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[yialousa1971]

"A Dark Age Descends upon Greece
Around 1200 BCE, Dorian Greeks -- who had been living just north of Greece and spoke a dialect different from the Mycenae Greeks -- began the first of their invasions into the Greek peninsula. They bypassed some areas but overran much of the Mycenae civilization that had spread into the central part of the Greek mainland. They looted and destroyed palaces and sent people fleeing, some eastward to Asia Minor, some southeast to nearby islands and to Cyprus.

Had the Dorians been Greeks, they would’ve never…

1. Spoken a different “dialect” because there were no other Greek dialects back then. What they did speak was a different LANGUAGE but someone chose to call it a "dialect"!

2. Launched a full scale invasion and occupation, against their “own kind”! That’s ridiculous!

3. Looted and destroyed palaces had they observed the same Gods and/or top leadership! (High command)

Seeing that they spoke different, wrote different, had their own high command, had no respect for the Mycenaean palaces, Gods, and culture by utterly destroying it, proves beyond any reasonable doubt that these people did NOT belong to the same group they were attacking. It doesn’t make sense otherwise!

The “three major Greek tribes” is yet another fabrication of the 18th century “historians” who were hell-bent on closing up all likely loop-holes of discontinuity by claiming that even those who totally trashed the Mycenaeans were… like-Mycenaeans!!! It’s the biggest load of rubbish I’ve ever read!

And finally, Herodotus whom the modern “Greeks” regard as the "Father of History" (and where they get all their historical “facts” from) was in fact the biggest liar on the planet! (but more on this mythological jerk in another thread)

What language were they speaking then, don't tell me Slavic? What sites you reading now, Albanian, Skopian or Turkish.

[Oracle]

Andreani R. Kyrri,1 Xenia Felekis,2 Eleni Kalogerou,1 Barbara J. Wild,3 Loukas Kythreotis,1 Marios Phylactides,2 and Marina Kleanthous2

Not interested in anything they have to say.

Why?

... because they cite evidence?

I didn't read past their names.

Well that's the problem with you. You make stuff up, you jump to conclusions and you refuse to read the most recent findings through peer-reviewed research cited in the most prestigious academic journals!

You are a lost cause and for whom "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing" was written for.

About your other post above ... Ancient Greece had many dialect variations of Greek due to regional isolation (Cyprus has a number and it's so tiny in comparison) .... They were ONE and the same language however! So the rest of your garbage is just more unfounded personal imaginings.

[Piratis]

I’ll tell you what Piratis, be my guest and prove that “Cyprus is Greek”!

Greek language, Greek religion, Greek culture and most importantly a Greek identity of the vast majority of the population, now and for 1000s of years. What more proof do you want?

Is that it? I buried all that ages ago...

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=23213

I replied to the thread you linked

GR, your arguments are quite shallow and very easy to defeat. It is obvious that your position is politically motivated and not based on historical facts.

[CBBB]

I’ll tell you what Piratis, be my guest and prove that “Cyprus is Greek”!

Greek language, Greek religion, Greek culture and most importantly a Greek identity of the vast majority of the population, now and for 1000s of years. What more proof do you want?

Is that it? I buried all that ages ago...

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=23213

I replied to the thread you linked

GR, your arguments are quite shallow and very easy to defeat. It is obvious that your position is politically motivated and not based on historical facts.

Never let the facts get in the way of a good story!

[zan]

I’ll tell you what Piratis, be my guest and prove that “Cyprus is Greek”!

Greek language, Greek religion, Greek culture and most importantly a Greek identity of the vast majority of the population, now and for 1000s of years. What more proof do you want?

Is that it? I buried all that ages ago...

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=23213

I replied to the thread you linked

GR, your arguments are quite shallow and very easy to defeat. It is obvious that your position is politically motivated and not based on historical facts.

