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[YFred]

What possible reason could the Government of Greece have not to release its archives to the Committee for the Missing Persons other that to cover the number of GC missing that they are responsible for.

What about the archives belonging to another murderer Grivas. Why are they not available to the CMP?

DISY’s Giorgos Georgiou went a step further urging “the person who possesses the bulk of the archive belonging to (late) Georgios Grivas to hand it over.”

Grivas, whose nom de guerre was Dhigenis, was a controversial figure who led the Greek Cypriot struggle – against the British colonialists for union with Greece and was later involved in all major events before the coup. He died in January 1974.

The committee has not tried yet to legally force anyone to testify but it is understood that they can do if they wish.

Another obstacle in the investigation is the refusal of the Greek parliament to allow access to its own archives, collected following their own investigation into the events.

Greece at the time, from 1967 to 1974, was ruled by a military junta who played a pivotal role in developments in Cyprus and especially during the coup.

The committee said the Greek parliament does not even respond to requests to access the material.

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=47746

[insan]

What possible reason could the Government of Greece have not to release its archives to the Committee for the Missing Persons other that to cover the number of GC missing that they are responsible for.

What about the archives belonging to another murderer Grivas. Why are they not available to the CMP?

DISY’s Giorgos Georgiou went a step further urging “the person who possesses the bulk of the archive belonging to (late) Georgios Grivas to hand it over.”

Grivas, whose nom de guerre was Dhigenis, was a controversial figure who led the Greek Cypriot struggle – against the British colonialists for union with Greece and was later involved in all major events before the coup. He died in January 1974.

The committee has not tried yet to legally force anyone to testify but it is understood that they can do if they wish.

Another obstacle in the investigation is the refusal of the Greek parliament to allow access to its own archives, collected following their own investigation into the events.

Greece at the time, from 1967 to 1974, was ruled by a military junta who played a pivotal role in developments in Cyprus and especially during the coup.

The committee said the Greek parliament does not even respond to requests to access the material.

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=47746

Around 40,000 pages of documents were handed over from the army command alone.

The presidential archives regarding the period were destroyed during the July 15, 1974 coup, when the presidential palace was assaulted by forces seeking to overthrow president Makarios.

What's the excuse of Oracle, then?

[YFred]

What possible reason could the Government of Greece have not to release its archives to the Committee for the Missing Persons other that to cover the number of GC missing that they are responsible for.

What about the archives belonging to another murderer Grivas. Why are they not available to the CMP?

DISY’s Giorgos Georgiou went a step further urging “the person who possesses the bulk of the archive belonging to (late) Georgios Grivas to hand it over.”

Grivas, whose nom de guerre was Dhigenis, was a controversial figure who led the Greek Cypriot struggle – against the British colonialists for union with Greece and was later involved in all major events before the coup. He died in January 1974.

The committee has not tried yet to legally force anyone to testify but it is understood that they can do if they wish.

Another obstacle in the investigation is the refusal of the Greek parliament to allow access to its own archives, collected following their own investigation into the events.

Greece at the time, from 1967 to 1974, was ruled by a military junta who played a pivotal role in developments in Cyprus and especially during the coup.

The committee said the Greek parliament does not even respond to requests to access the material.

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=47746

Around 40,000 pages of documents were handed over from the army command alone.

The presidential archives regarding the period were destroyed during the July 15, 1974 coup, when the presidential palace was assaulted by forces seeking to overthrow president Makarios.

What's the excuse of Oracle, then?

She'll be along in a minute. She is not for one to be shy for too long.

[denizaksulu]

I believe that RRD was referring to these 'undisclosed' papers in the quote I made. I wish I kept the paper. Damn it today the bin men come.
I have reservations that NO GC's were ever killed during the coup in the Kyrenia area.


I am NOT denying that Turkish soldiers killed GC's.

[Nikitas]

TCs lived in Kyrenia. Do they report any fighting in the town during the week 15-20 July 1974?

I think you will find that there is nothing to report. The coup forces had the castle and port since they were barracks already.

Kyrenia had been quiet all through the previous months too, very few EOKA B actions took place in the town or the surrounding areas. It is ironic that the most peaceful part of Cyprus, the one with the fewest incidents of intercommunal or intraGC trouble became the focal point of the invasion.

[YFred]

TCs lived in Kyrenia. Do they report any fighting in the town during the week 15-20 July 1974?

I think you will find that there is nothing to report. The coup forces had the castle and port since they were barracks already.

