminative ways.

[humanist]

True Cypriot is someone who accepts all Cypriots as equal and allows them the freedom and access to their homeland and property

[Viewpoint]

True Cypriot is someone who accepts all Cypriots as equal and allows them the freedom and access to their homeland and property

Would that include ruling over them and discriminating to a degree where they feel like second class citizens in the own country? where they are placed in danger?

[humanist]

if thats how you feel about the settlers from Turkey who are three times your numbers ... you tell me

[Viewpoint]

if thats how you feel about the settlers from Turkey who are three times your numbers ... you tell me

Thats how we feel about GCs not new generation TCs...would you also be demanding safeguards and guarantees to make sure we did not discriminate and place you in danger???