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[Paphitis]

Did you live on the Greek island of Cyprus during that time?

I lived on the CYPRIOT island of Cyprus, but a bunch of Greek Nationalist dogs saw fit to disrespect our sovereignty by overthrowing our democratically elected government and killing many of our people, thereby paving the way for a second group of deadly dogs, the Turks to come and finish us off!

A pity that the ugly realities of Realpolitik - by both sides - caused the current problem, GR. It's also a pity that you and I have different ideas as to solve the problem (you with reconciliation outside of all foreign influences and I with formalizing the partition). At least we both agree that certain countries made a mess out of things, and they will continue to do so as long as Cyprus has their strategic interest.

You are sadly way off the mark, because Greece does not occupy Cyprus, nor has it ethnically cleansed Cypriots from towns or villages. It forsakes its Guarantor rights in the hope that this would assist the RoC to liberate its occupied territories from Turkey, who has committed countless crimes and occupies the island thus forbidding the real Cypriots from returning to their rightful homes.

Greece assists Cyprus within various international fora like the UN, and in gaining EU membership, whereas Turkey only undermines and destroys...so give me Greece any day, for at least they respect the sovereignty of the RoC, bar one isolated miscalculation of judgement in 1974.....which in the most part we forgive but not forget...

[Paphitis]

It’s easy for a foreigner like yourself, to support/propose a dissection of another country but I’m sure you wouldn’t be so keen if they were talking about New Zealand.

I wouldn't bet the farm on that, GR. I was born in the South Island, and since most of the economic and political power in New Zealand is concentrated in the North, I do sympathise with those who advocate more autonomy for the South Island. Also, with the Maori renaissance well under way, their rights of self-determination should not be ignored.

Australia could invade the North Island, ethnically cleanse all Kiwi "scum" and create a Maori protectorate....

Its great we are on the same page here, and that you condone such activity...I only hope Australia heeds your call and "intervenes" within NZ by staging a "peace" operation...NZ after all is just an extension of Australia and so you are probably better off under our thumb....

But don't worry about a thing, because should this happen then you must know that we will come in peace just like the Turks did in 74...

If you Kiwis know what's good for you, you would greet the ADF with rose petals...

[Expatkiwi]

Australia could invade the North Island, ethnically cleanse all Kiwi "scum" and create a Maori protectorate....

Its great we are on the same page here, and that you condone such activity...I only hope Australia heeds your call and "intervenes" within NZ by staging a "peace" operation...NZ after all is just an extension of Australia and so you are probably better off under our thumb....

But don't worry about a thing, because should this happen then you must know that we will come in peace just like the Turks did in 74...

If you Kiwis know what's good for you, you would greet the ADF with rose petals...

I condone self-determination... period. To support one group while opposing another group's right to self-determination is hypocritical. The Turkish Cypriot people deserve this right as much as any other nationality. Sorry, Paphitis, but your counters to my arguments are not cutting much ice as far as I'm concerned.

That being said, I should tell you what I told GR once. I met a couple of Turkish tourists a couple of months ago, and while chatting, the topic turned to Cyprus. These Turks (Male, mid-30's) thought I was rather naive to support TRNC independence. They stated that the TRNC is not an end in itself, but a means to an end. They told me that the ultimate goal of Turkey's support of the TRNC is the eventual annexation of TRNC to Turkey, which is what they supported. I express total opposition to that as the mainland Turkification of the TRNC would effectively expunge the Turkish Cypriot identity, just as surely as the Maori overwhelming, and breeding out of the Moriori in the Chatham islands in the 19th Century. This has put me in a quandry: Is my support of TRNC actually supporting it's extinction? Judging from the history of Cyprus since independence, that actually puts the Turkish Cypriots between a rock and a hard place: Hellenization on one side, and Mainland Turkification on the other. So you see the reason why I support the TRNC as a seperate country is simply to ensure the Turkish Cypriot people's survival. What other choice can there be?

[Paphitis]

Australia could invade the North Island, ethnically cleanse all Kiwi "scum" and create a Maori protectorate....

Its great we are on the same page here, and that you condone such activity...I only hope Australia heeds your call and "intervenes" within NZ by staging a "peace" operation...NZ after all is just an extension of Australia and so you are probably better off under our thumb....

But don't worry about a thing, because should this happen then you must know that we will come in peace just like the Turks did in 74...

If you Kiwis know what's good for you, you would greet the ADF with rose petals...

I condone self-determination... period. To support one group while opposing another group's right to self-determination is hypocritical. The Turkish Cypriot people deserve this right as much as any other nationality. Sorry, Paphitis, but your counters to my arguments are not cutting much ice as far as I'm concerned.

