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Just goes to show how wrong some people can be. In Lurucina there was 2000 refugees and if they could most would have returned to their villages, if they had security in their homes. They chose to wait until 74 and move to the north.
It needs no further explanation.

From... “Populations of the Occupied Villages and Districts”

Louroudjina:

GC 1963......GC 1974......TC 1963......TC 1974

......0................0..............1547...........1963

http://www.greece.org/cyprus/Villages.htm

From 1963 to 1974, the population of Louroujina increased by just 416 people!

Now, without knowing how many of these 416 were part of the natural birth rate increase, I wonder how many of these were “refugees” Y-Fronts?

Your 2000 figure looks more like you’ve taken the whole population of Louroujina and given them refugee status!

Listen here Plonker, In that timescale, the TC population of Dali, Bodmya, Aysozomeno, Piroi, Petrofan and Goshi make 416?
What are you?
What have you done with the villages you megalomaniac? A bit ethnic cleansing hey?
I only see Piroi mentioned with a low figure, and Bodmya and Dali TCs never existed? Goshi and Petrofan the same?
This is how you calculate low figures for land too I guess. But it’s coming, a very rude awakening is coming your way, soon.

The title of the table again… “Populations of the Occupied Villages and Districts” so I’m not surprised that Dali, Bodamia, and some others you mention are not included in the table given that they’re in the unoccupied section of Cyprus!

You’re not reading posts carefully are you?

My point is regarding YOUR home town Louroujina, which DOES exist in the table but the “refugee” figures you claim do NOT match what this table gives… in fact they’re not even close!

Anyway, I’m not going to take this any further because it’s not worth any more of our time but just keep in mind that any time you claim a figure or figures, I can always check your story for validity so do your homework right next time!

You can do what you like, as if I ever gave a shit. You'll find that those figures do not include any refugees, even after migration, pillock.
Just the Isozomeno people that came to Lurucina were more that 200 in 1963. They all had 6+ kids each.
Take your hellenic glasses off and please spell Lurucina correctly not the English/Greek way. Thankyou.

I already know you don’t give a shit because your standards are so low.

As for the names of places... I go by the recognized GC version of names and you by the chewed up Gypsy-Greek that your family taught you.

ie: Isozomeno (incorrect)

Ayios Sozomenos (correct)

[Tim Drayton]

Is it not also true that a small number of TCs remained in Dhali and Potamia after these villages were evacuated? As far as I know, both villages have a small TC population today.

[YFred]

Is it not also true that a small number of TCs remained in Dhali and Potamia after these villages were evacuated? As far as I know, both villages have a small TC population today.

Other than one TC that moved back in 1963, few TCs did move back into both Dali and Bodamya in the 90s.

[Tim Drayton]

YFred, you may find this interesting, if you have not seen it before:

http://www.kibrispostasi.com/index.php/ ... IS_POSTASI

[YFred]

YFred, you may find this interesting, if you have not seen it before:

http://www.kibrispostasi.com/index.php/ ... IS_POSTASI

Thanks for that. May Ali Civciv rest in peace. I new him. Sorry to hear he no longer is with us.
Kizilyurek captured the atmosphere of Lurucina in the 60s very well. The little sod (Kizilyurek) never returned my empty wallet I lent him for a play we were in. To this day I am not comfortable with his description of Lurucina as a getto. Even though they had huge difficulties after moving to Lurucina.

[EricSeans]

Is it not also true that a small number of TCs remained in Dhali and Potamia after these villages were evacuated? As far as I know, both villages have a small TC population today.

Other than one TC that moved back in 1963, few TCs did move back into both Dali and Bodamya in the 90s.

I certainly met TCs in Potamia recently sitting in the coffee shop chatting away with GCs. I spent a day down there interviewing and being shown around the place. I was there about 10 years ago and things seemed much the same. The youngest bloke was in his 40s and they said there was a drive to get more young TCs/GCs to settle there with land/tax incentives. What struck me as I was leaving was that although there were more GCs than TCs in the coffee shop they kept playing Turkish music.

The contrast between Potamia and Pyla/Pile was interesting as I did a lot of interviewing in both communities 10 years ago. There seemed to be underlying tension in Pyla back then with UN very watchful of cameras and TCs youngsters making it clear visitors were not welcome in their quarter. The Turkish soldier on the hill was waving his gun at us as well, as I recall. Reading the news feature I wrote at the time, aimed at a UK readership, makes you realise how some things have changed yet so much remains the same.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_q ... n13940629/

[Tim Drayton]

YFred, you may find this interesting, if you have not seen it before:

http://www.kibrispostasi.com/index.php/ ... IS_POSTASI

Thanks for that. May Ali Civciv rest in peace. I new him. Sorry to hear he no longer is with us.
Kizilyurek captured the atmosphere of Lurucina in the 60s very well. The little sod (Kizilyurek) never returned my empty wallet I lent him for a play we were in. To this day I am not comfortable with his description of Lurucina as a getto. Even though they had huge difficulties after moving to Lurucina.

