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[Simon]

Well actually the greeks haven’t fathomed how to fight full stop.

Your ignorance knows no bounds. How you can come onto a public forum and make such stupid comments is truly remarkable. Greek military strategy from the classical area is still studied in all the military academies. From the battles of Salamis and Marathon to the military strategies of Alexander the Great, the Greeks provided the template for many military ideas.

In the modern era, don't forget what Winston Churchill said of the Greeks who fought in the Second World War: "Today we say that Greeks fight like heroes, from now on we will say that heroes fight like Greeks."

Turkey on the other hand with an army of a million men cannot defeat a bunch of Kurdish guerrillas and keeps 40,000 troops on a small island to protect a bunch of Anatolian goat-herders. And still they are all going to have to leave and the Greek Cypriots haven't had to fire a single shot. Now that is what I call a strategy.

Statements like that are not made as a general point but to wind up the ultra nationalists on the forum. I thought that most liberls can tell when I am on windup to a nationalists. Before you read my posts please see who the reply is for. You will see that it was for Simon. When you consider the category Simon belongs to, it makes perfect sense. However I will ask you to be a bit more patient with me becasue I am not here to just post my thoughts.

Y-Freak, an ultra-nationalist, takes great pride from the fact that Turks are such great "fighters". From the Armenian genocide, to the Pontian genocide, to the Istanbul pogrom, to Cyprus' ethnic cleansing, the Turks have proved what great "fighters" they are. This is the category you must consider Y-Freak belongs to when you read his posts, so please be more patient with him. Once he is shown up for what he really is, like a coward he backtracks. After all, I made a point which was to clearly wind-up the ultra-nationalist Turks, of course liberals will understand who the post was meant for. And it worked like a treat. Along ran the Ataturk worshippers to defend their "great" country.

Simple Simon, the ultra nationalists are easily identified by their posts to the liberals, accusing them of being communists or turk lovers.
I shall say no more on the matter. I rest my case.

Wow, with your all-encompassing, watertight definition, I think you should rest your case, before you make yourself look more stupid than what I thought was humanly possible!

[YFred]

Well actually the greeks haven’t fathomed how to fight full stop.

Your ignorance knows no bounds. How you can come onto a public forum and make such stupid comments is truly remarkable. Greek military strategy from the classical area is still studied in all the military academies. From the battles of Salamis and Marathon to the military strategies of Alexander the Great, the Greeks provided the template for many military ideas.

In the modern era, don't forget what Winston Churchill said of the Greeks who fought in the Second World War: "Today we say that Greeks fight like heroes, from now on we will say that heroes fight like Greeks."

Turkey on the other hand with an army of a million men cannot defeat a bunch of Kurdish guerrillas and keeps 40,000 troops on a small island to protect a bunch of Anatolian goat-herders. And still they are all going to have to leave and the Greek Cypriots haven't had to fire a single shot. Now that is what I call a strategy.

Statements like that are not made as a general point but to wind up the ultra nationalists on the forum. I thought that most liberls can tell when I am on windup to a nationalists. Before you read my posts please see who the reply is for. You will see that it was for Simon. When you consider the category Simon belongs to, it makes perfect sense. However I will ask you to be a bit more patient with me becasue I am not here to just post my thoughts.

Point taken. Don't forget we're fighting to liberate the T/Cs from their oppressors too...

I shall not hesitate to lend my support for that cause too as soon as we achieve the first one. One step at a time otherwise we’ll find ourselves in the middle of the ocean with no life raft and unable to swim.

[Hermes]

PERUGIA -- Unity in Cyprus prerequisites the withdrawal of Turkish troops and Turkish settlers, as well as respect of the independence, territorial integrity and sovereignty of the Republic of Cyprus, President Demetris Christofias has stressed.

In statements to Italian and Cypriot journalists on his arrival at the University for Foreigners of Perugia, President Christofias pointed out that real unity in Cyprus - which will be founded on a functional state in the framework of a bi-zonal, bi-communal federation - “must be the unity of the state, the people, and the institutions”.

That unity, he added, must take into consideration what differentiates as well as what

unites Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots

, namely common interests and common civilisation built by both communities. “It must be a state which will be founded on a sociopolitical instead of a national context”, he noted.

