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[Paphitis]

I have already explained exactly how 'ethnicity' is calculated by most logical people. So why don't you take your Chorokoitian hallucinations and shove them up your arse!

If you can read English, you will find that I've already answered your stupid question. What a clown...

You’re almost broken in Simon…

And where's that little bitch Alexis hiding?

And what about that Apoel supporting Hellenic Spartan warrior known as DT?

Face it GR!, your outnumbered, so quit embarrassing yourself by exposing your hypocrisy, and give it up....

[Paphitis]

Simon wrote:

Firstly, do you believe that what this man has written is the only way you can define ethnicity? Who gave him the monopoly? There are several ways you can define ethnicity, here is one of them:

•an ethnic quality or affiliation resulting from racial or cultural ties; "ethnicity has a strong influence on community status relations"

Omer Seyhan wrote:

Even by this definition you cannot prove to be ethnically 'Greek'. Cypriot racial characteristics are more like the Semitic people of the Middle East, while large parts of our culture is closer to Egypt and Lebanon than it is to either Greece or Turkey.

What utter rubbish! This is your personal opinion. I have saw Cypriots that look just like Cretans, Rhodians etc. Further, the definition quoted above does not talk about physical appearance. It clearly states racial or cultural ties. I even highlighted it for you. It also refers to community status, which is exactly what the GCs are! Seems like you're struggling to read again.

Simon wrote:

Here is another one:

'Designating a social group within a cultural and social system, often with common traits including religious, linguistic, ancestral or physical characteristics.'

Universal Dictionary.

Omer Seyhan wrote:

This is not a good definition since Greek Cypriots share a religion with people who are not Greeks. Ever heard of the Greek Orthodox Church of Alexandria in Egypt where there are 1.2 million Greek Orthodox Christians?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Orth ... Alexandria

Religion to germane to culture. What the quote is saying is, if you share the same cultural characteristics, including religion, and identify as a certain way, you can belong to an ethnic group. My point is there is not one strict definition of "ethnicity".

Simon wrote:

Did you read your own quote? It states that common ancestry is usually a myth!! You shot yourself in the foot there! So what am I supposed to prove, a myth! If it helps, the Greek Goddess Aphrodite was born from Cyprus' shores, Cypriots believed in all the same myths as the Greeks, and King Evagoras of Salamis (410-374 BC) believed he was the half brother of Ajax, the mythical Trojan hero. Further, if the settlement of Mycenaeans was a myth as you claim, then there you go, we have our myth!

Omer Seyhan wrote:

That was for! I know its a myth but did you? Was it not you who claimed the Greek Cypriots descended solely from the Mycaeneans?

Again you have trouble reading! You got made to look silly with this one, so now you are claiming that I agree with you that Mycenaean colonisation was a myth. No, I don't believe it was a myth, but I'm saying that if you do, it fits your definition! Show me one quote I have made where I have said the GCs descended solely from Mycenaeans?! In fact I have said the exact opposite more than once. If you're not going to read what I write, then what is the point in us debating?

Moreover, what would you consider proof of common ancestry? Bearing in mind we're talking about so long ago. We can't go back in time, so all we can go by is what we have found in Cyprus. It appears that the world's historians believe they have found enough proof about Mycenaean and other Greek colonisation of Cyprus, so that is enough for me. Forgive me if I decide to believe the world's experts and museums over you and GR.

Omer Seyhan wrote:

So...you still believe in your myth? Apparently the museums now hold the evidence....

If you are going to disagree with almost every respected historian that states there is evidence of Mycenaean colonisation in Cyprus, then you need to post some proof, otherwise, don't speak!

Simon wrote:

We have had a common name ("Greeks") for thousands of years and ever since the word was used. That makes us as Greek as anyone else. Just because the Mycenaeans never used the actual word "Greek" it doesn't mean they weren't. "Greek" is only a label or description. Does an idiot have to be called an idiot, before he is one? Further, it was not only the Mycenaeans that colonised Cyprus, but other Greeks as well from the Dorian invasions onwards.

Omer Seyhan wrote:

But you cannot give them a name that they never used to identify themselves. Like the Anglo-Saxons etc you must call them by their original name, which is Mycaeneans. It is questionable whether they became Greeks. Certainly it can be argued that their language survived and became Cypriot-Greek but to assume the Greek Cypriots descend from these people alone is baseless.

