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[insan]

ONE CYPRIOT IS EQUAL TO THE WORLD!

HOW HAPPY WHO SAY I'M CYPRIOT!

From now on I'm a Cypriot in my dreams till I wake up tomorrow.

Good Night.

I can always whack you on the head and you'll remain a Cypriot...

He'll have a lump where his brains used to be... so he'll be more like a neo-Greek than a Cypriot.

U like having fun over reciprocal insultings, ehh? U lil, kiddy hypocrite!

[Get Real!]

I have already explained exactly how 'ethnicity' is calculated by most logical people. So why don't you take your Chorokoitian hallucinations and shove them up your arse!

If you can read English, you will find that I've already answered your stupid question. What a clown...

You’re almost broken in Simon…

And where's that little bitch Alexis hiding?

GR, I enjoy our duels because each time we have them, I am even more convinced that I am on the right side of the argument.

I know deep down you are well aware of just how Greek you are. If Greece one day liberates Cyprus, I'm betting you'd be the first one waving a Greek flag.

I hope you’re strong Simon, because if Greece ever attempts to “liberate” Cyprus I’ll have no option but to join the Turks in fear of Greek enosis!

At least against Turkey I’ve only got 37% to liberate, but against Greek enosis and our many Greek nationalist traitors, I stand no chance.

[The Cypriot]

ONE CYPRIOT IS EQUAL TO THE WORLD!

HOW HAPPY WHO SAY I'M CYPRIOT!

From now on I'm a Cypriot in my dreams till I wake up tomorrow.

Good Night.

I can always whack you on the head and you'll remain a Cypriot...

He'll have a lump where his brains used to be... so he'll be more like a neo-Greek than a Cypriot.

U like having fun over reciprocal insultings, ehh? U lil, kiddy hypocrite!

Hey, I'm not prejudice, insan. Everyone who sides against the Cypriot is fair game... neo-Ottoman or neo-Byzantine.

[Simon]

I have already explained exactly how 'ethnicity' is calculated by most logical people. So why don't you take your Chorokoitian hallucinations and shove them up your arse!

If you can read English, you will find that I've already answered your stupid question. What a clown...

You’re almost broken in Simon…

And where's that little bitch Alexis hiding?

GR, I enjoy our duels because each time we have them, I am even more convinced that I am on the right side of the argument.

I know deep down you are well aware of just how Greek you are. If Greece one day liberates Cyprus, I'm betting you'd be the first one waving a Greek flag.

I hope you’re strong Simon, because if Greece ever attempts to “liberate” Cyprus I’ll have no option but to join the Turks in fear of Greek enosis!

At least against Turkey I’ve only got 37% to liberate, but against Greek enosis and our many Greek nationalist traitors, I stand no chance.

Now I know you don't mean that.

I thought you wanted the Greeks to liberate Cyprus GR, you even started a thread about it.

[Omer Seyhan]

Firstly, do you believe that what this man has written is the only way you can define ethnicity? Who gave him the monopoly? There are several ways you can define ethnicity, here is one of them:

•an ethnic quality or affiliation resulting from racial or cultural ties; "ethnicity has a strong influence on community status relations"

Even by this definition you cannot prove to be ethnically 'Greek'. Cypriot racial characteristics are more like the Semitic people of the Middle East, while large parts of our culture is closer to Egypt and Lebanon than it is to either Greece or Turkey.

Here is another one:

'Designating a social group within a cultural and social system, often with common traits including religious, linguistic, ancestral or physical characteristics.'

Universal Dictionary.

This is not a good definition since Greek Cypriots share a religion with people who are not Greeks. Ever heard of the Greek Orthodox Church of Alexandria in Egypt where there are 1.2 million Greek Orthodox Christians?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Orth ... Alexandria

Did you read your own quote? It states that common ancestry is usually a myth!! You shot yourself in the foot there! So what am I supposed to prove, a myth! If it helps, the Greek Goddess Aphrodite was born from Cyprus' shores, Cypriots believed in all the same myths as the Greeks, and King Evagoras of Salamis (410-374 BC) believed he was the half brother of Ajax, the mythical Trojan hero. Further, if the settlement of Mycenaeans was a myth as you claim, then there you go, we have our myth!

That was for! I know its a myth but did you? Was it not you who claimed the Greek Cypriots descended solely from the Mycaeneans?

Moreover, what would you consider proof of common ancestry? Bearing in mind we're talking about so long ago. We can't go back in time, so all we can go by is what we have found in Cyprus. It appears that the world's historians believe they have found enough proof about Mycenaean and other Greek colonisation of Cyprus, so that is enough for me. Forgive me if I decide to believe the world's experts and museums over you and GR.

So...you still believe in your myth? Apparently the museums now hold the evidence....

