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Re: Types of Turks ...

Postby denizaksulu » Tue Sep 15, 2009 8:56 am

Oracle wrote:Some are not too bad :? ... but others (Seljuk?) are really nasty! :shock:

So, how many types of Turks are there, and where are they located?

Know thine enemy ... Which are the types which occupy Cyprus?



The Selcuk/Saldjuks. werent that bad. At Malazgirt/Manzikert they defeated the Byzantines captured the emperor and set him free.

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Battle of Manzikert
Part of the Byzantine-Seljuk wars

In this 15th-century French miniature depicting the Battle of Manzikert, the combatants are clad in contemporary Western European armour.

Date August 26, 1071
Location near Manzikert, Armenia (modern Malazgirt, Turkey)
Result Decisive Seljuk victory

Belligerents
Byzantine Empire Great Seljuk Sultanate
Commanders
Romanos IV #,
Nikephoros Bryennios,
Theodore Alyates,
Andronikos Doukas Alp Arslan
Afşin Bey
Artuk Bey
Suleyman Shah
Strength
~20,000[1]
(originally 40,000[2]) ~20,000[3]
(possibly 30,000?)[2]
Casualties and losses
~2,000 dead[4]
~4,000 captured[4]
(more than half deserted) Unknown
[hide]v • d • eByzantine–Seljuk Wars

Kapetrou – 1st Manzikert – Caesarea – Iconium – 2nd Manzikert – 1st Nicaea – Seljuk campaigns in the Aegean – 2nd Nicaea – 3rd Nicaea – Philomelion – Campaigns of John I Komnenos – Myriokephalon – Hyelion and Leimocheir – Cotyaeum – Trebizond – Antalya – Antioch on the Meander

The Battle of Manzikert, or Malazgirt, was fought between the Byzantine Empire and Seljuq forces led by Alp Arslan on August 26, 1071 near Manzikert (modern Malazgirt in Muş Province, Turkey). It resulted in one of the most decisive defeats of the Byzantine Empire and the capture of the Emperor Romanos IV Diogenes.[5] The Battle of Manzikert played an important role in breaking the Byzantine resistance and preparing the way for Turkish settlement in Anatolia.[6]

The battle marked the high point of the initial Turkish incursions and was followed up two years later with a large influx of Turkish settlers and soldiers into Anatolia. However, it has been recently argued that the battle was not the slaughter that many historians, including contemporary writers, have stressed it to be. The brunt of the battle was bore by the professional soldiers from the eastern and western tagmatas, as large numbers of the mercenaries and Anatolian levies fled early and survived the battle.[7] All of the Byzantine commanders, including Romanos, survived to participate in the subsequent numerous civil conflicts that severely weakened the empire's ability to adequately defend its borders.[8] It took a decade of internal strife before Alexios I Komnenos (1081 to 1118) brought stability back to the empire."


As far as I can make out the 'bloodiest' were those that invaded India under Mahmud of Ghazni.(Kharzemshahs)
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Re: Types of Turks ...

Postby zan » Tue Sep 15, 2009 9:10 am

denizaksulu wrote:
Oracle wrote:Some are not too bad :? ... but others (Seljuk?) are really nasty! :shock:

So, how many types of Turks are there, and where are they located?

Know thine enemy ... Which are the types which occupy Cyprus?



Keep your enemy close to your heart, there they cannot harm you. :lol:


Where on earth do you find so much hatred. :twisted:


I just wrote about 15 minutes of why but I deleted the whole lot...Can't be bothered. I will only reply to her if she actually posts something interesting.... :roll:
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Re: Types of Turks ...

Postby denizaksulu » Tue Sep 15, 2009 9:15 am

zan wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Oracle wrote:Some are not too bad :? ... but others (Seljuk?) are really nasty! :shock:

So, how many types of Turks are there, and where are they located?

Know thine enemy ... Which are the types which occupy Cyprus?



Keep your enemy close to your heart, there they cannot harm you. :lol:


Where on earth do you find so much hatred. :twisted:


I just wrote about 15 minutes of why but I deleted the whole lot...Can't be bothered. I will only reply to her if she actually posts something interesting.... :roll:



Its the idiots I cant stand. Putting a list of all those they consider Turkish, shows their ignorance.

Only a Mongolian looks like a Mongolian. :roll:
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Postby Oracle » Tue Sep 15, 2009 9:58 am

Gosh ... :shock: I didn't realise the mere mention of "Turks" makes everyone associate all of them with nasty things! :roll:

Surely some (maybe most) types of Turks are just regular groups. But by your reactions, it seems you (Deniz, SSBubs, Zan) blame all of them.

Maybe there is one bad apple amongst them which is spoiling the whole bunch. Let's find out! :D

Now, the only ones I personally have any gripes with, are those who destroyed the Greek civilisation of days-gone-by, plundered Europe generally, but mostly have destroyed Cyprus and still occupy it.