Let me ask you, if the Greek Cypriots all become Turkish in 2000 years time, would you like it if 'experts' starting calling you Turkish because you became one?

Mycenaeans were Greeks according to any book I have read, or any expert I have listened to. So who are you to contradict them? Are you an expert? What proof do you have? Who said that GCs descend from these people alone? These people were apparently the first Greek speakers to colonise Cyprus, but as I said before, many other Greeks also did. You are inventing your own arguments so that you can defeat them, because you certainly are not considering mine.

And you're paragraph about being Turkish doesn't even make sense. It sounds like your arguments are becoming increasingly desperate. I think you need a good sleep.

Simon wrote:

Greek migration happened thousands of years ago, so of course there is no memory! What a silly comment. What we have is archeological evidence, which is all we can have, unless you have a time machine? And the archeological evidence matches the written records and the cultural identity of Cyprus. Where is your proof that Mycenaeans did not settle? We have plenty of proof showing their existence. We also have the evidence that Cyprus emerged as a culturally Greek island, that was speaking Greek and shared all the same religious and cultural beliefs and customs as other Greeks, so how did all that happen? What about the accounts following the apparent Dorian invasions of other Greeks fleeing to Cyprus? They speak English in Jamaica because the British ruled the island, so there is still obviously a connection. But the Greeks didn't rule Cyprus as such, but colonised it instead, and founded various city-states. This is all historically accepted.

Omer Seyhan wrote:

I am not arguing that they settled or that they didnt settle. I dont know. Since racial purity is not our goal it doesnt matter. What matters is that even if they did settle, since it was such a long time ago it does not and cannot possibly make you Greek. You are forgetting all the other influences linguistic, cultural, religious etc etc on the Cypriots in between their arrival and now. That is a huge amount of time you are dismissing!

Omer, you are contradicting yourself dozens of times over! You're saying that racial purity doesn't matter, when basically all you have been going on about is how Cyprus is a racial mixture. Right, I am glad that you have now conceded race has little relevance, and now you're on to culture, religion etc. OK, firstly, the fact that the original Greek migration happened a long time ago is not relevant. All that shows is just how long there has been a Greek influence on the island. That does not at all mean we can't be Greek. If anything, it shows the opposite. Secondly, you mention linguistic, cultural and religious influences. Now this is where you must admit that linguistically - GCs speak Greek, religion - GCs are Greek Orthodox, and culturally - GCs share a very similar culture to other Greeks, albeit with slight variations that all the Greek islands have. Now I am not dismissing the other influences on Cyprus, but my point is the overwhelming influence is Greek, and it always has been. Further, it is not for you to tell people how to identify. If GCs self-identify as Greeks, who are you to tell them otherwise?

Simon wrote:

The Anglo-Saxons became known as the English, the Franks, French etc, just like the Mycenaeans became known as Greeks. You actually again shoot yourself in the foot here, because if you're saying that the GCs are not Greek because the Mycenaeans were not called Greeks, then by your own example, the English can't be English, because Anglo-Saxons never heard the term 'English', or the French can't be Franks, because 'French' was not a recognised term to the original Franks etc etc. Do you now see how stupid your argument is? Again I ask you, do you have to call an idiot an idiot before they actually are?

Omer Seyhan wrote:

Not really. DNA research reveals that the Anglo Saxons mixed with the local Celts in England and many English are a mixture. Surprisingly though, a great number of English also showed signs of having no Anglo-Saxon connection at all, indicating that there was only limited Anglo-Saxon input and that the Celts had simply assimilated. This destroys past expert theories that the Celts were massacred or pushed towards Wales and Scotland.

To prove my point again on why you can never claim a single ancestry, not all French descend from the Gauls. Many have Germanic and Latin origins as well as Basque. The majority of French are mixture of all of these with the exception of those living in the most remote areas like Finistere in Brittany.

Omer, you are proving my point. You are saying what I did. The English, French and others are a mixture just like GCs are. This was my point. Yet they still call themselves English, which is from the term "Angles" from the Anglo-Saxons. England means "land of the Angles". That doesn't mean the whole country is full of just Angles. There is no racially pure ethnicity with most ethnic groups. This is why your argument is nonsense. I'm glad you've destroyed your own argument.

Again, I have never claimed a single descendant. I said the exact opposite. You are trying to wiggle your way out of the fact that you are wrong, by defeating a claim I never made. Too bad I'm onto you.

