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[Oracle]

Still, it was more important to exclude anything labelled as "Turkish" (exclusively) as being in any way a definition of a Cypriot ....

Then you must be fair and exclude anything labelled as Greek. This is the only way your argument can ever hold water.

Such "exclusion" logic does not apply since, firstly, Greece is not the enemy occupant of Cyprus and, secondly, the (indigenous) native ethnicity of Cyprus is Greek.

[Omer Seyhan]

The “Greek Cypriot” we use to describe ourselves is just a LABEL that only came into use once the British took over to differentiate the Muslims from the Christians on the island. It has NOTHING to do with Greece or Greeks.

Actually, the Greek Cypriots have always been known as Greeks:

...'They were singing in the Greek tongue, so we could not understand them, because all the people in Cyprus speak Greek...'
Jacobus de Vevona, Augustian Monk
-visited Cyprus in 1335


...'The people in Limassol are Greeks and so are all the inhabitants of Cyprus, and they speak Greek...'
Oldrich Prefat, Czech nobleman
-visited Cyprus in 1546

'... for the Turks have no care themselves for agriculture, and if they see any of the Greek natives occupying themselves in cultivating the soil, or amassing wealth, they either harass them with avanie (so the Italians call the fraudulent tricks of the Turks), or drain their resources by exactions, and flay them, so to speak, to the bone...' Ioannes Cotovicus
Doctor of Civil and Canon Law, in the University, of Utrecht
-visited Cyprus in 1598-9

'... The Greeks and other Christian inhabitants cannot be but poor on account of the ill treatment and tyranny which they suffer from the Turks in their person and property... Very many of them, unable to hear any longer this cruel tyranny, wish to turn Turk; but many are rejected, becausee (say their lords) in receiving them into the Moslem faith their tribute would be so much diminished...'
Noel Dominique Hurtrel
"Du Voiage de Jerusalem "
-visited Cyprus in 1670

'... Cyprus surpasses every other Greek island in the number of natives illustrious for their birth, dignity, learning and saintliness... '
Abbe Giovanni Mariti
Official of the Imperial and Tuscan
Consulates, lived in Cyprus 1760-67
Author of the "Viaggi per I'Isola di Cipro"


'... Marcello Cerrutti, a distinguished Italian, formerly an ambassador, now a senator who had studied the Cypriots closely, characterized them truly when he said to me a few years ago in Rome': "Cyprus is the noblest aspect of Hellenism."
("Cipro e la piu nobile fisionomia del grecismo.")
Agnes Smith
Renowned British Novelist,
Author of "Glimpses of Greek Life and Scenery " etc,
visited Cyprus in 1883
(Extract from page 225 of her book
"THOUGH CYPRUS "
Published in England in 1887.

It is also clear that the Ottomans knew the Christians of Cyprus were Greeks, as did the Greek Cypriots themselves, before anything British arrived on the island:

'During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821. After a few years, the archbishops were able to regain authority in religious matters, but as secular leaders they were unable to regain any substantial power until after World War II.'

http://www.country-data.com/cgi-bin/query/r-3469.html

On the other hand, what is a new phenomenon is this idea of a "Cypriot":

'Cypriotism existed neither as a term nor as a concept of a shared identity before the tragic events of 1974. Both communities defined themselves rather as Turks and Greeks respectively.'

'Thus "Cypriotism" is not the result of a long process developed in centuries of identity building, but rather a concept developed by intellectuals aimed to overcome a political and social tragedy.'

http://dzforum.de/downloads/020101007.pdf

Old travelogues tend to contain inaccuracies, the authors' motives, the fact that they were usually not qualified or knowleagable about the places and people they visited and were more inclined towards making generalisations or presumptions must be taken into consideration. Many old travelogues I've read contain unbelievable biases and even racism. This questions their reliability as sources of information.

[The Cypriot]

'Thus "Cypriotism" is not the result of a long process developed in centuries of identity building, but rather a concept developed by intellectuals aimed to overcome a political and social tragedy.'

http://dzforum.de/downloads/020101007.pdf

Do you consider yourself an intellectual, Simon?