OWN UP! Which type of Turk is responsible for these misdemeanours so that the rest of the Turk-types are NOT tarnished ...
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Postby denizaksulu » Tue Sep 15, 2009 10:45 am

Oracle wrote:Gosh ... :shock: I didn't realise the mere mention of "Turks" makes everyone associate all of them with nasty things! :roll:

Surely some (maybe most) types of Turks are just regular groups. But by your reactions, it seems you (Deniz, SSBubs, Zan) blame all of them.

Maybe there is one bad apple amongst them which is spoiling the whole bunch. Let's find out! :D

Now, the only ones I personally have any gripes with, are those who destroyed the Greek civilisation of days-gone-by, plundered Europe generally, but mostly have destroyed Cyprus and still occupy it.

OWN UP! Which type of Turk is responsible for these misdemeanours so that the rest of the Turk-types are NOT tarnished ...



I said those that put up lists Oracle. I know who you hate - if we are to believe you.
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Postby denizaksulu » Tue Sep 15, 2009 10:47 am

Oracle wrote:Gosh ... :shock: I didn't realise the mere mention of "Turks" makes everyone associate all of them with nasty things! :roll:

Surely some (maybe most) types of Turks are just regular groups. But by your reactions, it seems you (Deniz, SSBubs, Zan) blame all of them.

Maybe there is one bad apple amongst them which is spoiling the whole bunch. Let's find out! :D

Now, the only ones I personally have any gripes with, are those who destroyed the Greek civilisation of days-gone-by, plundered Europe generally, but mostly have destroyed Cyprus and still occupy it.

OWN UP! Which type of Turk is responsible for these misdemeanours so that the rest of the Turk-types are NOT tarnished ...



Which type? You answered your own question gori.

The bad apple!!
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Postby Oracle » Tue Sep 15, 2009 11:21 am

denizaksulu wrote:
Oracle wrote:Gosh ... :shock: I didn't realise the mere mention of "Turks" makes everyone associate all of them with nasty things! :roll:

Surely some (maybe most) types of Turks are just regular groups. But by your reactions, it seems you (Deniz, SSBubs, Zan) blame all of them.

Maybe there is one bad apple amongst them which is spoiling the whole bunch. Let's find out! :D

Now, the only ones I personally have any gripes with, are those who destroyed the Greek civilisation of days-gone-by, plundered Europe generally, but mostly have destroyed Cyprus and still occupy it.

OWN UP! Which type of Turk is responsible for these misdemeanours so that the rest of the Turk-types are NOT tarnished ...



Which type? You answered your own question gori.

The bad apple!!


Well, which group is responsible (bad apple) for the above atrocities and especially which of the Turkic tribes has invaded Cyprus?

Here is Yialousa's list of Turks... Point the finger at the blighter, Deniz!

yialousa1971 wrote:The Caucasian Mongoloids

- the Balkar and Karachai
- the Nogais
- the Karapapak
- the Caucasian Osmanli
- the Turkoman
- the Kumyck

Mongol tribes

- the Kalmuck
- the Kaitak

The Mongoloids of Asia and Europe

Finnic tribes
- the Ugrians
- Western Finns
- Baltic Finns
- the Permians
- the Bulgarian Finns
- the Chuvash
- Slavonized Finns
- the Lapps

The Samoyed

The Turkic tribes

- the Yakut
- the Tatars of Tobolsk
- the Tatars of Tomsk
- the Altain Tatars
- the Karagas

The Mongolic tribes

- the Buryat

- The Tungus
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Postby denizaksulu » Tue Sep 15, 2009 11:25 am

Oracle wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Oracle wrote:Gosh ... :shock: I didn't realise the mere mention of "Turks" makes everyone associate all of them with nasty things! :roll:

Surely some (maybe most) types of Turks are just regular groups. But by your reactions, it seems you (Deniz, SSBubs, Zan) blame all of them.

Maybe there is one bad apple amongst them which is spoiling the whole bunch. Let's find out! :D

Now, the only ones I personally have any gripes with, are those who destroyed the Greek civilisation of days-gone-by, plundered Europe generally, but mostly have destroyed Cyprus and still occupy it.

OWN UP! Which type of Turk is responsible for these misdemeanours so that the rest of the Turk-types are NOT tarnished ...



Which type? You answered your own question gori.

The bad apple!!


Well, which group is responsible (bad apple) for the above atrocities and especially which of the Turkic tribes has invaded Cyprus?