Simon wrote:

Yes, all these people did come to Cyprus, but what is your point? Are you again having reading difficulties as previously when you thought I said that all TCs were GC converts? I stated previously that there is no such thing as being racially pure, the GCs are a mixture of different peoples like every other ethnicity. But regardless of how many people settled on Cyprus, GCs maintained their Greek language, culture and identity. It is actually a miracle when you think about it, considering all the invasions Cyprus has had. But it is a testament to Hellenism.

Omer Seyhan wrote:

My point is and I cant believe you haven't got it, is that you cannot rely on a single ancestry! So your claim to be Greek is utter rubbish.

I have never claimed that GCs only came from Mycenaeans! Mycanaeans were only the first colonisers, but many others came afterwards. Our claim to be Greek comes not just from the Mycenaeans, but from all the other Greeks that settled on Cyprus, and the fact that ever since ancient times, Cyprus has been a predominantly Greek island, especially culturally. If GCs are not Greek, then neither are the Greeks living in Greece Greek! Because they have had a similar amount of different influences and settlements of different peoples! And neither is Turkey Turkish, because look at all the different influences and people in Turkey! In fact you could say the same about almost any country.

Simon wrote:

See above, you still seem caught up on this racial pure thing.

Omer Seyhan wrote:

Its not a racial thing. You cannot claim to be Greek because of the Mycaeneans but then turn around and say, but mind you I have so many other ingredients too. Its a bit like a road sweeper saying: "I've had this broom for 25 years, but I've changed the brush 47 times and the stick 51 times since then!"

Of course you can, because predominantly we are Greeks, despite other influences! In that case, nobody can say they belong to any ethnicity, because in reality we are all a mixture of different people! Your arguments are stupid I'm afraid!

Simon wrote:

Look how many immigrants/those born of mixed marriages in England, does this mean the English are not English? Again, you're just talking about racial purity, which is not relevant.

Omer Seyhan wrote:

This is a different issue as the land is called England and it has an official status. You're claiming that Greek Cypriots (who are Cypriots) are ethnically Greek (another country), which is baloney.

Using your own argument one can claim with justification that there are many origins and immigrants in Cyprus and people of mixed marriages, does this mean we are not all Cypriots?

You are wrong! England does not have official status. On the other hand, Greek Cypriots do have official status, because we are recognised as ethnic Greeks in the Cypriot constitution! So that trashes your argument there, if all you are worried about is official status to tell you who you are.

Secondly, you state that GCs claiming ethnicity of a different country is baloney, but again you are showing your lack of knowledge here. Greece is only a different country because of politics. If GCs would have got their wish, they would have joined Greece. So according to your logic, if Cyprus would have joined Greece, suddenly GCs would become ethnic Greeks? What nonsense. Greece does not have the monopoly on being ethnically Greek, there are ethnic Greeks all over the world that have not been born in Greece.

Your second paragraph again doesn't make sense, because it was you who was claiming that there are mixed marriages, immigrants etc, and now you're asking me if that means they're not Cypriot? What are you talking about? I'm talking about ethnicity primarily as a cultural belonging and identity, which also contains some ancestral roots. GCs have all these things. Of course there are immigrants and mixed marriages, like there are in all ethnic groups.

Simon wrote:

I don't dismiss anybody. It seems you struggle to read and understand basic English. Further, there was never a mass colonisation of Cyprus, which supplanted the overwhelming majority of GCs, but just small additions, the largest being Turkish Ottomans, now known as TCs. This is why genetic evidence does in fact show a similarity with all Greeks including GCs as I pointed out to you earlier but you ignored.

Omer Seyhan wrote:

How did you measure that? Nobody knows, even historians and experts claim they do not fully know but you do...

Because there is no evidence for it. You see, normally to assert something, you need evidence. As Cyprus has always maintained a largely Greek culture, language and religion, there is no evidence of any outside huge colonisation. Plus, there is genetic evidence showing similarities between Greeks around the Mediterranean, including GCs. I'm sure if you ask Oracle nicely, she will explain it to you, as she has posted the evidence a few times before.

You cannot deny the reality on the ground today, which is that the majority of Cypriots identify as Greek Cypriots no matter what you say, and have done for a long time, ok?

Omer Seyhan wrote:

Once the majority of the word thought the world was flat.

Irrelevant. We are not talking about certainties here.

