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[EPSILON]

Who made such claim?

Yialousa, and that Tsokos girl.

There’s no such thing as “Greek Cyprus”

Cyprus is as Greek as any other Greek island or Greek territory.

It’s all in your head Piratis… you're imagining things.

GR, as you know everything that I say is historical facts, and nothing is based on mere imagination.

And just to be clear, Cyprus being Hellenic doesn't depend on Cyprus being part of the Republic of Greece, neither it means Cyprus should necessarily be part of Republic of Greece.

The same way that there are several Slavic states or Turkic states, there can just as easily be several Hellenic states.

For example just because in Asia Minor there is a state called "Turkey" this doesn't mean that no other state can be Turkic. In fact it doesn't even mean that Turkey is the most "authentic" Turkic state.

Do not try my friend- Many tried to reverse "genitsarous" nobody succeeded. The bigger enemy is Cyprus are not Turks (they are number 2)

No Epsilon,

No. 3 are the Turks.
No. 2 are the communists, remember?
No. 1 (in Epsilon's enemies of Cyprus charts) are, wait for it, the treacherous Cypriots themselves.
(Does someone in Athens pay you to come here and offer us these pearls of wisdom?)

i HAVE ENOUGH MONEY-I PAY MY SELVE FOR MY BLEIVES.

[Oracle]

The Greeks called them the phoinikes, which means the "red people"—a name that became Phoenicians—after their word for a prized reddish purple cloth the Phoenicians exported. .

Is this part of the great Greek "Myths"?

[Simon]

Who were the Phoenicians?

We know they dominated sea trade in the Mediterranean for 3,000 years. Now DNA testing and recent archaeological finds are revealing just what the Phoenician legacy meant to the ancient world—and to our own.

Where is the evidence for that?

This is just more GR mythology. I mean, 3,000 years?

[Oracle]

Their writings, mostly on fragile papyrus, disintegrated ...

But you're such a 'sceptic' on people's origins and traditions, even with records ... yet you blindly accept other potential "Myths" ....

Such bias and selective preferences are worthy of our Miltiades

[Oracle]

Who were the Phoenicians?

We know they dominated sea trade in the Mediterranean for 3,000 years. Now DNA testing and recent archaeological finds are revealing just what the Phoenician legacy meant to the ancient world—and to our own.

Where is the evidence for that?

This is just more GR mythology. I mean, 3,000 years?

He never lets the facts get in the way of a good spin. He has to rewrite history after all!

[Simon]

Who were the Phoenicians?

We know they dominated sea trade in the Mediterranean for 3,000 years. Now DNA testing and recent archaeological finds are revealing just what the Phoenician legacy meant to the ancient world—and to our own.

Where is the evidence for that?

This is just more GR mythology. I mean, 3,000 years?

He never lets the facts get in the way of a good spin. He has to rewrite history after all!

This is becoming another one of those GR bashing threads isn't it? Oh well, he asks for it...

[Oracle]

Who were the Phoenicians?

We know they dominated sea trade in the Mediterranean for 3,000 years. Now DNA testing and recent archaeological finds are revealing just what the Phoenician legacy meant to the ancient world—and to our own.

Where is the evidence for that?

This is just more GR mythology. I mean, 3,000 years?

He never lets the facts get in the way of a good spin. He has to rewrite history after all!

This is becoming another one of those GR bashing threads isn't it? Oh well, he asks for it...

He has been bashed into extinction and now he is looking to us for help in resurrecting his identity.

His lifeline might be through the fact he accepts the spread of Phoenicians. Well, the Phoenicians seem to have followed the Greeks around

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1: Hum Biol. 2007 Jun;79(3):339-54.

HLA class I and class II polymorphism in three Sicilian populations.Bonanno CT, Cigna D, Danna C, D'Anna RP, Di Sano C, Matranga D, Raffa M, Impeduglia A, Salerno A.

Dipartimento di Biopatologia e Metodologie Biomediche, Università degli Studi di Palermo, Palermo, Italy.