I think the Turkish word 'geto' as used in the article corresponds to 'enclave'.

[Tim Drayton]

Just goes to show how wrong some people can be. In Lurucina there was 2000 refugees and if they could most would have returned to their villages, if they had security in their homes. They chose to wait until 74 and move to the north.
It needs no further explanation.

From... “Populations of the Occupied Villages and Districts”

Louroudjina:

GC 1963......GC 1974......TC 1963......TC 1974

......0................0..............1547...........1963

http://www.greece.org/cyprus/Villages.htm

From 1963 to 1974, the population of Louroujina increased by just 416 people!

Now, without knowing how many of these 416 were part of the natural birth rate increase, I wonder how many of these were “refugees” Y-Fronts?

Your 2000 figure looks more like you’ve taken the whole population of Louroujina and given them refugee status!

You have got the wrong figures there. It is a documented fact that refugees from Louroujina [Akıncılar, Λουρουτζίνα] were resettled in Argaki [Akçay, Αργάκι] following the 1974 invasion. The 1974 population figure that you quote is obviously the population after the refugees were resettled.

In his eyewitness account based on a visit to the Louroujina on 7 February 1974, Martin Packard says on page 151 of Getting It Wrong :

The whole town, swollen by refugees to about four thousand, was seething with armed men.

[YFred]

Just goes to show how wrong some people can be. In Lurucina there was 2000 refugees and if they could most would have returned to their villages, if they had security in their homes. They chose to wait until 74 and move to the north.
It needs no further explanation.

From... “Populations of the Occupied Villages and Districts”

Louroudjina:

GC 1963......GC 1974......TC 1963......TC 1974

......0................0..............1547...........1963

http://www.greece.org/cyprus/Villages.htm

From 1963 to 1974, the population of Louroujina increased by just 416 people!

Now, without knowing how many of these 416 were part of the natural birth rate increase, I wonder how many of these were “refugees” Y-Fronts?

Your 2000 figure looks more like you’ve taken the whole population of Louroujina and given them refugee status!

You have got the wrong figures there. It is a documented fact that refugees from Louroujina [Akıncılar, Λουρουτζίνα] were resettled in Argaki [Akçay, Αργάκι] following the 1974 invasion. The 1974 population figure that you quote is obviously the population after the refugees were resettled.

In his eyewitness account based on a visit to the Louroujina on 7 February 1974, Martin Packard says on page 151 of Getting It Wrong :

The whole town, swollen by refugees to about four thousand, was seething with armed men.

I am glad that our figures with Packard tally up, so 2 fingers to GR and his crap roc figures.
GR knows it all Tim. What do I know; I only lived there at the time.

Not that I agree with Packards comment. I think he meant to say that it was seething with men with soldier uniforms. Arms came much later via smuggling.

There were 2 holes dug up in the ground the size of a grave about 2 feet deep, where the arms were stashed up. That was the amount of arms in 1963 before they were able to smuggle more arms into the village.

[Tim Drayton]

Just goes to show how wrong some people can be. In Lurucina there was 2000 refugees and if they could most would have returned to their villages, if they had security in their homes. They chose to wait until 74 and move to the north.
It needs no further explanation.

From... “Populations of the Occupied Villages and Districts”

Louroudjina:

GC 1963......GC 1974......TC 1963......TC 1974

......0................0..............1547...........1963

http://www.greece.org/cyprus/Villages.htm

From 1963 to 1974, the population of Louroujina increased by just 416 people!

Now, without knowing how many of these 416 were part of the natural birth rate increase, I wonder how many of these were “refugees” Y-Fronts?

Your 2000 figure looks more like you’ve taken the whole population of Louroujina and given them refugee status!

You have got the wrong figures there. It is a documented fact that refugees from Louroujina [Akıncılar, Λουρουτζίνα] were resettled in Argaki [Akçay, Αργάκι] following the 1974 invasion. The 1974 population figure that you quote is obviously the population after the refugees were resettled.

In his eyewitness account based on a visit to the Louroujina on 7 February 1974, Martin Packard says on page 151 of Getting It Wrong :

The whole town, swollen by refugees to about four thousand, was seething with armed men.

I am glad that our figures with Packard tally up, so 2 fingers to GR and his crap roc figures.
GR knows it all Tim. What do I know; I only lived there at the time.

Not that I agree with Packards comment. I think he meant to say that it was seething with men with soldier uniforms. Arms came much later via smuggling.

There were 2 holes dug up in the ground the size of a grave about 2 feet deep, where the arms were stashed up. That was the amount of arms in 1963 before they were able to smuggle more arms into the village.

I think you are being a bit disingenous about arms, though. Surely the Turkish deep state had been clandestinely flooding the island with arms well in advance the conflict that it expected to erupt and helped to foment.