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Turkish Cypriot columnist says the breakaway regime has been founded on plunder

Writing in Turkish Cypriot daily Afrika newspaper (13.09.09) under the title “Its foundation is plunder”, Turkish Cypriot journalist Ali Osman reports, inter alia, the following:

“It is considered that the impasse in the Cyprus problem will last forever. The Turkish Cypriots who abandoned their homes and villages in 1963 were not able to return to their homes, villages, that is, to their properties. Those who attempted to return were beaten up and threatened. The order for ‘abandoning the homes and properties’ has been given by the TMT with the pretext of ‘life safety’.

Behind this there was the propaganda of the Turkish leadership that ‘The Greeks banished the Turkish Cypriots from their villages and properties’, in order to prove to the world that it had right rather than the safety of the Turkish Cypriots. Even if it seemed like that in the beginning, afterwards those who wanted to return to their villages and homes were not permitted to do so. Meanwhile, many have been registered as fighters and were linked to a salary.

The fact that dynamite exploded at the house of the Minister of Health of the Republic of Cyprus, Niyazi Manyera, after he insisted to return to his duty in spite of the fact that he was warned not to go, is a well-known reality. The same is valid for the fact that he who exploded the dynamite is still alive.

Anyway, the Turkish Cypriots, who abandoned their homes and properties in 1963, could say that ‘this is my property and my house’, as soon as things relaxed.

Together with those who returned to their villages risking everything, there were also some others who returned and stayed for a certain period of time. Then these properties were not considered plunder.

The movable and immovable properties left by the Greek Cypriots who were banished, killed, murdered or intimidated and forced to run away, have been seized saying that ‘it is plunder and it is legitimate’.

The state called TRNC, before which the Turkish Cypriot Federate State (KTFD) existed, has been built on the foundation of this plunder.

May be today and for a long period of time afterwards, unearned profit will continue to be secured from this plunder, but in the end, even if the north remains to Turkey, even if a separate state is created, these properties will be returned to their real owners or their inheritors.

Do not take into consideration those who talk through their hat. They are the ones who live for the day.

I am not saying that a solution to the Cyprus problem will be reached. I am only saying that the property issue will be solved and this means that the TRNC shop will be closed down. …”.
(I/Ts.)

[Tim Drayton]

For a different view, Martin Packard says on page 133 of Getting It Wrong (in a chapter entitled 'Review of December/January[1963-4]):

The Greek Cypriots claimed that in virtually every case when the Turkish Cypriots evacuated a village they did so on orders, or under pressure, from the Turkish Cypriot leadership, either TMT or political. The Turkish Cypriots claimed that their communities were evacuating solely because the people feared for their lives or because the Greek Cypriots had so isolated those communities, by hampering their freedom of movement and communication, that normal existence was no longer possible. The Greek Cypriots counter-charged that TMT was pursuing a policy aimed at the maintenance of fear within the Turkish Cypriot communities in mixed areas, in order to further the process of ghetto-isation.

These contentions, each containing some partial truth, were duly amplified for propaganda purposes.

[YFred]

For a different view, Martin Packard says on page 133 of Getting It Wrong (in a chapter entitled 'Review of December/January[1963-4]):

The Greek Cypriots claimed that in virtually every case when the Turkish Cypriots evacuated a village they did so on orders, or under pressure, from the Turkish Cypriot leadership, either TMT or political. The Turkish Cypriots claimed that their communities were evacuating solely because the people feared for their lives or because the Greek Cypriots had so isolated those communities, by hampering their freedom of movement and communication, that normal existence was no longer possible. The Greek Cypriots counter-charged that TMT was pursuing a policy aimed at the maintenance of fear within the Turkish Cypriot communities in mixed areas, in order to further the process of ghetto-isation.

These contentions, each containing some partial truth, were duly amplified for propaganda purposes.

Just goes to show how wrong some people can be. In Lurucina there was 2000 refugees and if they could most would have returned to their villages, if they had security in their homes. They chose to wait until 74 and move to the north.
It needs no further explanation.

[zan]

It seems Africa are just desperate now........What a bunch of plonkers!!!!

[Expatkiwi]

It seems Africa are just desperate now........What a bunch of plonkers!!!!

Maybe, but Freedom of the Press is something that cannot just be set aside because you and I don't happen to agree with what one paper says.

[Get Real!]

Just goes to show how wrong some people can be. In Lurucina there was 2000 refugees and if they could most would have returned to their villages, if they had security in their homes. They chose to wait until 74 and move to the north.
It needs no further explanation.

From... “Populations of the Occupied Villages and Districts”

Louroudjina:

GC 1963......GC 1974......TC 1963......TC 1974

......0................0..............1547...........1963

http://www.greece.org/cyprus/Villages.htm

From 1963 to 1974, the population of Louroujina increased by just 416 people!

Now, without knowing how many of these 416 were part of the natural birth rate increase, I wonder how many of these were “refugees” Y-Fronts?

Your 2000 figure looks more like you’ve taken the whole population of Louroujina and given them refugee status!

[zan]

It seems Africa are just desperate now........What a bunch of plonkers!!!!

