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[Oracle]

I voted for someone who is not "Turkish".

At the moment they are the enemy occupants and so should not be given citizenship/Cypriot Nationality, even if applying in some legitimate capacity (standard practice during war, I think).

The "Muslim" bit was superfluous as Cypriot citizens are not defined by their religion.

So where does that leave my friend Kikapu? He is Cypriot of Turkish origin, but his allegiance is towards justice, and hence with the RoC and against Turkey.

Kikapu isn't "Turkish".... (as far as I can gather, from his posts)

He is a Turkish Cypriot, and from what I can gather, he is spurred on by justice and the threat the Turkish Occupation poses towards the Turkish Cypriot culture in Cyprus. He is fighting for justice (therefore loyal to RoC) and against the potential extinction of TCs in Cyprus.

Well, The Cypriot's politically loaded poll statements were hard to manoeuvre around ... But, this is the one I answered to:

Someone from Cyprus who isn't Turkish/Muslim

Now, it's a shame he attached "Muslim" to that, which obviously frightened people off from choosing it. It is independent of "Turkish" IMHO and also irrelevant to being "Cypriot" or not, since religion does not enter into the political citizenship.

The statement therefore becomes:

Someone from Cyprus who isn't Turkish

... which then is easy to answer because if they are "Turkish" then they cannot be "Cypriot" also (and especially whist they are the enemy occupant).

[Paphitis]

I voted for someone who is not "Turkish".

At the moment they are the enemy occupants and so should not be given citizenship/Cypriot Nationality, even if applying in some legitimate capacity (standard practice during war, I think).

The "Muslim" bit was superfluous as Cypriot citizens are not defined by their religion.

So where does that leave my friend Kikapu? He is Cypriot of Turkish origin, but his allegiance is towards justice, and hence with the RoC and against Turkey.

Kikapu isn't "Turkish".... (as far as I can gather, from his posts)

He is a Turkish Cypriot, and from what I can gather, he is spurred on by justice and the threat the Turkish Occupation poses towards the Turkish Cypriot culture in Cyprus. He is fighting for justice (therefore loyal to RoC) and against the potential extinction of TCs in Cyprus.

Well, The Cypriot's politically loaded poll statements were hard to manoeuvre around ... But, this is the one I answered to:

Someone from Cyprus who isn't Turkish/Muslim

Now, it's a shame he attached "Muslim" to that, which obviously frightened people off from choosing it. It is independent of "Turkish" IMHO and also irrelevant to being "Cypriot" or not, since religion does not enter into the political citizenship.

The statement therefore becomes:

Someone from Cyprus who isn't Turkish

... which then is easy to answer because if they are "Turkish" then they cannot be "Cypriot" also (and especially whist they are the enemy occupant).

Yes, but I was talking about some Turkish Cypriots that are loyal to the RoC. One such Cypriot would have to be Kikapu, and according to what you selected in this silly poll, he is not a Cypriot.

I agree with you that most TCs have proven to be disloyal to Cyprus, by aiding and abetting the Turkish Occupation. Hence they are no different to the Turkish invaders...

This is probably why you chose the following:

Someone from Cyprus who isn't Turkish/'Muslim(?)'

But perhaps you might have been better off voting for this:

Someone who puts Cyprus and all its legitimate people ahead of all other considerations

Can you clarify further?

[Oracle]

I voted for someone who is not "Turkish".

At the moment they are the enemy occupants and so should not be given citizenship/Cypriot Nationality, even if applying in some legitimate capacity (standard practice during war, I think).

The "Muslim" bit was superfluous as Cypriot citizens are not defined by their religion.

So where does that leave my friend Kikapu? He is Cypriot of Turkish origin, but his allegiance is towards justice, and hence with the RoC and against Turkey.

Kikapu isn't "Turkish".... (as far as I can gather, from his posts)

He is a Turkish Cypriot, and from what I can gather, he is spurred on by justice and the threat the Turkish Occupation poses towards the Turkish Cypriot culture in Cyprus. He is fighting for justice (therefore loyal to RoC) and against the potential extinction of TCs in Cyprus.

Well, The Cypriot's politically loaded poll statements were hard to manoeuvre around ... But, this is the one I answered to:

Someone from Cyprus who isn't Turkish/Muslim

Now, it's a shame he attached "Muslim" to that, which obviously frightened people off from choosing it. It is independent of "Turkish" IMHO and also irrelevant to being "Cypriot" or not, since religion does not enter into the political citizenship.