“Such unity will be a guarantee for the security and the prosperity of the Greek Cypriots and the Turkish Cypriots, in the framework of the European Union”, he added.

President Christofias thanked President Giorgio Napolitano and Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi for the “cordial conversation” and their readiness to use the good relations between Italy and Turkey to help Cyprus’ reunification.
(CNA)

Nothing bad in this statement.

You are right. Christofias is absolutely clear in his vision that the EU is the guarantor power of Cyprus's future stability. That is the point that T/Cs need to understand. The ROC is in the EU now and this changes everything. Any future settlement must take into consideration this reality. It's time Talat woke up to this fact.

[EricSeans]

Expatkiwi,

Forgive me for casting doubt over your integrity over whether your alleged meeting with these "Turkish tourists" ever took place. Trouble is, there are not that many expat Kiwis frequenting these forums. And just the other day one of them with a similar writing style to your own posted this on Cyprus44:

Speaking of 'thuggishness', I well remember the demonstration at which the attempted hauling down of the Turkish flag incident occurred - it was GC bikers, who rode up to Nicosia from all over RoC, plus the students.

My Canadian (UNFYCYP) friend was on duty that day - apart from being verbally abused, spat at and physically threatened, he had sand flung in his face several times. He told me that one young GC wouldn't cease being confrontational, so he had no alternative but to clout him across the ear with the handset of his field telephone.

The member on that forum who challenged (you) about the truthfulness of that post - on two glaringly obvious points - was immediately banned from posting for 11 years. Here we enjoy freedom of expression. So maybe you have something to say?

Well, I can say that I was not the person who published the article you alluded to. BTW Those Turkish tourists I spoke to were in Little Rock, Arkansas, the same time I was waiting for my son to die at Arkansas Childrens Hospital (he was critically injured in a vehicle accident and finally passed away after being in a coma for 36 days. Get Real sent me condolences on my son's passing). Anyway, I had bumped into them at a masll in North Little Rock while shopping for some items to take to my wife back at the hospital (standing vigil over my son's hospital bed). I don't know if those tourists' attitude is typical of Turks in general, or a minority viewpoint. But I can tell you that I was shocked that they regarded my support of the TRNC being a totally independent state was naive.

I'm very sorry to hear that and it's very unfortunate there was some confusion, what with two people - each from New Zealand - on the Cyprus44 forum purporting to be different people yet frequently posting at the same time and with a near-identical writing style. One/both of these people was/were exposed to be telling lies. And both, like you (also a New Zealander), wrote like you and also supported the Turkish position in Cyprus.

If you could give me your son's name and the date he died I'd like to make a donation to Arkansas Children's Hospital. If you'd rather keep that more private, feel free to drop me a PM.

I appreciate the gesture, but it's not necessary. Thank you all the same for your condolences.

No, please I insist. It's unthinkable that someone would, among other fabrications, invent a tragedy involving a child in order to garner sympathy. Just PM me the details and I'll get on to Arkansas Childrens Hospital.

You are being rather disingenuous. If you wish to donate you have enough info there to be able to ring up the hospital and check that those facts are correct and that should be sufficient, If this story is true, you are being extremely callous if I may says so.

Unfortunately I don't have enough information and the facts can't be checked. That's why I've offered my sympathy and asked Expatkiwi to PM me the date and name so I can dedicate the donation. I find the fact that the only other "expatkiwi" on Cyprus forums - who also supported Turkey and was a brazen liar - is a hell of a coincidence.

[YFred]

Expatkiwi,

Forgive me for casting doubt over your integrity over whether your alleged meeting with these "Turkish tourists" ever took place. Trouble is, there are not that many expat Kiwis frequenting these forums. And just the other day one of them with a similar writing style to your own posted this on Cyprus44:

Speaking of 'thuggishness', I well remember the demonstration at which the attempted hauling down of the Turkish flag incident occurred - it was GC bikers, who rode up to Nicosia from all over RoC, plus the students.

My Canadian (UNFYCYP) friend was on duty that day - apart from being verbally abused, spat at and physically threatened, he had sand flung in his face several times. He told me that one young GC wouldn't cease being confrontational, so he had no alternative but to clout him across the ear with the handset of his field telephone.