Maybe, but Freedom of the Press is something that cannot just be set aside because you and I don't happen to agree with what one paper says.

I just called them plonkers....They can carry on making plonkers of themselves for as long as they like....I said nothing about censorship...

[YFred]

Just goes to show how wrong some people can be. In Lurucina there was 2000 refugees and if they could most would have returned to their villages, if they had security in their homes. They chose to wait until 74 and move to the north.
It needs no further explanation.

From... “Populations of the Occupied Villages and Districts”

Louroudjina:

GC 1963......GC 1974......TC 1963......TC 1974

......0................0..............1547...........1963

http://www.greece.org/cyprus/Villages.htm

From 1963 to 1974, the population of Louroujina increased by just 416 people!

Now, without knowing how many of these 416 were part of the natural birth rate increase, I wonder how many of these were “refugees” Y-Fronts?

Your 2000 figure looks more like you’ve taken the whole population of Louroujina and given them refugee status!

Listen here Plonker, In that timescale, the TC population of Dali, Bodmya, Aysozomeno, Piroi, Petrofan and Goshi make 416?
What are you?
What have you done with the villages you megalomaniac? A bit ethnic cleansing hey?
I only see Piroi mentioned with a low figure, and Bodmya and Dali TCs never existed? Goshi and Petrofan the same?
This is how you calculate low figures for land too I guess. But it’s coming, a very rude awakening is coming your way, soon.

[Get Real!]

Just goes to show how wrong some people can be. In Lurucina there was 2000 refugees and if they could most would have returned to their villages, if they had security in their homes. They chose to wait until 74 and move to the north.
It needs no further explanation.

From... “Populations of the Occupied Villages and Districts”

Louroudjina:

GC 1963......GC 1974......TC 1963......TC 1974

......0................0..............1547...........1963

http://www.greece.org/cyprus/Villages.htm

From 1963 to 1974, the population of Louroujina increased by just 416 people!

Now, without knowing how many of these 416 were part of the natural birth rate increase, I wonder how many of these were “refugees” Y-Fronts?

Your 2000 figure looks more like you’ve taken the whole population of Louroujina and given them refugee status!

Listen here Plonker, In that timescale, the TC population of Dali, Bodmya, Aysozomeno, Piroi, Petrofan and Goshi make 416?
What are you?
What have you done with the villages you megalomaniac? A bit ethnic cleansing hey?
I only see Piroi mentioned with a low figure, and Bodmya and Dali TCs never existed? Goshi and Petrofan the same?
This is how you calculate low figures for land too I guess. But it’s coming, a very rude awakening is coming your way, soon.

The title of the table again… “Populations of the Occupied Villages and Districts” so I’m not surprised that Dali, Bodamia, and some others you mention are not included in the table given that they’re in the unoccupied section of Cyprus!

You’re not reading posts carefully are you?

My point is regarding YOUR home town Louroujina, which DOES exist in the table but the “refugee” figures you claim do NOT match what this table gives… in fact they’re not even close!

Anyway, I’m not going to take this any further because it’s not worth any more of our time but just keep in mind that any time you claim a figure or figures, I can always check your story for validity so do your homework right next time!

[YFred]

Just goes to show how wrong some people can be. In Lurucina there was 2000 refugees and if they could most would have returned to their villages, if they had security in their homes. They chose to wait until 74 and move to the north.
It needs no further explanation.

From... “Populations of the Occupied Villages and Districts”

Louroudjina:

GC 1963......GC 1974......TC 1963......TC 1974

......0................0..............1547...........1963

http://www.greece.org/cyprus/Villages.htm

From 1963 to 1974, the population of Louroujina increased by just 416 people!

Now, without knowing how many of these 416 were part of the natural birth rate increase, I wonder how many of these were “refugees” Y-Fronts?

Your 2000 figure looks more like you’ve taken the whole population of Louroujina and given them refugee status!

Listen here Plonker, In that timescale, the TC population of Dali, Bodmya, Aysozomeno, Piroi, Petrofan and Goshi make 416?
What are you?
What have you done with the villages you megalomaniac? A bit ethnic cleansing hey?
I only see Piroi mentioned with a low figure, and Bodmya and Dali TCs never existed? Goshi and Petrofan the same?
This is how you calculate low figures for land too I guess. But it’s coming, a very rude awakening is coming your way, soon.

The title of the table again… “Populations of the Occupied Villages and Districts” so I’m not surprised that Dali, Bodamia, and some others you mention are not included in the table given that they’re in the unoccupied section of Cyprus!

You’re not reading posts carefully are you?

My point is regarding YOUR home town Louroujina, which DOES exist in the table but the “refugee” figures you claim do NOT match what this table gives… in fact they’re not even close!

Anyway, I’m not going to take this any further because it’s not worth any more of our time but just keep in mind that any time you claim a figure or figures, I can always check your story for validity so do your homework right next time!

You can do what you like, as if I ever gave a shit. You'll find that those figures do not include any refugees, even after migration, pillock.
Just the Isozomeno people that came to Lurucina were more that 200 in 1963. They all had 6+ kids each.
Take your hellenic glasses off and please spell Lurucina correctly not the English/Greek way. Thankyou.