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[alexISS]

Yes but the biological source is the same. it's different to a broom whose first three sticks could have been made of juniper wood, the next four of pine and so on and so forth....

So as long as the material is the same, so is the broom? It's a flawed logic from the beginning, adding new conditions won't change it

How many Lebanese and Egyptians did our people make babies with?

Why do people insist on bringing up dna? It has nothing to do with ethnicity. Do you understand that by denying a Cypriot with Lebanese blood the right to call himself a Greek Cypriot, you become a racist?

[Oracle]

Let me ask a general question: A road sweeper claims with prideness that he has had the same broom throughout his 30 year job. But in this time, he has fitted a new brush 47 times and replaced the stick no less than 49 times. He is adamant that he is using the same brush because it shares certain characteristics with the original, but is it the same brush?

So, the owner is the same and the essence/job of the brush is intact!

But, I can see how Turks expanding into neighbouring countries should question whether they are not replacing the "brush" heads with a mop head .... thereby changing the nature of the "broom".

[alexISS]

Ignorance my dear Alexis. Did travellers and indeed 'experts' not once believe that the Gypsies came from Egypt?

Those travelers did not observe some primitive tribesmen going about their business, they interacted with the locals, they discussed with them and they were TOLD they were Greeks

[Omer Seyhan]

Yes but the biological source is the same. it's different to a broom whose first three sticks could have been made of juniper wood, the next four of pine and so on and so forth....

So as long as the material is the same, so is the broom? It's a flawed logic from the beginning, adding new conditions won't change it

How many Lebanese and Egyptians did our people make babies with?

Why do people insist on bringing up dna? It has nothing to do with ethnicity. Do you understand that by denying a Cypriot with Lebanese blood the right to call himself a Greek Cypriot, you become a racist?[/quote)

on the contrary,if the Cypriot of Lebanese and other descents who claims to be 'Greek' does not embrace his or her rich background and pretends to be Greek then that person is a racist. What is so wrong with having Arab, Lebanese or Turkish origins? Care to elaborate...

[alexISS]

on the contrary,if the Cypriot of Lebanese and other descents who claims to be 'Greek' does not embrace his or her rich background and pretends to be Greek then that person is a racist. What is so wrong with having Arab, Lebanese or Turkish origins? Care to elaborate...

Because a person cannot KNOW beyond doubt what his origins are. And what if his Arab father had a Greek grandfather? Wouldn't he be denying his Greek origins by claiming to be an Arab? Do you not see how silly this DNA nonsense is?

What makes you a Greek or a Turk or an Arab is not your genes, but the culture you were brought up in.

[Omer Seyhan]

Let me ask a general question: A road sweeper claims with prideness that he has had the same broom throughout his 30 year job. But in this time, he has fitted a new brush 47 times and replaced the stick no less than 49 times. He is adamant that he is using the same brush because it shares certain characteristics with the original, but is it the same brush?

So, the owner is the same and the essence/job of the brush is intact!

But, I can see how Turks expanding into neighbouring countries should question whether they are not replacing the "brush" heads with a mop head .... thereby changing the nature of the "broom".

So anything Turkish has to be negative? This is basically what I am understanding from you. Is this really your opinion?

[Oracle]

The reliability of travelogues is questionable..

No more so than the Ottoman accounts of history. In fact, more reliable because they were not from "conquerors" but individual (unbiased)travellers.

In fact "travelogues" of the past are an important source of material, especially when backed up by other resources (pottery, dwellings, poetry, drama). Travelers of the past, usually the wealthy and most educated, were on a mission to report back accurately from their travels. Their reputations depended on it.

Most of our information on conditions in Africa, the impact of the slave trade, the origins of artworks, bronzes and other important relics came about from travellers who contributed to Geographic archives. It is up to us to piece them together and see how consistent they are. Some may be ditched ... but none of the ones Simon posted are at odds with other sources. So, why do you doubt them?

To date only (your) Ottoman/Turkish accounts stand out as at odds with the masses of archives from a huge sink.

[Omer Seyhan]

Yes but your culture isn't Greek. it is actually closer to the Lebanese.

[Oracle]

Let me ask a general question: A road sweeper claims with prideness that he has had the same broom throughout his 30 year job. But in this time, he has fitted a new brush 47 times and replaced the stick no less than 49 times. He is adamant that he is using the same brush because it shares certain characteristics with the original, but is it the same brush?

So, the owner is the same and the essence/job of the brush is intact!

But, I can see how Turks expanding into neighbouring countries should question whether they are not replacing the "brush" heads with a mop head .... thereby changing the nature of the "broom".

So anything Turkish has to be negative? This is basically what I am understanding from you. Is this really your opinion?

Well, replacing GCs (brush) with Anatolian Settlers (mop) is changing the nature of Cyprus (broom) .... wouldn't you agree?

Omer, I think your attempt at a philosophical metaphor, has swept you off your feet ....

[alexISS]

Yes but your culture isn't Greek. it is actually closer to the Lebanese.

I'll happily discuss this, but, just so that we do not jump from one topic to another, does this mean that you accept it's culture that "counts" and not your DNA?