Two human leukocyte antigen (HLA) class I loci (HLA-A and HLA-B) and one class II locus (HLA-DR) were typed at the DNA level in the Sicilian population. Study participants were of Sicilian origin (183 for class I loci and 260 for class II loci) and live in three towns, chosen on the basis of geographic position and different historical events. These towns are Sciacca (southwest Sicily, located at sea level, conquered by Arabs in A.D. 814), Piana degli Albanesi (northwest Sicily, 720 m above sea level, has maintained religious, cultural, and linguistic peculiarities traced to Albanian settlement in 1488), and Troina (northeast Sicily, 1120 m above sea level, known as the first settlement of Normans). The assumptions underlying the study of genetic structure, based on HLA allele polymorphism, are that these three towns are located in areas that can be distinguished according to historical criteria and that they are likely to have contributed to cultural and probably genetic differences. As such, the high frequency of some alleles in Sciacca and Troina seems to be correlated with Greek, Phoenician, North African, and Arab influence. In accordance with different human settlements in Sicily, we found that the HLA allele frequencies support the existence of genetic differentiation between the western and eastern sides of Sicily. This separation is attributed to Greek colonization in the east and to Phoenician-Carthaginian-Arab influence in the west. Moreover, the comparisons of all allele frequencies between Mediterranean and AfrIcan populations show the same trend, highlighting in some cases European origin and in other cases non-European origin.

PubMed

[Oracle]

Do the Phoenicians live on through the spread of their genes by the (dominant, survival-fittest) Greeks?

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Am J Phys Anthropol. 1997 Oct;104(2):167-76.

Y-chromosome specific alleles and haplotypes in European and Asian populations: linkage disequilibrium and geographic diversity.Mitchell RJ, Earl L, Fricke B.

School of Genetics and Human Variation, La Trobe University, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.

Variation on the Y chromosome may permit our understanding the evolution of the human paternal lineage and male gene flow. This study reports upon the distribution and non random association of alleles at four Y-chromosome specific loci in four populations, three Caucasoid (Italian, Greek and Slav) and one Asian. The markers include insertion/deletion (p12f), point mutation (92R7 and pY alpha I), and repeat sequence (p21A1) polymorphisms. Our data confirm that the p12f/TaqI 8 kb allele is a Caucasoid marker and that Asians are monomorphic at three of the loci (p12f, 92R7, and pY alpha I). The alleles at 92R7 and pY alpha I were found to be in complete disequilibrium in Europeans. Y-haplotype diversity was highly significant between Asians and all three European groups (P < 0.001), but the Greeks and Italians were also significantly different with respect to some alleles and haplotypes (P < 0.02). We find strong evidence that the p12f/TaqI 8 kb allele may have arisen only once, as a deletion event, and, additionally, that the present-day frequency distribution of Y chromosomes carrying the p12f/8 kb allele suggests that it may have been spread by colonising sea-faring peoples from the Near East, possibly the Phoenicians, rather than by expansion of Neolithic farmers into continental Europe. The p12f deletion is the key marker of a unique Y chromosome, found only in Caucasians to date, labelled 'Mediterranean' and this further increases the level of Y-chromosome diversity seen among Caucasoids when compared to the other major population groups.

PubMed

[Oracle]

There is an interesting co-occurrence correlation between the Phoenicians and the Greeks developing ....

If the Greeks were amongst the first (modern groups) to meet and mate with the Phoenicians, their offspring would have picked up Phoenician genes. The Greeks then spread them across the parts where we have evidence of colonisation by Greeks (and no evidence from [specifically] Phoenician influence).

The Phoenicians may have left their fingerprints in the Greeks ...

Greeks rule

[Get Real!]

On the contrary Oracle, it’s the ancient Greeks that were extinct when the Dorians overrun them! That’s why modern “Greeks” are of Slavic ancestry and not ancient Greek!

It’s by no accident that the modern “Greek” historians of the early 19th century invented a 300 year “Dark Period” immediately after the Dorian invasion/occupation during which Greek culture dwindled! What they should’ve said had they been honest was that the Mycenaeans were well and truly ROOTED! End of line.

However, what these phonies did in the early 19th century was to conveniently and miraculously place a bunch of Mycenaeans on Cyprus so they would establish “continuity” for their sake!

It’s one of the world’s most deceiving acts of historical manipulation that formed the nucleus of modern Greece's “Megali Idea”…