Simon, you want expert quotes, here they are!

Your claim that Greek Cypriots identify as "Greeks" because Greek culture, religion etc has most influence in Cyprus is false. You cannot call past Myceneaen, Byzantine, Minoan etc etc influences "Greek."

You have to refer to them by their original name. You cannot simply call them Greek in a historical context.

"The Mycenaeans came from the grasslands of southern Russia to the lowlands of Greece. They traded with and learned much from the Minoans." http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:_1 ... ent=safari

"For one reason or another, perhaps because of massive migrations of people all over what is now southern Russia and western Turkey, a new hoard, formally called Aryans but now known by language instead of race as Indo-European speakers, came to the Aegean area. They, along with another people, settled both peacefully and in a warlike fashion. Sometime around 2500 to 2000 B.C. these settlers came into Greece from the north:
The Ionians, settled in central Greece and on the islands of the Aegean; it was they who would later create the famous city of Athens.
The second group of proto-Greeks swept through the entire Greek mainland. They called themselves and their ancestors Hellenes. Later, Homer would call them Achaeans. Still later, archeologists would refer to them as Mycenaeans. It is these proto-Greeks who brought the Greek language into the Aegean basin."

Notice how the author refers to the different names these people identified themselves as at different times. Also, notice how he does not say "Greeks" like you but "proto-Greeks". http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:SK ... ent=safari



Even if the Mycenaeans became the most dominant influence on Cyprus over 2000 years then one still has to question whether what they left behind in Cyprus was really Mycenaean in the first place. Read on:

Mycenaeans By Rodney Castleden, page 229 quote:
"The Mycenaeans were a sacrificial people...They fed off existing cultures, such as the Egyptian, Hittite, Minoan civilizations selecting distinctive strands and copying them in their own way."

Another one: A Dictionary of the Ancient Greek World By David Sacks, Oswyn Murray, Margaret Bunson
"The Mycenaeans' urban building, military organisation, trade seem to be partly copied from a few pre-existing non-Greek bronze age cultures, namely the Middle and New Kingdoms of Egypt, the Hittite Kingdom and the Minoan Civilisation."
http://books.google.com/books?id=3gbLeH ... ek&f=false

The Minoans traded with Egypt and Cyprus before the Myceneans. They were non-Greeks. "The Minoan language is a language of ancient Crete. Its relationship to Greek is unknown. Minoan was spoken before the island's civilization was replaced with that of the mainland. While attempts have been made to connect it to other languages, Minoan should be considered a language isolate until a linguistic affiliation can be ascertained. The Minoan language was written in Linear A, a syllabary used extensively up to 1420 BC, primarily for the purposes of religious inscriptions and administrative records in the Minoan civilization."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eteocretan_language

So here we can see that the Myceneans migrated into the region from Southern Russia, overtook the region, copied other existing cultures, the Minoan language was replaced by Mycenean and so too was Minoan trade with Cyprus and Egypt. How many of the existing non-Mycenean (or non-Greek if you prefer) inhabitants were new comers and how many were indigenous people who adopted the Mycenean language is anybody's guess, but it does put a big question mark on DNA theories pointing to Mycenean origins...

It is also debatable whether Cypriot culture is close to Greek at all? I believe it is closer to Middle Eastern culture, as geographically and topologically it is Middle Eastern. Halloumi / Hellim derives from the Arab word حلوم (Halum). Molokhia is Egyptian. Kolokassi is Egyptian.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloumi

Greek Orthodox Christianity exists as I said earlier in Egypt, Syria and elsewhere, even in India. The believers today in these lands do NOT identify themselves as "Greek." In Cyprus Christianity has been closely linked to the Jewish Christianity of Syria. Its historical development is therefore different to that in Greece and closer to the Middle East. http://books.google.com/books?id=IVpoC6 ... ty&f=false

Cypriot-Greek vernacular is considered as a separate language by some experts. "Cypriot Greek shows differences on all levels that invite classification as a separate language" Visit this website: http://books.google.com/books?id=95xRi_ ... ge&f=false

As for DNA, Read this:

Auteur(s) / Author(s)
BAYSAL E. (1) ; INDRAK K. ; BOZKURT G. ; BERKALP A. ; ARITKAN E. ; OLD J. M.
; IOANNOU P. ; ANGASTINIOTIS M. ; DROUSHIOTOU A. ; YÜREGIR G. T. ; HUISMAN
T. H. J. ;
Abstract
We have identified the β-thalassaemia alleles in nearly all known Turkish
Cypriot β-thalassaemia homozygotes and in over 700 Greek Cypriot β-
thalassaemia heterozygotes living on the island of Cyprus. The data
confirmed earlier observations that the IVS-I-100 (G→A) mutation is present
for about 74–80%, while three other alleles [IVS-II-745 (C→G), IVS-I-6 (T→
C), IVS-I-1 (G→A)] occur at frequencies of 5–8%. Nearly identical
percentages were observed for the two Cypriot groups, quite different from
those for β-thalassaemia patients from Greece and Turkey. This suggests
close contacts between the two Cypriot communities during many centuries
without a major recent influence from Greek or Turkish β-thalassaemia
carriers.
Revue / Journal Title
British journal of haematology ISSN 0007-1048 CODEN BJHEAL
Source / Source
1992, vol. 81, no4, pp. 607-609 (1/4 p.)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1390250
Dr. Geoffrey Dean claims: “there is little genetic difference between Greek
and Turkish Cypriots.” Historically, he argues that Ottoman soldiers who
took up residence in Cyprus after the Conquest of 1571 were known to take up
to four Greek Christian wives and that intermarriage was more common than
people think. Pointing to another blood disease, Dr Dean argues that the
fact that the Thalessemia gene is prevalent in 16% of all ‘Greek’ and
‘Turkish’ Cypriots is evidence that their blood group is very similar and
quite different to Greeks and Turks. In fact, Dr Dean says: “They are
Cypriots not Greeks or Turks.”




Finally, read Rebecca Bryant's brilliant book on Greek / Turkish nationalism in Cyprus. She notes that it was the 'Greek' and 'Turkish' Cypriot nationalist intellectuals of the 19th and 20th century who created the Turkishness / Greekness you seek to maintain.

http://books.google.com/books?id=Tx7fgu ... q=&f=false

And the Dorians were blond and blue eyed Nordic peoples.

But still very Hellenic as were the Mycenaeans, an entirely different peoples all together.

Go back far enough and you will discover that we all came from Africa, and so ethnic origins can only be assigned to groups of people that share the same culture, heritage, language and/or religion. And this is the main reason why the overwhelming majority of Cypriots are Hellenic. Their DNA makeup can also be further back up evidence, but this is by no means the determining factor.

An Australian can consider themselves Hellenic, and many do.

[Simon]

Omer, I have to go to bed now, I will though reply in full to your post later, because they are all arguments that can easily be disposed of.

Suffice to say, your own quote calls Mycenaeans 'proto-Greeks'. What do you think this means? It means they were the first/original Greeks! So your own quotes are agreeing with what I'm saying!

And what Paphitis says is spot on. Your arguments against GCs being Greek can be said of almost any other ethnicity in the world.

Every civilisation has borrowed from each other, so that is irrelevant, every tribe must have migrated from somewhere, so that is not relevant, and Greek Cypriots obviously speak a dialect of Greek. You may have found one person that questions this, big deal, I can find 20 different links confirming that it is accepted by most experts as a Greek dialect. I speak the language, and I can understand Greeks from Greece just fine, so what does that tell you? The GC dialect is very similar to the dialect in Rhodes, so does Rhodes, a Greek island, speak a different language as well? As for genetics, have you looked at the evidence Oracle has posted?

This will do for now, I will reply more fully tomorrow if I get the chance.

[Lit]

Before some clever dick says "Oh but we are Greek Cypriots because we speak Greek..." let me ask you what you would call a Cypriot who speaks both Greek and Turkish, would you call him / her a Greco-Turkish Cypriot?

What if they spoke French and Russian too, a Russo-Franco-Greco-Turkish Cypriot?

And what if they only spoke English like most of our diaspora, would we call them Anglo-Cypriots?

And if they were from Liverpool, a Scouse-Cypriot?

Man you got some nuts on you. Who are you to question us Greek Cypriots? How dare you. Is anyone questioning you on why you call yourself a Cypriot? Are you a RoC national? Your grand mother was of Nubian descent and your father's side is a mixture of Anatolians and Palestinians. These are your words. You are living in the UK for more than a decade and yet come here telling us that your a Cypriot and nobody is questioning you. Listen, dont you ever question my ethnicity. Are we clear?