The statement therefore becomes:

Someone from Cyprus who isn't Turkish

... which then is easy to answer because if they are "Turkish" then they cannot be "Cypriot" also (and especially whist they are the enemy occupant).

Yes, but I was talking about some Turkish Cypriots that are loyal to the RoC. One such Cypriot would have to be Kikapu, and according to what you selected in this silly poll, he is not a Cypriot.

I agree with you that most TCs have proven to be disloyal to Cyprus, by aiding and abetting the Turkish Occupation. Hence they are no different to the Turkish invaders...

This is probably why you chose the following:

Someone from Cyprus who isn't Turkish/'Muslim(?)'

But perhaps you might have been better off voting for this:

Someone who puts Cyprus and all its legitimate people ahead of all other considerations

Can you clarify further?

Well, can you hold dual citizenship for both the RoC and Turkey?

I don't think so ... So, anyone who is "Turkish" cannot also be "Cypriot".

Your choice, by "above all other considerations" is a little romantic and vague to the point of absurdity ....

[The Cypriot]

Well, The Cypriot's politically loaded poll statements were hard to manoeuvre around ...

Politically loaded.... moi?

But, this is the one I answered to:

Someone from Cyprus who isn't Turkish/Muslim

Now, it's a shame he attached "Muslim" to that, which obviously frightened people off from choosing it.

Why would it frighten anyone? It was Turkish/Muslim.. one or other or both.

Not all Cypriots of Muslim origin are necessarily of Turkish origin or identify with being Turkish. This enabled their capture here, without 'Turkish' being politically loaded onto them.

It is independent of "Turkish" IMHO and also irrelevant to being "Cypriot" or not, since religion does not enter into the political citizenship.

The statement therefore becomes:

Someone from Cyprus who isn't Turkish

... which then is easy to answer because if they are "Turkish" then they cannot be "Cypriot" also (and especially whist they are the enemy occupant).

It was an option that could have been written exclusively for you...

[Paphitis]

I voted for someone who is not "Turkish".

At the moment they are the enemy occupants and so should not be given citizenship/Cypriot Nationality, even if applying in some legitimate capacity (standard practice during war, I think).

The "Muslim" bit was superfluous as Cypriot citizens are not defined by their religion.

So where does that leave my friend Kikapu? He is Cypriot of Turkish origin, but his allegiance is towards justice, and hence with the RoC and against Turkey.

Kikapu isn't "Turkish".... (as far as I can gather, from his posts)

He is a Turkish Cypriot, and from what I can gather, he is spurred on by justice and the threat the Turkish Occupation poses towards the Turkish Cypriot culture in Cyprus. He is fighting for justice (therefore loyal to RoC) and against the potential extinction of TCs in Cyprus.

Well, The Cypriot's politically loaded poll statements were hard to manoeuvre around ... But, this is the one I answered to:

Someone from Cyprus who isn't Turkish/Muslim

Now, it's a shame he attached "Muslim" to that, which obviously frightened people off from choosing it. It is independent of "Turkish" IMHO and also irrelevant to being "Cypriot" or not, since religion does not enter into the political citizenship.

The statement therefore becomes:

Someone from Cyprus who isn't Turkish

... which then is easy to answer because if they are "Turkish" then they cannot be "Cypriot" also (and especially whist they are the enemy occupant).

Yes, but I was talking about some Turkish Cypriots that are loyal to the RoC. One such Cypriot would have to be Kikapu, and according to what you selected in this silly poll, he is not a Cypriot.

I agree with you that most TCs have proven to be disloyal to Cyprus, by aiding and abetting the Turkish Occupation. Hence they are no different to the Turkish invaders...

This is probably why you chose the following:

Someone from Cyprus who isn't Turkish/'Muslim(?)'

But perhaps you might have been better off voting for this:

Someone who puts Cyprus and all its legitimate people ahead of all other considerations

Can you clarify further?

Well, can you hold dual citizenship for both the RoC and Turkey?

I don't think so ... So, anyone who is "Turkish" cannot also be "Cypriot".

Your choice, by "above all other considerations" is a little romantic and vague to the point of absurdity ....

Is dual citizenship illegal in the RoC?

And do TCs at large qualify for Turkish citizenship? I doubt it.

But that would be irrelevant in any case.

Once again I remind you that I am talking about some Turkish Cypriots (like Kikapu) who are against the occupation, and want a unified Cyprus.

