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[The Cypriot]

Is there a Banairin going on in your head? I asked a question, referring to a Greek nationalist - not you. Of course not all Greeks are nationalists. LAOS (nationalist party of Greece) scored less than 2.5% in the last elections.

There are no Greek nationalists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_Orthodox_Rally

There are many Cypriot nationalists (who happen to be GCs), and I don't think there is anything wrong with that.

Really? I know only a handful (not all GCs) and I know a lot of Cypriots. There are only four of us on this Forum.

Anyone having an affinity with Greece or their Greek heritage does not mean they are Greek Nationalists. It just means that this person derives some pride in their Hellenic inheritance...they are certainly not nationalists because of this.

The minority that is not Christian (I assume you are referring to the TCs) are in the most part Turkic, and most derive their pride from this cultural identity. Again, nothing wrong with that either, as long as the overriding loyalty is with Cyprus and not Turkey.

Their overiding loyalty to Cyprus would mean they should despise Turkey for what it has done and is doing to their country and all its legitimate people.

[Oracle]

The phrase Turkish/Muslim actually means TCs,

Really?

I don't think so!

But, according to your definition, they are indistinguishable from the enemy occupant colonising our island!

[Paphitis]

How do you know that for the most part Greek Cypriots are Mycaenean? Why do you call Mycaeneans 'Greeks'? Why as a Greek Orthodox Christian do you only identify with Greece? How about other Greek Orthodox Christians in Finland, Egypt, Syria? Are you especially religious?

Being Greek has absolutely nothing to do with bloodline or genes. We are not like the Nazi's in this day and age, and do not believe in the "superior" Arian or Hellenic race.

Dorians have Nordic origins, but this does not change the fact that they are Hellenes and contributed enormously to Hellenism. The same with the Mycenaeans, Cypriots, and whoever else consider themselves Hellenic.

Once again, Hellenism is just an ethnic grouping of peoples who share a common culture, heritage, language and religion...nothing more or less.

Ancient Cypriots are no more and no less "Hellenic" than the ancient Mycenaeans, Spartans, Athens, Corinthians, Sicilians etc. OK? No one is arguing and no one else gives a shit.

But modern Cypriots are totally obsessed with this millennia-old aspect of their identity. As far as I'm aware, this obsession has no equivalent anywhere in the world and is, frankly, embarrassing.

Cypriots are no less Hellenic than the Cretans, Athenians, Macedonians or any other Hellene living in America, Britain or Australia.

Hellenism is just an ethnic grouping of peoples that share a common cultural, linguistic and/or religious connection.

Most Cypriots are in fact Hellenes, no one can deny that,unless the said individual renounces this, which is their prerogative.

Yes, some Cypriots, a minority no doubt, have an identity crisis going on and that is quite embarrassing. Other younger nations such as Australia and America for example do humbly consider themselves to be Australian or American, but they too also recognise their original inheritance, whatever that may be, and this is accepted with due respect.

It seems that Cypriots that wish to do the same are committing a grotesque crime according to some....What a shame!

[Oracle]

The Cypriot .... do you define the TCs as "Turkish/Muslim"?

[Paphitis]

The phrase Turkish/Muslim actually means TCs,

Really?

I don't think so!

But, according to your definition, they are indistinguishable from the enemy occupant colonising our island!

What a load of rubbish Oracle.

I am honestly fed up with you at this point, so just don't talk to me for a while...

[Paphitis]

Is there a Banairin going on in your head? I asked a question, referring to a Greek nationalist - not you. Of course not all Greeks are nationalists. LAOS (nationalist party of Greece) scored less than 2.5% in the last elections.

There are no Greek nationalists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_Orthodox_Rally

There are many Cypriot nationalists (who happen to be GCs), and I don't think there is anything wrong with that.

Really? I know only a handful (not all GCs) and I know a lot of Cypriots. There are only four of us on this Forum.

Anyone having an affinity with Greece or their Greek heritage does not mean they are Greek Nationalists. It just means that this person derives some pride in their Hellenic inheritance...they are certainly not nationalists because of this.

The minority that is not Christian (I assume you are referring to the TCs) are in the most part Turkic, and most derive their pride from this cultural identity. Again, nothing wrong with that either, as long as the overriding loyalty is with Cyprus and not Turkey.

Their overiding loyalty to Cyprus would mean they should despise Turkey for what it has done and is doing to their country and all its legitimate people.

Thank you very much for that Cypriot, but as far as I'm concerned, anyone who is in fact over religious, has absolutely no right to class themselves as Hellenic, because that bloomin religion has hijacked and destroyed Hellenism the world over.

Hellenism has absolutely nothing to do with this Christian deity...and this religion has in fact, restricted our development and caused much regression.

[The Cypriot]

The Cypriot, modern Cypriots are only "obsessed" as you put it,

How would you put it?

because their identity is apparently coming under attack every which way they turn.

It's all in your head. No one gives a shit.

This "obsession" has only surfaced since the obsessive neo-Cypriots appeared trying to tell us what we are and what we are not.

An equivalent obsession perhaps with which traditional Christians reject "obsessive" neo-intellectuals like Richard Dawkins for offering a different perspective on religion.

It has a simple resolution. Everybody stop banging on about our identity, and instead put their energies into solving the national problem.

How can we when the vast most of Cypriots on this forum won't even put Cyprus and all its legitimate people first, godammit?

I mean, I don't see TCs tearing each other apart every 5 minutes about how they define themselves, do you?

Well maybe they should. It would do them some good to exercise some freedom of thought and freedom of expression.

[Oracle]

The phrase Turkish/Muslim actually means TCs,

Really?

I don't think so!

But, according to your definition, they are indistinguishable from the enemy occupant colonising our island!

What a load of rubbish Oracle.

I am honestly fed up with you at this point, so just don't talk to me for a while...

Torturous when you realise you are wrong and you cannot get out of it!

[Paphitis]

Really? I know only a handful (not all GCs) and I know a lot of Cypriots. There are only four of us on this Forum.

I also no a handful (not all GCs) and I know a lot of Cypriots, that are just wankers and seriously deluded. There are 5 of them on this Forum.

Keep it to yourself maestro, because no one actually cares who you consider to be a Cypriot or not. People are who they are and that is all that matters.

[The Cypriot]

The Cypriot .... do you define the TCs as "Turkish/Muslim"?

I, personally, would define "TCs" as indigenous Cypriots with a notionally Muslim background - as we know many if not most TCs don't take religion that seriously.