So all people would have to do is learn to speak Greek don a funny fluffy skirt and pom pom shoes and eat souvla for Piratis to wave them through at customs. Or the would the Pirtis that we all know and "love" simply turn away the black ones

[Simon]

"A Dark Age Descends upon Greece
Around 1200 BCE, Dorian Greeks -- who had been living just north of Greece and spoke a dialect different from the Mycenae Greeks -- began the first of their invasions into the Greek peninsula. They bypassed some areas but overran much of the Mycenae civilization that had spread into the central part of the Greek mainland. They looted and destroyed palaces and sent people fleeing, some eastward to Asia Minor, some southeast to nearby islands and to Cyprus.

Had the Dorians been Greeks, they would’ve never…

1. Spoken a different “dialect” because there were no other Greek dialects back then. What they did speak was a different LANGUAGE but someone chose to call it a "dialect"!

GR, you clearly have no clue about ancient Greece. You're trying to say that the ancient Greeks ceased to exist once the Dorians invaded! It is laughable. Classical Greeece only manifested itself after the Dorians colonised Greece. So what you're saying is ancient Greece itself wasn't Greece? You're making a dick out of yourself yet again GR. I mean all these conspiracy theories with no shred of evidence is becoming ridiculous. GR, a bit of thinking can easily refute what you wrote above. The Dorians lived in a different area to the Mycenaeans, (being a separate Greek tribe) so they spoke a different dialect of Greek. So of course there were dialects! The language they spoke is accepted by the experts as a Greek dialect. My links exactly show this, and you can't provide any links supporting what you say surprise surprise. Post proof supporting what you say, otherwise stop talking baseless rubbish.

2. Launched a full scale invasion and occupation, against their “own kind”! That’s ridiculous!

The Greeks fought each other all the time you dork!

Furthermore, it has not been proven that the Dorians ever did brutally invade Greece. This is the theory devised by historians to explain the demise of the Mycenaeans, but it has never been satisfactorily proven and there are discrepancies. It is however known that the Dorians did colonise Greece. One of the contradictions is that the Dorians invaded Greece around 1200BC, but yet did not settle in the invaded areas until 950BC. So what where they doing for over 300 years? Another theory is that internal fighting destroyed the Mycenaeans.

It amazes me that you readily accept unproven theories when they suit your political beliefs, and yet, history that has been proven beyond reasonable doubt is habitually questioned with your unproven conspiracy theories!

3. Looted and destroyed palaces had they observed the same Gods and/or top leadership! (High command)

See above!

Seeing that they spoke different, wrote different, had their own high command, had no respect for the Mycenaean palaces, Gods, and culture by utterly destroying it, proves beyond any reasonable doubt that these people did NOT belong to the same group they were attacking. It doesn’t make sense otherwise!

They spoke a dialect of Greek (this is accepted by every expert I have come across) just like the Achaeans, Aeolians and Ionians. You obviously don’t know this, but there were four main dialects of Greek: Arcado-Cypriot, Doric, Aeolic and Ionic-Attic. The Dorians did not write differently as they did not have a written language when they invaded/colonised Greece! They obviously had their own high command as a separate tribe, which may have attacked the Mycenaeans, just like Greeks fought each other all the time!

Regarding the Dorians:

"By the end of the 20th century the concept of an invasion by external Greek speakers had been removed from the arena, although it is still asserted as a minority view. There was and always has been only one Greece and one population of Greeks".

Horrocks, Geoffrey (1997), "Homer's Dialect", in Morris, Ian; Powell, Barry B., A New Companion to Homer, Leiden, Boston: Brill, pp. 193–217

I can post you dozens of sources all saying the same. But they're all wrong and GR's conspiracy is right!

Nobody is saying they belonged to the same group! They were separate groups, but both groups were Greeks. The Dorians were originally more savage and uncultured, hence the dark age of Greece occurred apparently when they colonised the area. But Classical Greece later emerged, and the Dorians were one of the main peoples in it!

The “three major Greek tribes” is yet another fabrication of the 18th century “historians” who were hell-bent on closing up all likely loop-holes of discontinuity by claiming that even those who totally trashed the Mycenaeans were… like-Mycenaeans!!! It’s the biggest load of rubbish I’ve ever read!

