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[Simon]

Another quick but very useful point, I'm a Cypriot, if I am asked to elaborate then I will say that it is the current trend that I call myself a Turkish Cypriot but my DNA haplogroup does not support that.

So if you would call yourself a Turkish Cypriot, why the hell are you arguing against me being a Greek Cypriot! Another contradiction you expose!

[Get Real!]

Common Ancestry- usually a myth about common descent

Did you read your own quote? It states that common ancestry is usually a myth!! You shot yourself in the foot there!

But he's also shot your "hellenic" hallucinations right up the arse!

Or did you assume there's a mathematical formula to calculate "ethnicity"?

[Simon]

Secondly, it is not "another ethnos". You still haven't understood GR that Greece does not have the sole rights to being Greek.

Get Real wrote:

Who fed these STUPID ideas in your head? [/quote]

Why is it stupid? Are you saying you must be from Greece to be ethnically Greek, because that is stupid!

Simon wrote:

Just like there are many Turkic states, there can be more than one Hellenic one.

Get Real wrote:

What the hell are you talking about? Turkic people are around 200 million mainly because of Ottoman conquests which spanned from one end of Asia and went right up to the middle of Europe!

How can you compare that with Greece’s pitiful territorial REGRESSIONS!!!

What has that got to do with anything? Greeks colonised the Mediterranean thousands of years ago, the Turks colonised Asia and Europe more recently, what is your point? From 1821 Greece has only expanded, and Turkey has regressed, I'm afraid. The fact is Cyprus can be Greek just like there are other Turkic states where Turks settled.

Get Real wrote:

If you look at a world map that fits your screen, Greece is not even visible! Where exactly are these… “people of the Greek ethnos” you’re imagining?

What has Greece being visible got to do with anything? Half the time you don't even make sense GR. You need to look no further than Greece and Cyprus for the Greek ethnos you ignoramus!

[Simon]

double post.

[Oracle]

1. Sharing ethnicity requires a common ancestry! You cannot even prove yours!

That's because you made the mistake that there was a break in ethnicity and one lost touch with their roots. This happened to Turks with their nomadic habits and revisionism but is not common in the Greek world of strong record keeping (especially more recently with the Byzantines).

2. Common proper name - This is impossible since the Mycaeneans did not refer to themselves as "Greeks". But you could call them Anatolian if you like since that is the land mass from which they came.

The Mycenaeans were from the Peloponnese!

3. There is no memory of Greek migration to Cyprus. All we have are a few ruins. In fact, I dispute that Greek Cypriots are descended from the Mycaeneans. Why not? You can't prove it. Language means nothing. They speak English in Tonga and Jamaica, it doesn't mean they are the same ethnicity as the English.

We know exactly when and why English was introduced to Tonga and the memory of Greek migrations are written in countless records ... a little foreign to Turks as they did not learn to read and write until recently and then set about distorting history. No wonder it seems so strange to you ...

You claim the Mycaeneans were "Greek" even though "Greek" was not a term recognised then... how is that possible? Shall I call the Anglo-Saxons English? Or the Vikings - Norwegians? Or the Gaulish French? Or the Urartians Armenians? And what of the Etrusians, shall we call them Italian-Slovenes? Do you see how stupid your argument is?

You have this the wrong way round ... The word Greek is an English word since that is what we use to communicate now ... that does not mean Greeks did not exist until the English came along and gave them a word. Just because you cannot cope with names in context, it doesn't mean others cannot.

Are you in kindergarten still?

And so what if the Mycaeneans did come to Cyprus? How about the arrival of many other people after the Mycaeneans? How about the Jews of the Roman period, Nestorian Christians (Copts, Assyrians, Chaldeans) who fled to Cyprus, which was a refuge for Christians after the fall of Jerusalem? How about the Arab and Turkish slaves prior to 1571 who were forced to convert to Christianity? How about the Armenians too who settled here or the Templar knights, Franks, Latins, or Maronites?

It didn't stop with the Mycaenians so don't get too hung up ... the Greeks have been sailing to and fro between Cyprus and the other Hellenic holds for thousands of years until the present! BTW The Greeks did not tend to mix with barbarians ...

All these people settled in Cyprus well after the Mycaeneans, constantly adding to the Cypriot DNA pool, how can you dismiss them but emphasize the Mycaeneans?

There is no evidence of such mixing between Ottomans and Cypriots ... other than possible sporadic events which have not left a fingerprint ...

You cannot be so selective about your history or try to rewrite it Simon because it suits your political goals or the present trends.... ok?

Seems to me, between your revisionism and "little knowledge" you have made a Greek salad of your "theories" ...

[Get Real!]

Dude, aside from Greece, you won’t find any Greeks anywhere else in the world worth counting!

So where is this HELLENIC ETHNOS you’re having premature ejaculations over?

Give me a TO --> FROM!

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[Simon]

Common Ancestry- usually a myth about common descent

Did you read your own quote? It states that common ancestry is usually a myth!! You shot yourself in the foot there!

But he's also shot your "hellenic" hallucinations right up the arse!

Or did you assume there's a mathematical formula to calculate "ethnicity"?

How has he done that? By stating we need a myth to prove our origins? I thought you were against myths GR?

I have already explained exactly how 'ethnicity' is calculated by most logical people. So why don't you take your Chorokoitian hallucinations and shove them up your arse!

[Simon]

Dude, aside from Greece, you won’t find any Greeks anywhere else in the world worth counting!

So where is this HELLENIC ETHNOS you’re having premature ejaculations over?

Give me a TO --> FROM!

If you can read English, you will find that I've already answered your stupid question. What a clown...