We have had a common name ("Greeks") for thousands of years and ever since the word was used. That makes us as Greek as anyone else. Just because the Mycenaeans never used the actual word "Greek" it doesn't mean they weren't. "Greek" is only a label or description. Does an idiot have to be called an idiot, before he is one? Further, it was not only the Mycenaeans that colonised Cyprus, but other Greeks as well from the Dorian invasions onwards.

But you cannot give them a name that they never used to identify themselves. Like the Anglo-Saxons etc you must call them by their original name, which is Mycaeneans. It is questionable whether they became Greeks. Certainly it can be argued that their language survived and became Cypriot-Greek but to assume the Greek Cypriots descend from these people alone is baseless.

Let me ask you, if the Greek Cypriots all become Turkish in 2000 years time, would you like it if 'experts' starting calling you Turkish because you became one?

Greek migration happened thousands of years ago, so of course there is no memory! What a silly comment. What we have is archeological evidence, which is all we can have, unless you have a time machine? And the archeological evidence matches the written records and the cultural identity of Cyprus. Where is your proof that Mycenaeans did not settle? We have plenty of proof showing their existence. We also have the evidence that Cyprus emerged as a culturally Greek island, that was speaking Greek and shared all the same religious and cultural beliefs and customs as other Greeks, so how did all that happen? What about the accounts following the apparent Dorian invasions of other Greeks fleeing to Cyprus? They speak English in Jamaica because the British ruled the island, so there is still obviously a connection. But the Greeks didn't rule Cyprus as such, but colonised it instead, and founded various city-states. This is all historically accepted.

I am not arguing that they settled or that they didnt settle. I dont know. Since racial purity is not our goal it doesnt matter. What matters is that even if they did settle, since it was such a long time ago it does not and cannot possibly make you Greek. You are forgetting all the other influences linguistic, cultural, religious etc etc on the Cypriots in between their arrival and now. That is a huge amount of time you are dismissing!

The Anglo-Saxons became known as the English, the Franks, French etc, just like the Mycenaeans became known as Greeks. You actually again shoot yourself in the foot here, because if you're saying that the GCs are not Greek because the Mycenaeans were not called Greeks, then by your own example, the English can't be English, because Anglo-Saxons never heard the term 'English', or the French can't be Franks, because 'French' was not a recognised term to the original Franks etc etc. Do you now see how stupid your argument is? Again I ask you, do you have to call an idiot an idiot before they actually are?

Not really. DNA research reveals that the Anglo Saxons mixed with the local Celts in England and many English are a mixture. Surprisingly though, a great number of English also showed signs of having no Anglo-Saxon connection at all, indicating that there was only limited Anglo-Saxon input and that the Celts had simply assimilated. This destroys past expert theories that the Celts were massacred or pushed towards Wales and Scotland.

To prove my point again on why you can never claim a single ancestry, not all French descend from the Gauls. Many have Germanic and Latin origins as well as Basque. The majority of French are mixture of all of these with the exception of those living in the most remote areas like Finistere in Brittany.

Yes, all these people did come to Cyprus, but what is your point? Are you again having reading difficulties as previously when you thought I said that all TCs were GC converts? I stated previously that there is no such thing as being racially pure, the GCs are a mixture of different peoples like every other ethnicity. But regardless of how many people settled on Cyprus, GCs maintained their Greek language, culture and identity. It is actually a miracle when you think about it, considering all the invasions Cyprus has had. But it is a testament to Hellenism.

My point is and I cant believe you haven't got it, is that you cannot rely on a single ancestry! So your claim to be Greek is utter rubbish.

See above, you still seem caught up on this racial pure thing.

Its not a racial thing. You cannot claim to be Greek because of the Mycaeneans but then turn around and say, but mind you I have so many other ingredients too. Its a bit like a road sweeper saying: "I've had this broom for 25 years, but I've changed the brush 47 times and the stick 51 times since then!"

Look how many immigrants/those born of mixed marriages in England, does this mean the English are not English? Again, you're just talking about racial purity, which is not relevant.

This is a different issue as the land is called England and it has an official status. You're claiming that Greek Cypriots (who are Cypriots) are ethnically Greek (another country), which is baloney.

Using your own argument one can claim with justification that there are many origins and immigrants in Cyprus and people of mixed marriages, does this mean we are not all Cypriots?

I don't dismiss anybody. It seems you struggle to read and understand basic English. Further, there was never a mass colonisation of Cyprus, which supplanted the overwhelming majority of GCs, but just small additions, the largest being Turkish Ottomans, now known as TCs. This is why genetic evidence does in fact show a similarity with all Greeks including GCs as I pointed out to you earlier but you ignored.

How did you measure that? Nobody knows, even historians and experts claim they do not fully know but you do...