That being said, I should tell you what I told GR once. I met a couple of Turkish tourists a couple of months ago, and while chatting, the topic turned to Cyprus. These Turks (Male, mid-30's) thought I was rather naive to support TRNC independence. They stated that the TRNC is not an end in itself, but a means to an end. They told me that the ultimate goal of Turkey's support of the TRNC is the eventual annexation of TRNC to Turkey, which is what they supported. I express total opposition to that as the mainland Turkification of the TRNC would effectively expunge the Turkish Cypriot identity, just as surely as the Maori overwhelming, and breeding out of the Moriori in the Chatham islands in the 19th Century. This has put me in a quandry: Is my support of TRNC actually supporting it's extinction? Judging from the history of Cyprus since independence, that actually puts the Turkish Cypriots between a rock and a hard place: Hellenization on one side, and Mainland Turkification on the other. So you see the reason why I support the TRNC as a seperate country is simply to ensure the Turkish Cypriot people's survival. What other choice can there be?

There is only one solution that will ensure the survival of the TCs. Anything less will just destroy and remove them from Cyprus forever.

This solution involves the removal of all Turkish troops from the island and the liberation and integration of the north within the rightful Republic of Cyprus, where all individuals will have guaranteed human rights and representation within the nation's Parliament and national institutions based on one man one vote, and where the nation is free from interference from all previous Guarantors such as Turkey, Greece and Britain.

There is only one independent Cyprus, and by your own admission, Turkey only wishes to annex the occupied territories which will no doubt lead to further expansion southward, thus not only removing the TCs but eventually removing all GCs from their ancestral lands just like 200,000 were forcibly removed from the 'north' in 1974. Therefore you too can only admit that for the TCs to have a future on the island, as well as the GCs, Turkey must go and leave us Cypriots alone to forge our own tiny nation within the EU.

[Oracle]

Once we agree a solution all will be gone not before.

Here, here :wink:

Are you calling in your goats or rounding up your Turkish troops?

[EPSILON]

Once we agree a solution all will be gone not before.

Yes but Christofias said they have to go now therefore they must comply!!!!

[Get Real!]

Australia could invade the North Island, ethnically cleanse all Kiwi "scum" and create a Maori protectorate....

You just love that scenario don't you?

You seem hell-bent on Australia invading and occupying someone!

[Paphitis]

Australia could invade the North Island, ethnically cleanse all Kiwi "scum" and create a Maori protectorate....

You just love that scenario don't you?

You seem hell-bent on Australia invading and occupying someone!

All I can say GR! is that if I ever became Prime Minister of Australia, my popularity will be short lived, because I would immediately mobilise the entire ADF and send the entire force over to Cyprus and put their skill to the test against Turkey whilst liberating Cyprus ...but no, I am not hell bent on invading others or on war for that matter....

The NZ thing was just to highlight Expat's hypocrisy...

[barouti]

I condone self-determination... period. To support one group while opposing another group's right to self-determination is hypocritical. The Turkish Cypriot people deserve this right as much as any other nationality. Sorry, Paphitis, but your counters to my arguments are not cutting much ice as far as I'm concerned.

Is that so? And what are your arguments exactly?

I was born in the South Island, and since most of the economic and political power in New Zealand is concentrated in the North, I do sympathise with those who advocate more autonomy for the South Island

So you support “partition” for Cyprus yet talk about “autonomy” for the South Island. So you want your country to remain united, and yet endorse the division of someone else’s country. That makes you a hypocrite.

But hey, way stop at Cyprus. Let’s partition Spain, and kick out the Spaniards from Catalonia, Galicia and Basque Country. Then we’ll partition Italy next, because of the existence of Lega Norda. The USA should definitely also be partitioned into European, Indian, Black and Hispanic nations. But of course when it comes to New Zealand, let’s mention “possible autonomy” just in passing.

Also, with the Maori renaissance well under way, their rights of self-determination should not be ignored.

The Maoris make up, what is it? 10% of the population of NZ? The Greeks in Cyprus 85%. So should 60% of NZ, ie the South Island be cleansed of its European population to make way for an indigenous-only state for the Maoris?

And how many Maoris have migrated to Australia exactly? Quite a few, haven’t they? They’re not very interesting in forming an indigenous state. So you can bravely support “self-determination” for the Maoris because they’re not really doing about it anyway. It’s easy to endorse when something isn’t a real threat.

[EPSILON]

As I said before, if the Turkish Cypriot do not like living with decent people of Cyprus, the Greeks.

Greeks and Turks have no place on Cyprus so pack your bags and paddle back to wherever the hell you came from.

What i feel is that people like you have no place in Cyprus since you have appeared in the Island only afrr 60's.
We are here for cenuries and we have fk up many others like you who were foreigners-is much easy for us to defend internal mise problems like yours