Do you have any proof? Or is this the world according to GR?

Are you an expert in ancient Greek/Classics? If not, how can you contradict experts with no proof? Why would historians in the 1700s want to make all this up, where did they get all the evidence from to back up their claims, and why haven't modern day experts trashed it all? I mean, this is the 21st century now... You're just not serious GR. It's all silly and a waste of time.

And finally, Herodotus whom the modern “Greeks” regard as the "Father of History" (and where they get all their historical “facts” from) was in fact the biggest liar on the planet! (but more on this mythological jerk in another thread)

Great, another thread you will be bashed on no doubt.

[Simon]

I’ll tell you what Piratis, be my guest and prove that “Cyprus is Greek”!

Greek language, Greek religion, Greek culture and most importantly a Greek identity of the vast majority of the population, now and for 1000s of years. What more proof do you want?

Is that it? I buried all that ages ago...

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=23213

I replied to the thread you linked

GR, your arguments are quite shallow and very easy to defeat. It is obvious that your position is politically motivated and not based on historical facts.

So all people would have to do is learn to speak Greek don a funny fluffy skirt and pom pom shoes and eat souvla for Piratis to wave them through at customs. Or the would the Pirtis that we all know and "love" simply turn away the black ones

All people would have to do to become Turkish is invade and ethnically cleanse some territory and shoot some unarmed civilians whilst worshipping Ataturk. They would be straight through customs, black or white, right Zan? Oh, and they'd also need to call Kurds "Mountain Turks".

[Simon]

I’ll tell you what Piratis, be my guest and prove that “Cyprus is Greek”!

Greek language, Greek religion, Greek culture and most importantly a Greek identity of the vast majority of the population, now and for 1000s of years. What more proof do you want?

Is that it? I buried all that ages ago...

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=23213

I replied to the thread you linked

GR, your arguments are quite shallow and very easy to defeat. It is obvious that your position is politically motivated and not based on historical facts.

Never let the facts get in the way of a good story!

Don't worry, GR doesn't.

[zan]

I’ll tell you what Piratis, be my guest and prove that “Cyprus is Greek”!

Greek language, Greek religion, Greek culture and most importantly a Greek identity of the vast majority of the population, now and for 1000s of years. What more proof do you want?

Is that it? I buried all that ages ago...

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=23213

I replied to the thread you linked

GR, your arguments are quite shallow and very easy to defeat. It is obvious that your position is politically motivated and not based on historical facts.

So all people would have to do is learn to speak Greek don a funny fluffy skirt and pom pom shoes and eat souvla for Piratis to wave them through at customs. Or the would the Pirtis that we all know and "love" simply turn away the black ones

All people would have to do to become Turkish is invade and ethnically cleanse some territory and shoot some unarmed civilians whilst worshipping Ataturk. They would be straight through customs, black or white, right Zan? Oh, and they'd also need to call Kurds "Mountain Turks".

You missed the point so I won't comment on this drivel!!!!!

[Simon]

I’ll tell you what Piratis, be my guest and prove that “Cyprus is Greek”!

Greek language, Greek religion, Greek culture and most importantly a Greek identity of the vast majority of the population, now and for 1000s of years. What more proof do you want?

Is that it? I buried all that ages ago...

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=23213

I replied to the thread you linked

GR, your arguments are quite shallow and very easy to defeat. It is obvious that your position is politically motivated and not based on historical facts.

So all people would have to do is learn to speak Greek don a funny fluffy skirt and pom pom shoes and eat souvla for Piratis to wave them through at customs. Or the would the Pirtis that we all know and "love" simply turn away the black ones

All people would have to do to become Turkish is invade and ethnically cleanse some territory and shoot some unarmed civilians whilst worshipping Ataturk. They would be straight through customs, black or white, right Zan? Oh, and they'd also need to call Kurds "Mountain Turks".

You missed the point so I won't comment on this drivel!!!!!

You missed my point, which is that you don't have a point.