[The Cypriot]

Find the Cypriots, Greeks and Turks on this ...

OMG, The Cyps are dangerously close to the Lebs - closer to anyone else. Are you sure this is accurate.

Exactly! ... all the data confirms nearest-neighbour analysis. So of course we share a high degree of similarity with Lebanese. But look how far the Turks are even though geographically they are in our face! That is more evidence of how little the Cypriots mixed with the Turks. And completely trashes Omer's fairy-stories.

There will be more ....

Not sure what this graph means but the Cyps are far, far too close to the Lebs for my liking. While the Gres are closer to ESics than they are to us. Why aren't Cyps and Gres the same or next to each other? This bothers me. Are you sure this is accurate?

The Dutch are closer to the Spanish than we are to Greeks. How can this be?

And are the Cyps both GCyps and TCyps? Everyone knows they are separate. I hope they haven't been included together as this will surely skew the results.

And how come Turks are practically Algerians? Turks are much, much more Algerian than Cyps are Greek? What's that all about?

If you're going to try and blind us with science - esp. in a public forum where the Turkish propaganda machine (with their evil hidden agendas) will be watching - can't you find stuff that doesn't actually undermine our core belief systems? I can just about take it but there are others who simply aren't prepared for this kind of reality check and will be desperately trawling the net in a damage limitation exercise. Have you no compassion, woman?

[Paphitis]

I don't know what all the fuss is about, but it is self evident that Cypriots are rather close to Greeks, ESic, and Lebanese.

This is of course supported from historical data since Cyprus was not only influenced from massive Greek migration, but was also influenced by Phoenicians.

Not that it matters one bit, because nothing changes the fact that Cypriots share a common language, cultural, and religion, making them overwhelmingly Hellenic.

And as Lit said, no one has the right to question any person's heritage, which just so happens to be Hellenic for most Cypriots.

Such matters are personal, and are deserving of a little more respect...

[The Cypriot]

And as Lit said, no one has the right to question any person's heritage, which just so happens to be Hellenic for most Cypriots.

Such matters are personal, and are deserving of a little more respect...

You tell her, Paphiti. How dare Oracle post a graph that causes me to question my personal heritage! She has no respect, showing me that Romanians are closer to Hungarians than Cyps are to Greeks. Her agenda is so transparent.

[Paphitis]

And as Lit said, no one has the right to question any person's heritage, which just so happens to be Hellenic for most Cypriots.

Such matters are personal, and are deserving of a little more respect...

You tell her, Paphiti. How dare Oracle post a graph that causes me to question my personal heritage! She has no respect, showing me that Romanians are closer to Hungarians than Cyps are to Greeks. Her agenda is so transparent.

Sarcasm is unbecoming Cypriot.

The data posted is just scientific proof, and on the whole it verifies the fact that Cypriots are VERY close to Greeks, EuSic and Lebanese.

What you derive from this data is completely up to you. You are free to reject all the scientific and historical evidence if you wish, or you could accept it.

The only members that are so eager to open such discussions are you and GR!. So how dare you question my ethnic origins or inheritance. Do I question your Cypriotness. No I don't. Unfortunately you question mine, and you should be ashamed of yourself!

Few people believe being Cypriot has nothing to do with Hellenism, most do. Deal with it and just let people be.

[The Cypriot]

The data posted is just scientific proof, and on the whole it verifies the fact that Cypriots are VERY close to Greeks, EuSic and Lebanese.

And bloomin' Albanians too! Sheesh.

The only members that are so eager to open such discussions are you and GR!. So how dare you question my ethnic origins or inheritance.

Why are you so sensitive about it? Is it a "Greek" thing?

Do I question your Cypriotness. No I don't. Unfortunately you question mine, and you should be ashamed of yourself!

Ashamed of what? I've never, ever questioned your Cypriotness. Why would I do that? You are Cypriot.

Few people believe being Cypriot has nothing to do with Hellenism, most do. Deal with it and just let people be.

No one believes Cypriot has "nothing to do with Hellenism". No one. There. I dealt with it.

[Get Real!]

How dare you.

...how dare you question my ethnic origins or inheritance.

I’ve got some new material for a new phase of attacks which proves beyond any reasonable doubt that ancient Greece wasn’t even a country, but a huge mandra full of livestock which were given voting rights by the Slavs, and the very birthplace of sheep shagging!