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[The Cypriot]

Turkish Settlers and TCs not loyal to RoC can only be classified by the following:

Someone who says they're Cypriot but only to give Turkey influence on the island.

Paphitis ... I am rather busy, so it would help if you concentrate!

The Cypriot wrote this for his Poll:

What's your definition of a Cypriot?

And you are suggesting answering with this:

Someone who says they're Cypriot but only to give Turkey influence on the island

Now put it all together .... and what have you got?

Your definition of a Cypriot is someone who says they are a Cypriot but only to give Turkey influence on the island.

Is that it? Is that what a Cypriot is to you?

No. That one was for VP.

[Oracle]

Such a statement could signify exclusion of Human Rights considerations for the individual. I therefore, could not endorse it.

Not really, because once an individual – or a group of individuals – exclude "Human Rights Considerations", they themselves become illegitimate.

That depends on what comes first ... people don't become "illegitimate" in this sense, but their actions ... which may came later after consideration!

You would have been better off placing "legitimate" before "considerations".

[Oracle]

They were not described as Turkish. They were described as Turkish/Muslim, and this includes ALL TCs.

That is an erroneous assumption.

Not all TCs are Muslim and not all TCs would say they were "Turkish" .... just as, for example, GR! would say he is GC but he would never say he is "Greek".

[Get Real!]

The “Greek Cypriot” we use to describe ourselves is just a LABEL that only came into use once the British took over to differentiate the Muslims from the Christians on the island. It has NOTHING to do with Greece or Greeks.

[Oracle]

The “Greek Cypriot” we use to describe ourselves is just a LABEL that only came into use once the British took over to differentiate the Muslims from the Christians on the island. It has NOTHING to do with Greece or Greeks.

Thank you GR!, that clarifies what I was trying to explain to Paphitis who seems to think the label "Turkish/Muslim" describes all TCs.

[Omer Seyhan]

1. In terms of Nationality, anybody who is from or affiliated to Cyprus. If you have ancestors from Cyprus and live anywhere in the world then you have a right to identify youyrself as a Cypriot. There are American-Cypriots, South African-Cypriots, Argentine-Cypriots, Congolese-Cypriots and even New Zealander-Cypriots.

2. In legal terms, you are only a Cypriot if you hold Republic of Cyprus citizenship since this is the only Cypriot state in Cyprus and the only recognised one internationally. The majority if not all of the 'TRNC citizens' who are Turkish Cypriots hold Republic of Cyprus citizenship as do most Turkish Cypriots abroad. TRNC 'citizenship' is also extended to many non-Cypriot Turks, Kurds etc, as it is a Turkish entity not a Turkish Cypriot one as some wishfully and naively assume, therefore it cannot be considered Cypriot.

After a settlement, the number of Federal Republic Cypriot citizens will increase two fold as diaspora Cypriots and many eligible settlers (those whose status will be decided at the negotiating tables) apply for citizenship.

[insan]

The “Greek Cypriot” we use to describe ourselves is just a LABEL that only came into use once the British took over to differentiate the Muslims from the Christians on the island. It has NOTHING to do with Greece or Greeks.

I wonder what were the national sentiments of Orthodox Christians after the independence of Greece.

During the British Rule, teachers from Greece were sent to Cyprus to spread Greek nationalism... Right? Therfore, it doesn't seem to me that it was only for differenciate the muslims from the christians in Cyprus.... No?

[Paphitis]

Turkish Settlers and TCs not loyal to RoC can only be classified by the following:

Someone who says they're Cypriot but only to give Turkey influence on the island.

Oracle wrote:

Paphitis ... I am rather busy, so it would help if you concentrate!

I'm rather busy too, but you are offering good entertainment this evening.

Oracle wrote:

The Cypriot wrote this for his Poll:

What's your definition of a Cypriot?

And you are suggesting answering with this:

Someone who says they're Cypriot but only to give Turkey influence on the island

Of course not! I am suggesting that someone who puts Cyprus and all its legitimate people ahead of all other considerations is the correct answer, because it is the only sensible way of answering the poll question, given the choices we have in this poll. You know this, but you are as stubborn as ever....

Oracle wrote:

Now put it all together .... and what have you got?

Can you get a grip please? I'm trying to see your non existent reasoning...which leads me to believe you misunderstood the poll. I hope so anyway.

Your definition of a Cypriot is someone who says they are a Cypriot but only to give Turkey influence on the island.

Is that it? Is that what a Cypriot is to you?

Turning the table now I see. I'm getting flashbacks here. Torture!

A Cypriot to me according to the choices given in this poll, can only be the following:

Someone who puts Cyprus and all its legitimate people ahead of all other considerations

The key identifier here is the word legitimate.

I'm surprised you missed this and selected the following:

Someone from Cyprus who isn't Turkish/Muslim

Despite you removing the word Muslim to suit, because ethnically a Turkish Cypriot is Turkish, otherwise Greek Cypriots are not ethnic Greeks and Armenians are not ethnic Armenians etc

So a Cypriot is someone who puts Cyprus FIRST, and this excludes Turkish Settlers.

[The Cypriot]

Such a statement could signify exclusion of Human Rights considerations for the individual. I therefore, could not endorse it.

Not really, because once an individual – or a group of individuals – exclude "Human Rights Considerations", they themselves become illegitimate.

That depends on what comes first ... people don't become "illegitimate" in this sense, but their actions ... which may came later after consideration!

In the civilised world you're innocent until proven guilty. The settlers from Turkey are illegitimate as their presence in Cyprus is against the Geneva Convention. Therefore a Turkish settler is excluded from this statement:

• Someone who puts Cyprus and all its legitimate people ahead of all other considerations

You would have been better off placing "legitimate" before "considerations".

What?

Definition of a Cypriot
• Someone who puts Cyprus and all its people (including settlers?) ahead of all other legitimate considerations

O, you're losing it. You sound like a Turkish general.

[The Cypriot]

The “Greek Cypriot” we use to describe ourselves is just a LABEL that only came into use once the British took over to differentiate the Muslims from the Christians on the island. It has NOTHING to do with Greece or Greeks.

Des efjes mu n' ashis.