If I am romantic and naive, you are arrogant or just trying to play hardball by acting tough, and excluding all Turkish Cypriots by voting for something I know you don't truly believe....I think you are being absurd and dishonest!

[Oracle]

I voted for someone who is not "Turkish".

At the moment they are the enemy occupants and so should not be given citizenship/Cypriot Nationality, even if applying in some legitimate capacity (standard practice during war, I think).

The "Muslim" bit was superfluous as Cypriot citizens are not defined by their religion.

So where does that leave my friend Kikapu? He is Cypriot of Turkish origin, but his allegiance is towards justice, and hence with the RoC and against Turkey.

Kikapu isn't "Turkish".... (as far as I can gather, from his posts)

He is a Turkish Cypriot, and from what I can gather, he is spurred on by justice and the threat the Turkish Occupation poses towards the Turkish Cypriot culture in Cyprus. He is fighting for justice (therefore loyal to RoC) and against the potential extinction of TCs in Cyprus.

Well, The Cypriot's politically loaded poll statements were hard to manoeuvre around ... But, this is the one I answered to:

Someone from Cyprus who isn't Turkish/Muslim

Now, it's a shame he attached "Muslim" to that, which obviously frightened people off from choosing it. It is independent of "Turkish" IMHO and also irrelevant to being "Cypriot" or not, since religion does not enter into the political citizenship.

The statement therefore becomes:

Someone from Cyprus who isn't Turkish

... which then is easy to answer because if they are "Turkish" then they cannot be "Cypriot" also (and especially whist they are the enemy occupant).

Yes, but I was talking about some Turkish Cypriots that are loyal to the RoC. One such Cypriot would have to be Kikapu, and according to what you selected in this silly poll, he is not a Cypriot.

I agree with you that most TCs have proven to be disloyal to Cyprus, by aiding and abetting the Turkish Occupation. Hence they are no different to the Turkish invaders...

This is probably why you chose the following:

Someone from Cyprus who isn't Turkish/'Muslim(?)'

But perhaps you might have been better off voting for this:

Someone who puts Cyprus and all its legitimate people ahead of all other considerations

Can you clarify further?

Well, can you hold dual citizenship for both the RoC and Turkey?

I don't think so ... So, anyone who is "Turkish" cannot also be "Cypriot".

Your choice, by "above all other considerations" is a little romantic and vague to the point of absurdity ....

Is dual citizenship illegal in the RoC?

And do TCs at large qualify for Turkish citizenship? I doubt it.

But that would be irrelevant in any case.

Once again I remind you that I am talking about some Turkish Cypriots (like Kikapu) who are against the occupation, want a unified Cyprus.

If I am romantic and naive, you are arrogant or just trying to play hardball by acting tough, and excluding all Turkish Cypriots by voting for something I know you don't truly believe....I think you are being absurd and dishonest!

Now you "plonker" ... Turkey wouldn't allow dual citizenship because they don't recognise the RoC.

Stop bringing in TCs because The Cypriots' statement only mentioned "Turkish" and not TC .... and there are probably 300,000 Turkish (Anatolian Settlers) on Cyprus for whom that statement does apply!

I din't mention TCs once ... you did!

[Oracle]

Someone from Cyprus who isn't Turkish/Muslim

Now, it's a shame he attached "Muslim" to that, which obviously frightened people off from choosing it.

Why would it frighten anyone? It was Turkish/Muslim.. one or other or both.

Not all Cypriots of Muslim origin are necessarily of Turkish origin or identify with being Turkish. This enabled their capture here, without 'Turkish' being politically loaded onto them.

That's rubbish. It was a biased statement because it was the ONLY one which brought in religion!

You should have separated them to make the statement more neutral (or left Muslim out altogether because it has no bearing on citizenship ... what if they were Buddhists?).

It was an option that could have been written exclusively for you...

It seems I'm the only one around here who would not anoint the 300,000 or so Turkish nationals brought here (from Turkey) and now "of Cyprus" as being Cypriots.

Seems you too are naive!

[cymart]

..and a British one,but am not Greek, Turkish,Maronite ,Armenian,moslem,Othodox,Catholic or any other religion so how can I be defined then?

[The Cypriot]

That's rubbish. It was a biased statement because it was the ONLY one which brought in religion!

I explained why. My explanation wasn't rubbish. You may not agree with it but not everything you disagree with is rubbish - and you saying it is... is... rubbish.

