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[YFred]

What about the archives belonging to another murderer Grivas. Why are they not available to the CMP?

Just keep in mind that he died about 6 months prior to the Greek coup, in case you were thinking of holding him responsible for July/Aug 1974 casualties...

Come on, you should know better. I bet (I pray for forgiveness from Allah for betting during Ramazan) that he had in his possession all the plans of the coup in 74 and the fate of the TCs as well as the opposing GCs there after. Why else would they be kept secret from the CMP? Legal EU governments an all? Akritas2?

Good luck proving all the above…

I honestly don’t think Grivas is worth much of a mention when it comes to researching the July/Aug events, as the Greek government would’ve pressed on with their schemes with or without him.

In fact, it wasn’t until after his death that they could get their way in Cyprus.

Usually, 30 years of secrecy is sufficient. Why keep it that way, unless there is some incriminating evidence.

[Get Real!]

Usually, 30 years of secrecy is sufficient. Why keep it that way, unless there is some incriminating evidence.

To wrap up this argument…

Any notion that a 3-day coup resulted in the greater part of 5,000 odd casualties than the month-long and full-blown Turkish military invasion, makes no sense whatsoever!


Is this the argument?

[YFred]

Usually, 30 years of secrecy is sufficient. Why keep it that way, unless there is some incriminating evidence.

To wrap up this argument…

Any notion that a 3-day coup resulted in the greater part of 5,000 odd casualties than the month-long and full-blown Turkish military invasion, makes no sense whatsoever!


Is this the argument?

No GR thats not the argument at all. The argument is that RoC and Greece are hiding what they have done. Whether it was more ore less than the turks is not the argument here. If they accepted killing 97 and it was 300 for instance, or even a thousand, then what?

[Get Real!]

Usually, 30 years of secrecy is sufficient. Why keep it that way, unless there is some incriminating evidence.

To wrap up this argument…

Any notion that a 3-day coup resulted in the greater part of 5,000 odd casualties than the month-long and full-blown Turkish military invasion, makes no sense whatsoever!

Is this the argument?

No GR thats not the argument at all. The argument is that RoC and Greece are hiding what they have done. Whether it was more ore less than the turks is not the argument here. If they accepted killing 97 and it was 300 for instance, or even a thousand, then what?

These people were buried, or being buried, while the Turkish forces were about to land so we already know who they are and how many! A family would never accept shifting a loved one’s death to another date!

How can you get dozens or hundreds of families to cooperate with a government to pretend their loved ones died at another time and place while the Turks are invading?

[Nikitas]

In the two years preceding the coup there was intense EOKA B activity in Cyprus, but very little violence against the person. The usual actions were low powered bombs against cars. Why would there suddenly be a flare up in the level of violence once the coupists and EOKA B took control?

During these years my father was prosecuting attorney in the trials of several EOKA B people. He was also a founding member of EDEK and at one time candidate in elections. He certainly was not arrested.

Several cousins were also staunch Makarios people, one of them a tactical reservist. He was arrested during the coup but later released.

The battle at the presidential mansion caused a lot of damage but no casualties from what I have read.

The number of 97 dead in the coup sounds about right. The junta did not plan to execute people in Cyprus. It had not executed anyone in Greece in the 7 years it laste. Its methods relied more on summary imprisonment and mistreatment of prisoners to force them to sign those idiotic declarations of repentance (repenting their communism).

[insan]

In the two years preceding the coup there was intense EOKA B activity in Cyprus, but very little violence against the person. The usual actions were low powered bombs against cars. Why would there suddenly be a flare up in the level of violence once the coupists and EOKA B took control?

During these years my father was prosecuting attorney in the trials of several EOKA B people. He was also a founding member of EDEK and at one time candidate in elections. He certainly was not arrested.

Several cousins were also staunch Makarios people, one of them a tactical reservist. He was arrested during the coup but later released.

The battle at the presidential mansion caused a lot of damage but no casualties from what I have read.

The number of 97 dead in the coup sounds about right. The junta did not plan to execute people in Cyprus. It had not executed anyone in Greece in the 7 years it laste. Its methods relied more on summary imprisonment and mistreatment of prisoners to force them to sign those idiotic declarations of repentance (repenting their communism).

So, "resistence fighters" was a so-called armed force?

[YFred]

In the two years preceding the coup there was intense EOKA B activity in Cyprus, but very little violence against the person. The usual actions were low powered bombs against cars. Why would there suddenly be a flare up in the level of violence once the coupists and EOKA B took control?

During these years my father was prosecuting attorney in the trials of several EOKA B people. He was also a founding member of EDEK and at one time candidate in elections. He certainly was not arrested.

Several cousins were also staunch Makarios people, one of them a tactical reservist. He was arrested during the coup but later released.

The battle at the presidential mansion caused a lot of damage but no casualties from what I have read.

The number of 97 dead in the coup sounds about right. The junta did not plan to execute people in Cyprus. It had not executed anyone in Greece in the 7 years it laste. Its methods relied more on summary imprisonment and mistreatment of prisoners to force them to sign those idiotic declarations of repentance (repenting their communism).

There is a clip of 3 doctors talking about one Greek Oficer called Danos who was acting like a rabbied dog, you can hear what he got upto. I'll post it later.

[Nikitas]

Oh yes, the infamous major Danos!

There were prosecutions initiated against him but a political dcision was made to stop them and all prosecutions against all coupists.

The tactical reserve force was a unit of the police, more heavily armed, which was started by Makarios as an antidote to EOKA B. They were the spearhead of resistance to the coup.

[YFred]

Oh yes, the infamous major Danos!

There were prosecutions initiated against him but a political dcision was made to stop them and all prosecutions against all coupists.

The tactical reserve force was a unit of the police, more heavily armed, which was started by Makarios as an antidote to EOKA B. They were the spearhead of resistance to the coup.

Can you just reminds some of our more heroic members of the forum GCs and one TC as to exactly what did this Legally accepted RoC government applying True Justice, True Democracy and Respecting of Justice, True International Justice and True International Law, actually used as an argument to not prosecute a well known murderer. Otherwise Shit will hit the fan or the face! And then of course it’s the TCs that get accused of having a different smell.

[Oracle]

This article has nothing to do with the Lapithos mass graves.

It doesn't even allude to anything remotely connected to fanciful ideas grasped by insan in his continuing desperate attempt to excuse the Turkish regime from allowing the RoC and CMP to assess the contents of the mass grave.

The archives mentioned in this article, are probably things like proposed legislation, and such like, relating to the pre-1974 period.

If, as according to insan and brainless OP, there were hundreds of missing GCs allegedly killed by Greek or other forces pre-1974, then they would have been listed since GC relatives do not forget any missing folks.

Insan is posting the above in re3buttal of Nikitas allegations that no fighting took place between opposing forces during the coup. It has every relevance and is not denying any other killings that did take place. Oracle, dont be in denial.

Stop trying to protect insan who is trying to protect the Turkish regime!

I was referring to his posts before Nikitas (bless him for patiently illuminating you) joined in the debate (page 1)!