The member on that forum who challenged (you) about the truthfulness of that post - on two glaringly obvious points - was immediately banned from posting for 11 years. Here we enjoy freedom of expression. So maybe you have something to say?

Well, I can say that I was not the person who published the article you alluded to. BTW Those Turkish tourists I spoke to were in Little Rock, Arkansas, the same time I was waiting for my son to die at Arkansas Childrens Hospital (he was critically injured in a vehicle accident and finally passed away after being in a coma for 36 days. Get Real sent me condolences on my son's passing). Anyway, I had bumped into them at a masll in North Little Rock while shopping for some items to take to my wife back at the hospital (standing vigil over my son's hospital bed). I don't know if those tourists' attitude is typical of Turks in general, or a minority viewpoint. But I can tell you that I was shocked that they regarded my support of the TRNC being a totally independent state was naive.

I'm very sorry to hear that and it's very unfortunate there was some confusion, what with two people - each from New Zealand - on the Cyprus44 forum purporting to be different people yet frequently posting at the same time and with a near-identical writing style. One/both of these people was/were exposed to be telling lies. And both, like you (also a New Zealander), wrote like you and also supported the Turkish position in Cyprus.

If you could give me your son's name and the date he died I'd like to make a donation to Arkansas Children's Hospital. If you'd rather keep that more private, feel free to drop me a PM.

I appreciate the gesture, but it's not necessary. Thank you all the same for your condolences.

No, please I insist. It's unthinkable that someone would, among other fabrications, invent a tragedy involving a child in order to garner sympathy. Just PM me the details and I'll get on to Arkansas Childrens Hospital.

You are being rather disingenuous. If you wish to donate you have enough info there to be able to ring up the hospital and check that those facts are correct and that should be sufficient, If this story is true, you are being extremely callous if I may says so.

Unfortunately I don't have enough information and the facts can't be checked. That's why I've offered my sympathy and asked Expatkiwi to PM me the date and name so I can dedicate the donation. I find the fact that the only other "expatkiwi" on Cyprus forums - who also supported Turkey and was a brazen liar - is a hell of a coincidence.

To save him the pain of going through it, surely the Hospital if contacted will confirm if such a patient existed? it is not an everyday occurence. Or will you then ask to see if it was his child? And perhaps ask for a birth certificate?
What is happening on this forum? What ever it i it is bloody catching.

[Oracle]

Expatkiwi,

Forgive me for casting doubt over your integrity over whether your alleged meeting with these "Turkish tourists" ever took place. Trouble is, there are not that many expat Kiwis frequenting these forums. And just the other day one of them with a similar writing style to your own posted this on Cyprus44:

Speaking of 'thuggishness', I well remember the demonstration at which the attempted hauling down of the Turkish flag incident occurred - it was GC bikers, who rode up to Nicosia from all over RoC, plus the students.

My Canadian (UNFYCYP) friend was on duty that day - apart from being verbally abused, spat at and physically threatened, he had sand flung in his face several times. He told me that one young GC wouldn't cease being confrontational, so he had no alternative but to clout him across the ear with the handset of his field telephone.

The member on that forum who challenged (you) about the truthfulness of that post - on two glaringly obvious points - was immediately banned from posting for 11 years. Here we enjoy freedom of expression. So maybe you have something to say?

Well, I can say that I was not the person who published the article you alluded to. BTW Those Turkish tourists I spoke to were in Little Rock, Arkansas, the same time I was waiting for my son to die at Arkansas Childrens Hospital (he was critically injured in a vehicle accident and finally passed away after being in a coma for 36 days. Get Real sent me condolences on my son's passing). Anyway, I had bumped into them at a masll in North Little Rock while shopping for some items to take to my wife back at the hospital (standing vigil over my son's hospital bed). I don't know if those tourists' attitude is typical of Turks in general, or a minority viewpoint. But I can tell you that I was shocked that they regarded my support of the TRNC being a totally independent state was naive.

I'm very sorry to hear that and it's very unfortunate there was some confusion, what with two people - each from New Zealand - on the Cyprus44 forum purporting to be different people yet frequently posting at the same time and with a near-identical writing style. One/both of these people was/were exposed to be telling lies. And both, like you (also a New Zealander), wrote like you and also supported the Turkish position in Cyprus.