You should have separated them to make the statement more neutral (or left Muslim out altogether because it has no bearing on citizenship ... what if they were Buddhists?).

They'd have voted for the first statement if they were Buddhists.

It seems I'm the only one around here who would not anoint the 300,000 or so Turkish nationals brought here (from Turkey) and now "of Cyprus" as being Cypriots.

Seems you too are naive!

Seems you too don't know what 'legitimate' means (like Turkey).

The only evidence of my being naive is that I waste my time debating you.

[Paphitis]

I voted for someone who is not "Turkish".

At the moment they are the enemy occupants and so should not be given citizenship/Cypriot Nationality, even if applying in some legitimate capacity (standard practice during war, I think).

The "Muslim" bit was superfluous as Cypriot citizens are not defined by their religion.

So where does that leave my friend Kikapu? He is Cypriot of Turkish origin, but his allegiance is towards justice, and hence with the RoC and against Turkey.

Kikapu isn't "Turkish".... (as far as I can gather, from his posts)

He is a Turkish Cypriot, and from what I can gather, he is spurred on by justice and the threat the Turkish Occupation poses towards the Turkish Cypriot culture in Cyprus. He is fighting for justice (therefore loyal to RoC) and against the potential extinction of TCs in Cyprus.

Well, The Cypriot's politically loaded poll statements were hard to manoeuvre around ... But, this is the one I answered to:

Someone from Cyprus who isn't Turkish/Muslim

Now, it's a shame he attached "Muslim" to that, which obviously frightened people off from choosing it. It is independent of "Turkish" IMHO and also irrelevant to being "Cypriot" or not, since religion does not enter into the political citizenship.

The statement therefore becomes:

Someone from Cyprus who isn't Turkish

... which then is easy to answer because if they are "Turkish" then they cannot be "Cypriot" also (and especially whist they are the enemy occupant).

Yes, but I was talking about some Turkish Cypriots that are loyal to the RoC. One such Cypriot would have to be Kikapu, and according to what you selected in this silly poll, he is not a Cypriot.

I agree with you that most TCs have proven to be disloyal to Cyprus, by aiding and abetting the Turkish Occupation. Hence they are no different to the Turkish invaders...

This is probably why you chose the following:

Someone from Cyprus who isn't Turkish/'Muslim(?)'

But perhaps you might have been better off voting for this:

Someone who puts Cyprus and all its legitimate people ahead of all other considerations

Can you clarify further?

Well, can you hold dual citizenship for both the RoC and Turkey?

I don't think so ... So, anyone who is "Turkish" cannot also be "Cypriot".

Your choice, by "above all other considerations" is a little romantic and vague to the point of absurdity ....

Is dual citizenship illegal in the RoC?

And do TCs at large qualify for Turkish citizenship? I doubt it.

But that would be irrelevant in any case.

Once again I remind you that I am talking about some Turkish Cypriots (like Kikapu) who are against the occupation, want a unified Cyprus.

If I am romantic and naive, you are arrogant or just trying to play hardball by acting tough, and excluding all Turkish Cypriots by voting for something I know you don't truly believe....I think you are being absurd and dishonest!

Now you "plonker" ... Turkey wouldn't allow dual citizenship because they don't recognise the RoC.

Stop bringing in TCs because The Cypriots' statement only mentioned "Turkish" and not TC .... and there are probably 300,000 Turkish (Anatolian Settlers) on Cyprus for whom that statement does apply!

I din't mention TCs once ... you did!

And The Cypriot did as well, and you voted for it.

Oracle...in Cyprus we have several ethnic groups such as Greek, Turkish, Armenian, Latin and Maronite plus several more recent arrivals who may also be Cypriot.

Perhaps The Cypriot can clarify what he means by the following:

Someone from Cyprus who isn't Turkish/'Muslim'

And since he also included "Muslim" as a descriptor, which you pointed out, it can only mean that the above selection includes ALL Turkish Cypriots as well (Cypriot can clarify this himself).

And since you voted as you did, you excluded ALL Turkish Cypriots. And once you identified this folly, you accused The Cypriot for "politically loading" this poll and quickly made reference to it so that you could wiggle your way out of this dilemma... ...Very clever of you...

Nevertheless, I am satisfied that you have admitted that some Turks (TCs) are indeed Cypriot. We can't have people like Kikapu get the wrong idea...

The Cypriot was not referring to the 300,000 Settlers, because then he would not have classified them as Turkish/Muslim.