Kyrenia had been quiet all through the previous months too, very few EOKA B actions took place in the town or the surrounding areas. It is ironic that the most peaceful part of Cyprus, the one with the fewest incidents of intercommunal or intraGC trouble became the focal point of the invasion.

Nikitas, there is a video clip of a captain in the GC NG talking about a Greek Officer in the Kyrenia area going around looking for leftist/dogs to kill and shooting him in the foot, explaining that only the presence of another officer saving his life.

[denizaksulu]

TCs lived in Kyrenia. Do they report any fighting in the town during the week 15-20 July 1974?

I think you will find that there is nothing to report. The coup forces had the castle and port since they were barracks already.

Kyrenia had been quiet all through the previous months too, very few EOKA B actions took place in the town or the surrounding areas. It is ironic that the most peaceful part of Cyprus, the one with the fewest incidents of intercommunal or intraGC trouble became the focal point of the invasion.

TV news did however show GC forces fire at Turkish jets from the top of Kyrenia castle with rifles and AA guns. They also mentioned that the entire TC population was imprisoned in the castle. So how could they know what was going on. If I remember rightly the NG Army camp was at Karava; do you think they would have been aware of anything? I am not so sure. The TCs have made half hearted attempts to conceal misdeeds, we know the RoC Gov was also capapble of such.

There will be benefits for all the misdeeds to come out in the open.

[EPSILON]

What possible reason could the Government of Greece have not to release its archives to the Committee for the Missing Persons other that to cover the number of GC missing that they are responsible for.

What about the archives belonging to another murderer Grivas. Why are they not available to the CMP?

DISY’s Giorgos Georgiou went a step further urging “the person who possesses the bulk of the archive belonging to (late) Georgios Grivas to hand it over.”

Grivas, whose nom de guerre was Dhigenis, was a controversial figure who led the Greek Cypriot struggle – against the British colonialists for union with Greece and was later involved in all major events before the coup. He died in January 1974.

The committee has not tried yet to legally force anyone to testify but it is understood that they can do if they wish.

Another obstacle in the investigation is the refusal of the Greek parliament to allow access to its own archives, collected following their own investigation into the events.

Greece at the time, from 1967 to 1974, was ruled by a military junta who played a pivotal role in developments in Cyprus and especially during the coup.

The committee said the Greek parliament does not even respond to requests to access the material.

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=47746

The government of Greece should-top of all- release information for the reasons Greek air force and Submarines did not appeare in Cyprus on 20July74.Then maybe all of us realise reason for which Turkey (with an army of 20 years back in capacity/technology, at that time, of this of Greece succeeded to walk on Cyprus land.

[Nikitas]

Deniz,

The coup started at dawn on July 15 with simultaneous attempts against the Presidential mansion, RIK, government offices etc. Force was used against targets that were known to be defended, like the police stations, HQ in Nicosia. There were no moves against TCs at this time. The TCs of Kyrenia would have been able to see and know what was going on in the town.

After July 20, the castle was used as a defense point and when the Turkish army arrived in town the BBC news showed the dead bodies of the defenders of the castle who had ran out of ammo and charged with bayonets. There are about a dozen dead soldiers strewn around the castle gate, on July 23 if memory serves. The news clip does not support the allegation of the castle being used as a prison.

During the coup days, July 15-19, "Soft" targets, like hospitals, telephone exchanges etc, were not attacked, in most cases the local EOKA B dudes simply turned up and took control.

My father reported for work on July 15 and in the car park he was met by an EOKA B man, a lawyer, who was surprised to see him. "I thought you people here were on leave" he said. "No, we expected you idiots to come and sign our leave papers" responded my father. He was told it would be better to return home which he did.

Considering that my father had been leading prosecutor of many EOKA B men, he would have been a prime target for arrest or elimination if that was the policy of the coup people.

[Nikitas]

Regarding the Grivas archives. What possible light can these shed on the events of July 1974?

Grivas died in January 1974 after an illness lasting some months.

Again, the quesion is why would the victims of GC clashes in Limassol, Paphos, Famagusta and Nicosia be transported to Lapithos to be buried in a mass grave?

A friend who is now an architect in London, was serving his national service in the medical corps in 1974. His task was to collect bodies during those days. I regard him as a reliable source because he is serious and apolitical. His task was to deliver bodies to the nearest hospitals.

There is also the testimony of doctors who were on duty in hospitals during the coup days and they do not state anything unusual happening with the dead at the time.