If you could give me your son's name and the date he died I'd like to make a donation to Arkansas Children's Hospital. If you'd rather keep that more private, feel free to drop me a PM.

I appreciate the gesture, but it's not necessary. Thank you all the same for your condolences.

No, please I insist. It's unthinkable that someone would, among other fabrications, invent a tragedy involving a child in order to garner sympathy. Just PM me the details and I'll get on to Arkansas Childrens Hospital.

You are being rather disingenuous. If you wish to donate you have enough info there to be able to ring up the hospital and check that those facts are correct and that should be sufficient, If this story is true, you are being extremely callous if I may says so.

Unfortunately I don't have enough information and the facts can't be checked. That's why I've offered my sympathy and asked Expatkiwi to PM me the date and name so I can dedicate the donation. I find the fact that the only other "expatkiwi" on Cyprus forums - who also supported Turkey and was a brazen liar - is a hell of a coincidence.

To save him the pain of going through it, surely the Hospital if contacted will confirm if such a patient existed? it is not an everyday occurence. Or will you then ask to see if it was his child? And perhaps ask for a birth certificate?
What is happening on this forum? What ever it i it is bloody catching.

What about Data Protection? (means little to you! ) .... Hospitals, especially, don't give any information out except to close relatives.

[Expatkiwi]

Expatkiwi,

Forgive me for casting doubt over your integrity over whether your alleged meeting with these "Turkish tourists" ever took place. Trouble is, there are not that many expat Kiwis frequenting these forums. And just the other day one of them with a similar writing style to your own posted this on Cyprus44:

Speaking of 'thuggishness', I well remember the demonstration at which the attempted hauling down of the Turkish flag incident occurred - it was GC bikers, who rode up to Nicosia from all over RoC, plus the students.

My Canadian (UNFYCYP) friend was on duty that day - apart from being verbally abused, spat at and physically threatened, he had sand flung in his face several times. He told me that one young GC wouldn't cease being confrontational, so he had no alternative but to clout him across the ear with the handset of his field telephone.

The member on that forum who challenged (you) about the truthfulness of that post - on two glaringly obvious points - was immediately banned from posting for 11 years. Here we enjoy freedom of expression. So maybe you have something to say?

Well, I can say that I was not the person who published the article you alluded to. BTW Those Turkish tourists I spoke to were in Little Rock, Arkansas, the same time I was waiting for my son to die at Arkansas Childrens Hospital (he was critically injured in a vehicle accident and finally passed away after being in a coma for 36 days. Get Real sent me condolences on my son's passing). Anyway, I had bumped into them at a masll in North Little Rock while shopping for some items to take to my wife back at the hospital (standing vigil over my son's hospital bed). I don't know if those tourists' attitude is typical of Turks in general, or a minority viewpoint. But I can tell you that I was shocked that they regarded my support of the TRNC being a totally independent state was naive.

I'm very sorry to hear that and it's very unfortunate there was some confusion, what with two people - each from New Zealand - on the Cyprus44 forum purporting to be different people yet frequently posting at the same time and with a near-identical writing style. One/both of these people was/were exposed to be telling lies. And both, like you (also a New Zealander), wrote like you and also supported the Turkish position in Cyprus.

If you could give me your son's name and the date he died I'd like to make a donation to Arkansas Children's Hospital. If you'd rather keep that more private, feel free to drop me a PM.

I appreciate the gesture, but it's not necessary. Thank you all the same for your condolences.

No, please I insist. It's unthinkable that someone would, among other fabrications, invent a tragedy involving a child in order to garner sympathy. Just PM me the details and I'll get on to Arkansas Childrens Hospital.

You are being rather disingenuous. If you wish to donate you have enough info there to be able to ring up the hospital and check that those facts are correct and that should be sufficient, If this story is true, you are being extremely callous if I may says so.

Unfortunately I don't have enough information and the facts can't be checked. That's why I've offered my sympathy and asked Expatkiwi to PM me the date and name so I can dedicate the donation. I find the fact that the only other "expatkiwi" on Cyprus forums - who also supported Turkey and was a brazen liar - is a hell of a coincidence.