How is that relevant?

Are you not an intellectual unless you subscribe to this scheme? Must all intellectuals come to the same conclusion?

If, in order to be an intellectual, you must give up your identity which has been held for thousands of years, then an intellectual I am certainly not.

Thought so... but I still believe in you, your Beatitude.

[insan]

Re Gibrriyagi yerro. Here's something especially for u. It seems like a nice book. I'm on page for yet but it seems highly worth for reading.

http://books.google.com.tr/books?id=62z ... us&f=false

[Simon]

These are quotes GR of people who visited Cyprus many hundreds of years ago, it doesn't matter where they are quoted. Further, this is not an FYROM forum.

Funnily enough, you can't find these "quotes" anywhere else on the whole Internet!

I'm not surprised. You're talking about quotes made in Medieval times about a tiny island in the Mediterranean. It is hardly going to be plastered all over the World Wide Web is it? These quotes were obviously taken from a texts, as it states on the website.

A quick search will confirm that all these people did visit Cyprus at the said time.

But let me guess GR, this is all made up. Just like the rest of Greek history, in one big worldwide conspiracy, and only you and a few other "free thinkers" know the truth...

In fact, I bet the whole world is really only populated by Choirokoitians, but those evil European historians wanted to cover the truth.

[insan]

and here u can read it morer easily chapter by chapter...

http://www.cyprusexplorer.globalfolio.n ... /index.php

[The Cypriot]

Still, it was more important to exclude anything labelled as "Turkish" (exclusively) as being in any way a definition of a Cypriot ....

Then you must be fair and exclude anything labelled as Greek. This is the only way your argument can ever hold water.

Such "exclusion" logic does not apply since, firstly, Greece is not the enemy occupant of Cyprus and, secondly, the (indigenous) native ethnicity of Cyprus is Greek.

What about if you're only half Greek?

[Paphitis]

The above is all irrelevant because it does not take into consideration the fundamental different between ethnicity and nationality.

Greek Cypriot can not be considered any more of a label then any other world wide identifier. Cypriot, in accordance with the RoC constitution, denotes someones nationality, and Greek, Turkish, Armenian, Latin, and Maronite are the ethnic identifiers.

And anyone that challenges these ethnic identifiers can do so only on a personal level, because ethnic identifiers are undeniable by any other means, because ethnicity is derived to describe persons who identify with that particular language, culture, and/or religion.

And since the overwhelming majority of Cypriots identify themselves as Greek, due to cultural and historical links, then Hellenism can never be denied (except those that reject it personally).

Case closed...

[Paphitis]

Still, it was more important to exclude anything labelled as "Turkish" (exclusively) as being in any way a definition of a Cypriot ....

Then you must be fair and exclude anything labelled as Greek. This is the only way your argument can ever hold water.

Such "exclusion" logic does not apply since, firstly, Greece is not the enemy occupant of Cyprus and, secondly, the (indigenous) native ethnicity of Cyprus is Greek.

But this does not give you the right to exclude our TC friends.

[Get Real!]

These are quotes GR of people who visited Cyprus many hundreds of years ago, it doesn't matter where they are quoted. Further, this is not an FYROM forum.

Funnily enough, you can't find these "quotes" anywhere else on the whole Internet!

I'm not surprised. You're talking about quotes made in Medieval times about a tiny island in the Mediterranean. It is hardly going to be plastered all over the World Wide Web is it? These quotes were obviously taken from a texts, as it states on the website.

A quick search will confirm that all these people did visit Cyprus at the said time.

But let me guess GR, this is all made up. Just like the rest of Greek history, in one big worldwide conspiracy, and only you and a few other "free thinkers" know the truth...

In fact, I bet the whole world is really only populated by Choirokoitians, but those evil European historians wanted to cover the truth.

This guy on the Macedonian forum must’ve purchased exclusive rights to these "ancient quotes" because nobody else has access to them!