You cannot deny the reality on the ground today, which is that the majority of Cypriots identify as Greek Cypriots no matter what you say, and have done for a long time, ok?

Once the majority of the word thought the world was flat.

[insan]

ONE CYPRIOT IS EQUAL TO THE WORLD!

HOW HAPPY WHO SAY I'M CYPRIOT!

From now on I'm a Cypriot in my dreams till I wake up tomorrow.

Good Night.

I can always whack you on the head and you'll remain a Cypriot...

He'll have a lump where his brains used to be... so he'll be more like a neo-Greek than a Cypriot.

U like having fun over reciprocal insultings, ehh? U lil, kiddy hypocrite!

Hey, I'm not prejudice, insan. Everyone who sides against the Cypriot is fair game... neo-Ottoman or neo-Byzantine.

I don't remember I've ever insulted u in ur fair game. U think it's difficult for me to reciprocate ur insults in ur fair game? Peeeehh! Too easy, kid!

I told u that i don't bite unless i am bit.

[Get Real!]

I have already explained exactly how 'ethnicity' is calculated by most logical people. So why don't you take your Chorokoitian hallucinations and shove them up your arse!

If you can read English, you will find that I've already answered your stupid question. What a clown...

You’re almost broken in Simon…

And where's that little bitch Alexis hiding?

GR, I enjoy our duels because each time we have them, I am even more convinced that I am on the right side of the argument.

I know deep down you are well aware of just how Greek you are. If Greece one day liberates Cyprus, I'm betting you'd be the first one waving a Greek flag.

I hope you’re strong Simon, because if Greece ever attempts to “liberate” Cyprus I’ll have no option but to join the Turks in fear of Greek enosis!

At least against Turkey I’ve only got 37% to liberate, but against Greek enosis and our many Greek nationalist traitors, I stand no chance.

Now I know you don't mean that.

I thought you wanted the Greeks to liberate Cyprus GR, you even started a thread about it.

That thread aimed to put Greek nationalists in the spot.

Greek enosis, is the worse of the two evils because it encompasses the whole island, and the mind, body, and soul of all our citizens! Our extinction would be guaranteed!

[The Cypriot]

Can you believe 43% of people on this Forum don't acknowledge the existence of these Cypriots?

[Omer Seyhan]

Another quick but very useful point, I'm a Cypriot, if I am asked to elaborate then I will say that it is the current trend that I call myself a Turkish Cypriot but my DNA haplogroup does not support that.

So if you would call yourself a Turkish Cypriot, why the hell are you arguing against me being a Greek Cypriot! Another contradiction you expose!

Simple Simon, I didn't. I said "it is the current trend..." I disagree with it.

[Omer Seyhan]

Oracle wrote: That's because you made the mistake that there was a break in ethnicity and one lost touch with their roots. This happened to Turks with their nomadic habits and revisionism but is not common in the Greek world of strong record keeping (especially more recently with the Byzantines).

On the contrary, the Ottomans were famous for keeping records on absolutely everything.

The Mycenaeans were from the Peloponnese!

Yes but they first established colonies in Anatolia from which they most likely went to Cyprus.

We know exactly when and why English was introduced to Tonga and the memory of Greek migrations are written in countless records ... a little foreign to Turks as they did not learn to read and write until recently and then set about distorting history. No wonder it seems so strange to you ...

On the contrary, the Gokturks who spoke a language similar to Oghuz-Turkish (I will not call them Turks) used the runic script, had their own grammar and left behind some fascinating tablets in Russia, Kazakhstan and Mongolia.

You have this the wrong way round ... The word Greek is an English word since that is what we use to communicate now ... that does not mean Greeks did not exist until the English came along and gave them a word. Just because you cannot cope with names in context, it doesn't mean others cannot.

Are you in kindergarten still?

I honestly dont think they used the Greek equivalent of the English word "Greek" in this period of history. If they did then it was never meant to be an ethnonym but rather a term used for an alliance of different polities. You are referring to the word "Greek" as an ethnonym not as a term for an ancient alliance, so your use of the term for this period of history is wrong.

Yes, I am in Kindergarten and you're getting your ass kicked by a kid! I bet you feel great about yourself...

It didn't stop with the Mycaenians so don't get too hung up ... the Greeks have been sailing to and fro between Cyprus and the other Hellenic holds for thousands of years until the present! BTW The Greeks did not tend to mix with barbarians ...

As my old man who is from a mixed village used to say, a hole is a hole. He can tell you quite a few stories of how we 'Greek' and 'Turkish' Cypriots did quite a lot of mixing in our time. Its a pity we cant continue, man I want things to be as they were before...

There is no evidence of such mixing between Ottomans and Cypriots ... other than possible sporadic events which have not left a fingerprint ...

So naive, so naive....