To save him the pain of going through it, surely the Hospital if contacted will confirm if such a patient existed? it is not an everyday occurence. Or will you then ask to see if it was his child? And perhaps ask for a birth certificate?
What is happening on this forum? What ever it i it is bloody catching.

Eric, My son Jared passed away on June 10, 2009. My wife maintained a log online about the accident, hospitalization, and death. It's at http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/jaredthomas.
BTW, my user name had been used by other people on other sites trying to discredit me. Wikimapia is a good example of that.

[YFred]

Expatkiwi,

Forgive me for casting doubt over your integrity over whether your alleged meeting with these "Turkish tourists" ever took place. Trouble is, there are not that many expat Kiwis frequenting these forums. And just the other day one of them with a similar writing style to your own posted this on Cyprus44:

Speaking of 'thuggishness', I well remember the demonstration at which the attempted hauling down of the Turkish flag incident occurred - it was GC bikers, who rode up to Nicosia from all over RoC, plus the students.

My Canadian (UNFYCYP) friend was on duty that day - apart from being verbally abused, spat at and physically threatened, he had sand flung in his face several times. He told me that one young GC wouldn't cease being confrontational, so he had no alternative but to clout him across the ear with the handset of his field telephone.

The member on that forum who challenged (you) about the truthfulness of that post - on two glaringly obvious points - was immediately banned from posting for 11 years. Here we enjoy freedom of expression. So maybe you have something to say?

Well, I can say that I was not the person who published the article you alluded to. BTW Those Turkish tourists I spoke to were in Little Rock, Arkansas, the same time I was waiting for my son to die at Arkansas Childrens Hospital (he was critically injured in a vehicle accident and finally passed away after being in a coma for 36 days. Get Real sent me condolences on my son's passing). Anyway, I had bumped into them at a masll in North Little Rock while shopping for some items to take to my wife back at the hospital (standing vigil over my son's hospital bed). I don't know if those tourists' attitude is typical of Turks in general, or a minority viewpoint. But I can tell you that I was shocked that they regarded my support of the TRNC being a totally independent state was naive.

I'm very sorry to hear that and it's very unfortunate there was some confusion, what with two people - each from New Zealand - on the Cyprus44 forum purporting to be different people yet frequently posting at the same time and with a near-identical writing style. One/both of these people was/were exposed to be telling lies. And both, like you (also a New Zealander), wrote like you and also supported the Turkish position in Cyprus.

If you could give me your son's name and the date he died I'd like to make a donation to Arkansas Children's Hospital. If you'd rather keep that more private, feel free to drop me a PM.

I appreciate the gesture, but it's not necessary. Thank you all the same for your condolences.

No, please I insist. It's unthinkable that someone would, among other fabrications, invent a tragedy involving a child in order to garner sympathy. Just PM me the details and I'll get on to Arkansas Childrens Hospital.

You are being rather disingenuous. If you wish to donate you have enough info there to be able to ring up the hospital and check that those facts are correct and that should be sufficient, If this story is true, you are being extremely callous if I may says so.

Unfortunately I don't have enough information and the facts can't be checked. That's why I've offered my sympathy and asked Expatkiwi to PM me the date and name so I can dedicate the donation. I find the fact that the only other "expatkiwi" on Cyprus forums - who also supported Turkey and was a brazen liar - is a hell of a coincidence.

To save him the pain of going through it, surely the Hospital if contacted will confirm if such a patient existed? it is not an everyday occurence. Or will you then ask to see if it was his child? And perhaps ask for a birth certificate?
What is happening on this forum? What ever it i it is bloody catching.

What about Data Protection? (means little to you! ) .... Hospitals, especially, don't give any information out except to close relatives.

Don't be stupid, he is not after info within data protection, general information is available under FIA. If he can't do that I would say you are just as chalenged on the intelect department old girl. In any case infact if such a thing happened it would be in the news surely?

[Expatkiwi]

YFred, I posted a url showing all the horrible details of the accident and aftermath.

[Oracle]

YFred, I posted a url showing all the horrible details of the accident and aftermath.

I'm sorry to hear your son's life was cut short. Very sad.

I hope your wife is coping as well as you appear to be ...