Here is Yialousa's list of Turks... Point the finger at the blighter, Deniz!

yialousa1971 wrote:The Caucasian Mongoloids

- the Balkar and Karachai
- the Nogais
- the Karapapak
- the Caucasian Osmanli
- the Turkoman
- the Kumyck

Mongol tribes

- the Kalmuck
- the Kaitak

The Mongoloids of Asia and Europe

Finnic tribes
- the Ugrians
- Western Finns
- Baltic Finns
- the Permians
- the Bulgarian Finns
- the Chuvash
- Slavonized Finns
- the Lapps

The Samoyed

The Turkic tribes

- the Yakut
- the Tatars of Tobolsk
- the Tatars of Tomsk
- the Altain Tatars
- the Karagas

The Mongolic tribes

- the Buryat

- The Tungus



One notable group is missing. Those converts from Christianity (eg GO).
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Postby Oracle » Tue Sep 15, 2009 11:34 am

denizaksulu wrote:
Oracle wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Oracle wrote:Gosh ... :shock: I didn't realise the mere mention of "Turks" makes everyone associate all of them with nasty things! :roll:

Surely some (maybe most) types of Turks are just regular groups. But by your reactions, it seems you (Deniz, SSBubs, Zan) blame all of them.

Maybe there is one bad apple amongst them which is spoiling the whole bunch. Let's find out! :D

Now, the only ones I personally have any gripes with, are those who destroyed the Greek civilisation of days-gone-by, plundered Europe generally, but mostly have destroyed Cyprus and still occupy it.

OWN UP! Which type of Turk is responsible for these misdemeanours so that the rest of the Turk-types are NOT tarnished ...



Which type? You answered your own question gori.

The bad apple!!


Well, which group is responsible (bad apple) for the above atrocities and especially which of the Turkic tribes has invaded Cyprus?

Here is Yialousa's list of Turks... Point the finger at the blighter, Deniz!

yialousa1971 wrote:The Caucasian Mongoloids

- the Balkar and Karachai
- the Nogais
- the Karapapak
- the Caucasian Osmanli
- the Turkoman
- the Kumyck

Mongol tribes

- the Kalmuck
- the Kaitak

The Mongoloids of Asia and Europe

Finnic tribes
- the Ugrians
- Western Finns
- Baltic Finns
- the Permians
- the Bulgarian Finns
- the Chuvash
- Slavonized Finns
- the Lapps

The Samoyed

The Turkic tribes

- the Yakut
- the Tatars of Tobolsk
- the Tatars of Tomsk
- the Altain Tatars
- the Karagas

The Mongolic tribes

- the Buryat

- The Tungus



One notable group is missing. Those converts from Christianity (eg GO).


Apparently they were a Myth ... Your greedy Pashas turned down any such requests so that they did not lose out on revenue.

So, are you going to bravely tell us which one of those groups invaded Cyprus (and previously plundered Europe) or are you going to hide behind the skirts of all of them?
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Postby denizaksulu » Tue Sep 15, 2009 11:46 am

Oracle wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Oracle wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Oracle wrote:Gosh ... :shock: I didn't realise the mere mention of "Turks" makes everyone associate all of them with nasty things! :roll:

Surely some (maybe most) types of Turks are just regular groups. But by your reactions, it seems you (Deniz, SSBubs, Zan) blame all of them.

Maybe there is one bad apple amongst them which is spoiling the whole bunch. Let's find out! :D

Now, the only ones I personally have any gripes with, are those who destroyed the Greek civilisation of days-gone-by, plundered Europe generally, but mostly have destroyed Cyprus and still occupy it.

OWN UP! Which type of Turk is responsible for these misdemeanours so that the rest of the Turk-types are NOT tarnished ...



Which type? You answered your own question gori.

The bad apple!!


Well, which group is responsible (bad apple) for the above atrocities and especially which of the Turkic tribes has invaded Cyprus?

Here is Yialousa's list of Turks... Point the finger at the blighter, Deniz!

yialousa1971 wrote:The Caucasian Mongoloids

- the Balkar and Karachai
- the Nogais
- the Karapapak
- the Caucasian Osmanli
- the Turkoman
- the Kumyck

Mongol tribes

- the Kalmuck
- the Kaitak

The Mongoloids of Asia and Europe

Finnic tribes
- the Ugrians
- Western Finns
- Baltic Finns
- the Permians
- the Bulgarian Finns
- the Chuvash
- Slavonized Finns
- the Lapps

The Samoyed

The Turkic tribes

- the Yakut
- the Tatars of Tobolsk
- the Tatars of Tomsk
- the Altain Tatars
- the Karagas

The Mongolic tribes

- the Buryat

- The Tungus



One notable group is missing. Those converts from Christianity (eg GO).


Apparently they were a Myth ... Your greedy Pashas turned down any such requests so that they did not lose out on revenue.

So, are you going to bravely tell us which one of those groups invaded Cyprus (and previously plundered Europe) or are you going to hide behind the skirts of all of them?



The Yeniceri's (Janisseries) were no Myth Oracle. They were all Christian donme/renegades.
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