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[Sotos]

Be it a "real TC" or an "unreal TC"(Who r they?). TCs r TCs.

All Turks were brought to our island as settlers after Turkish invasions and occupations of our island. This is the Turkish expansionism which created the problems to Cyprus. This is why for "TCs" it is so easy to give the Cypriot title to anybody that lives in our island for a few years. Because they can not understand what being Cypriot means since they have never been Cypriots themselves. For them a Turkish Settler that comes to Cyprus is called Cypriot!! This is what they think Cypriot means because they don't know any better.

[insan]

[quote}No, it does not indicate that... it only indicates our ancestral ties... as for would annexation of TRNC to Turkey be harmful; it depends on many factors. Why do u think it would be harmful?

Because Turkish Cypriots by and large are more European in outlook than Mainland Turks, particularly those from Anatolia. IMHO annexation will lead to large-scale Anatolian immigration, thus eventually overwhelming the Turkish Cypriot identity.

I agree with u that TCs by and large are more European in outlook than Mainland Turks, particularly those from Anatolia. I personally don't care abt outlook of people except some females I fancy.

In case of annexation with Turkey, preventing or allowing the large scale of Anatolian or Russian, British, Mongolian etc immigration depends on TC politicians.

25-30 years lasted immigration from Anatolia to Northern Cyprus arise from socio-economic circumstances of Northern Cyprus.

I've been living in Northern Cyprus fro 40 years and still the dominant cultural identity is TC cultural identity. Overwhelmin majority of Anatolian settlers, particularly those who came when they were child or born in Northern Cyprus completely absorbed cultural identity of TCs.

[EricSeans]

[quote}No, it does not indicate that... it only indicates our ancestral ties... as for would annexation of TRNC to Turkey be harmful; it depends on many factors. Why do u think it would be harmful?

Because Turkish Cypriots by and large are more European in outlook than Mainland Turks, particularly those from Anatolia. IMHO annexation will lead to large-scale Anatolian immigration, thus eventually overwhelming the Turkish Cypriot identity.[/quote]

Are you suggesting large-scale Anatolian immigration has not already overwhelmed the Turkish Cypriot identity? How often have you visited the north of Cyprus? Ever lived there?

[Viewpoint]

What is it to Gcs? this is our problem and if it is viewed that way.

[Tim Drayton]

No, it does not indicate that... it only indicates our ancestral ties... as for would annexation of TRNC to Turkey be harmful; it depends on many factors. Why do u think it would be harmful?

Because Turkish Cypriots by and large are more European in outlook than Mainland Turks, particularly those from Anatolia. IMHO annexation will lead to large-scale Anatolian immigration, thus eventually overwhelming the Turkish Cypriot identity.

This is what is happening now.

[zan]

No, it does not indicate that... it only indicates our ancestral ties... as for would annexation of TRNC to Turkey be harmful; it depends on many factors. Why do u think it would be harmful?

Because Turkish Cypriots by and large are more European in outlook than Mainland Turks, particularly those from Anatolia. IMHO annexation will lead to large-scale Anatolian immigration, thus eventually overwhelming the Turkish Cypriot identity.

This is what is happening now.

It used to make my blood boil as a teenager when my father used to say that Cyprus had the best of everything and everyone else stank. Later on in life I thought it was just a ploy to put me off marrying outside the Turkish community and I sort of understood his fears. He still thinks that "Blacks" are the worst people in the world but does not always express his feelings after a few heated discussions with me. I am REALLY beginning to think that the so called "Cypriots" have an inferiority complex and that is why, now that they have left the farms behind and are walking upright, they want to pull up the ladder after their escape.....What a bunch of bloody hypocrites. FFS

[zan]

Come on then.....At least have the gts to defend yourselves...Be it GC or TC....I am beginning to appreciate the BNP for at least being honest about their racism....

[Tim Drayton]

What is racist about the proposition that migrants have an influence on the culture of their host country? The degree of influence that they exert will clearly vary in direct proportion to their size as a group. If a particular group of migrants outnumbers the indigenous population by a ratio of about 4:1 then it is clear that the indigenous culture will be replaced by that of the migrants. This is not racism; it is sociology.

[zan]

What is racist about the proposition that migrants have an influence on the culture of their host country? The degree of influence that they exert will clearly vary in direct proportion to their size as a group. If a particular group of migrants outnumbers the indigenous population by a ratio of about 4:1 then it is clear that the indigenous culture will be replaced by that of the migrants. This is not racism; it is sociology.

And Cyprus is such a stable place that a butterfly flapping its wings in Australia will upset the balance...

It's the use of the word Anantolian, spat out like poison that is getting on my nerves Tim. It's not that the "Cypriot" has not had this kind of problem before and if you give me one pure blooded nation then I will agree with you. What will hapen in Cyprus after an agreement Tim....Does Cyprus need more people...Yes! What is this...A fetish about self destruction.."I want to chose the way I go. I don't like surprises"....It's ok to have a little Pakistani tending our garden and bowing and scraping but not a Turk who has more of a foot in Cyprus.....I really am getting fed up with this snobbery from both sides.....Its ok for GCs to swell in numbers in Harringay so much so that the TC candidate is too chicken shit to say what he really thinks but not in little old Cyprus. Its ok for "Cypriots" to have gambling dens disguised as Sports clubs all over the UK but not for others to set foot n their precious land.....

[Tim Drayton]

What is racist about the proposition that migrants have an influence on the culture of their host country? The degree of influence that they exert will clearly vary in direct proportion to their size as a group. If a particular group of migrants outnumbers the indigenous population by a ratio of about 4:1 then it is clear that the indigenous culture will be replaced by that of the migrants. This is not racism; it is sociology.

And Cyprus is such a stable place that a butterfly flapping its wings in Australia will upset the balance...

It's the use of the word Anantolian, spat out like poison that is getting on my nerves Tim. It's not that the "Cypriot" has not had this kind of problem before and if you give me one pure blooded nation then I will agree with you. What will hapen in Cyprus after an agreement Tim....Does Cyprus need more people...Yes! What is this...A fetish about self destruction.."I want to chose the way I go. I don't like surprises"....It's ok to have a little Pakistani tending our garden and bowing and scraping but not a Turk who has more of a foot in Cyprus.....I really am getting fed up with this snobbery from both sides.....Its ok for GCs to swell in numbers in Harringay so much so that the TC candidate is too chicken shit to say what he really thinks but not in little old Cyprus. Its ok for "Cypriots" to have gambling dens disguised as Sports clubs all over the UK but not for others to set foot n their precious land.....

This a 'wood and trees' situation. If we examine the issue at the level of individual migrants, we have to do so from a humanitarian standpoint. However, we must not fail to see the wood for the trees. The bigger picture is that Turkey controls north Cyprus (see many ECHR judgments to this effect) and has operated a conscious policy there of encouraging TC emigration and Turkish immigration to fundamentally alter the demography.