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[Oracle]

The phrase Turkish/Muslim actually means TCs,

Really?

I don't think so!

But, according to your definition, they are indistinguishable from the enemy occupant colonising our island!

What a load of rubbish Oracle.

I am honestly fed up with you at this point, so just don't talk to me for a while...

Torturous when you realise you are wrong and you cannot get out of it!

Oracle, if it makes you feel better, you are right and I am wrong.

Just don't talk to me right now because you do my head in and I could not be bothered with your wishy washy logic that absolutely makes no sense and contradicts itself ad nauseum!

Go and bother Deniz for a while...

No, it doesn't make me "feel better" becasue it was already clear to me ....

This is what you said:

The phrase Turkish/Muslim actually means TCs,

This is what I checked with the thread-author ...

So, the phrase "Turkish/Muslim" is not synonymous with TCs?

This is what he said:

No. It wasn't meant to imply that necessarily.

Give it a rest.

I am so not interested, and would be very happy if you ceased posting anything to me for quite a while...so please just get lost!

Sore loser

[Paphitis]

The Cypriot .... do you define the TCs as "Turkish/Muslim"?

I, personally, would define "TCs" as indigenous Cypriots with a notionally Muslim background - as we know many if not most TCs don't take religion that seriously.

So, the phrase "Turkish/Muslim" is not synonymous with TCs?

No. It wasn't meant to imply that necessarily.

But it does include a big proportion of TCs who are religious even in the slightest!

Which makes Oracles argument so fucked up!

That woman is a clear waste of time!

[The Cypriot]

It's all in your head. No one gives a shit.

That would explain the dozens of threads on this forum alone attacking the Greek heritage of Cyprus.

That's GR! He's playing with you. He's making you think. The best response would be to say, give it up, dude. It was a loooong time ago. We've moved on.

An equivalent obsession perhaps with which traditional Christians reject "obsessive" neo-intellectuals like Richard Dawkins for offering a different perspective on religion.

So now you're only offering a different viewpoint. Well then, this is our viewpoint, and it is no more obsessive than yours.

If you haven't studied Dawkins (and others like him) in detail you really ought to. His scientific logic is utterly unimpeachable and is causing nothing short of a paradigm shift in attitudes towards religion - certainly amongst intellectuals. It's why Christian fundamentalists, particularly in the US, have been up in arms. A very brave man.

Furthermore, the more you bang on about identity, the more people will defend theirs. You will not get people to change their minds (if that is your aim) by going about it like you are.

I don't think I have been banging on about it. Certainly not in a way that would compel people to defend what they believe is theirs. Perhaps you're confusing me with GR!.

Well maybe they should. It would do them some good to exercise some freedom of thought and freedom of expression.

They won't, because they have more common sense than you. They'll wait for you to declare yourself a TC, and you're half way there!

Oh dear. This last post is unbecoming of someone with intellectual aspirations, Simon.

[Oracle]

The Cypriot .... do you define the TCs as "Turkish/Muslim"?

I, personally, would define "TCs" as indigenous Cypriots with a notionally Muslim background - as we know many if not most TCs don't take religion that seriously.

So, the phrase "Turkish/Muslim" is not synonymous with TCs?

No. It wasn't meant to imply that necessarily.

But it does include a big proportion of TCs who are religious even in the slightest!

Which makes Oracles argument so fucked up!

That woman is a clear waste of time!

Aaahh ... a "big proportion" now?

That's it ... try and amend your intepretation ...

[insan]

TCs r Turkish, Cypriot and muslim... TCs don't want to be treated like a minority in a Greek, Cypriot and christian community.

Among TCs, there r ultra nationalists, nationalists, liberalists, conservatists... These type of ideologies exist in every nation... just like how in all other nations, bearing such ideologies don't affect their ethnicities; so does not affect the ethnicity of Turkish community.

U r free to define TCs whatever u wish but what matters how TCs define themselves... and there is the facts regarding TCs.

[Paphitis]

The Cypriot .... do you define the TCs as "Turkish/Muslim"?

I, personally, would define "TCs" as indigenous Cypriots with a notionally Muslim background - as we know many if not most TCs don't take religion that seriously.

So, the phrase "Turkish/Muslim" is not synonymous with TCs?

No. It wasn't meant to imply that necessarily.

But it does include a big proportion of TCs who are religious even in the slightest!

Which makes Oracles argument so fucked up!

That woman is a clear waste of time!

Aaahh ... a "big proportion" now?

That's it ... try and amend your intepretation ...

The interpretation is quite clear to most people on this forum, and you have just been playing word games and even come up with the most ridiculous interpretations of things.

You even stated that anyone who puts Cyprus and its legitimate inhabitants first is some kind of endorsement of Turkish Settlers!!!

Nice one Oracle...and now you have the audacity to say that I am amending interpretations to suit my argument?

[Get Real!]

You can ALL be reprogrammed to serve Cyprus’ national interests, just as you were programmed in the past to serve Greece’s or Turkey’s national interests.

At least this time you’ll be doing it for your own country as it should’ve been from the start!

[Simon]

That's GR! He's playing with you. He's making you think. The best response would be to say, give it up, dude. It was a loooong time ago. We've moved on.

It is not only GR, I would expect an aspiring "intellectual" like yourself to pay attention to such details. And he doesn't make me think, he just makes himself look stupid (IMHO).

An equivalent obsession perhaps with which traditional Christians reject "obsessive" neo-intellectuals like Richard Dawkins for offering a different perspective on religion.

So now you're only offering a different viewpoint. Well then, this is our viewpoint, and it is no more obsessive than yours.

If you haven't studied Dawkins (and others like him) in detail you really ought to. His scientific logic is utterly unimpeachable and is causing nothing short of a paradigm shift in attitudes towards religion - certainly amongst intellectuals. It's why Christian fundamentalists, particularly in the US, have been up in arms. A very brave man.

Not that this is relevant, but I haven't read Dawkins myself, although I have come across reviews of his work by non-religious critics, and some have said that his case is actually very tenuous. Obviously it is all about opinions I suppose.

Furthermore, the more you bang on about identity, the more people will defend theirs. You will not get people to change their minds (if that is your aim) by going about it like you are.

I don't think I have been banging on about it. Certainly not in a way that would compel people to defend what they believe is theirs. Perhaps you're confusing me with GR!.

You have questioned Cyprus' Greek character and identity many times in the past, as far as I can remember, although granted, you are not as bad as GR.

Well maybe they should. It would do them some good to exercise some freedom of thought and freedom of expression.

They won't, because they have more common sense than you. They'll wait for you to declare yourself a TC, and you're half way there!

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Oh dear. This last post is unbecoming of someone with intellectual aspirations, Simon.

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Yes, "intellectuals" often try to hide the truth for their own political ends. Who said I'm aspiring to be your sort of "intellectual" The Cypriot. Seems like you're half-way to being an "intellectual" as well as a TC.

[Paphitis]

You can ALL be reprogrammed to serve Cyprus’ national interests, just as you were programmed in the past to serve Greece’s or Turkey’s national interests.

At least this time you’ll be doing it for your own country as it should’ve been from the start!

Cypriot national interests are not served by rejecting the islands dominant inheritance!

[insan]

You can ALL be reprogrammed to serve Cyprus’ national interests, just as you were programmed in the past to serve Greece’s or Turkey’s national interests.

At least this time you’ll be doing it for your own country as it should’ve been from the start!

We will serve the interests of Cyprus and Cypriots, definately. We got Turkey to our side just in case if some groups of GCs exploit the numerical and economical advantages they have had in favour of themselves and most probably Greece's.