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[insan]

We need to look at the essentials of the problem. It is said that behind the establishment of a Greek ethnos and a country called Greece; there were super powers.

I also do not agree with the idea that the entire refugee population that was settled in Macedonia from Turkey was "ethnic Greek" or "Greek speaking" as Greek authorities would like to portray it. In any case, assuming that the total population of settlers from Turkey (89%-43%) was 46% and that from Greece was 3% then by 1932 there were 49% newcomers and 51% indigenous people living in Greek occupied Macedonia.

I call the settlers "newcomers" because there is no proof that they were in any way "Greek". Yes, the Turkish refugees were Christians but that does not mean that they were actually "ethnic Greeks".

"If Greece exists today as a homogeneous ethnos, she owes this to [the Asia Minor Catastrophe]. If the hundreds of thousands of refugees had not come to Greece, Greek Macedonia would not exist today. The refugees created the national homogeneity of our country. (Antonios Kandiotis, Metrpolite of Florina, Page 141, Anastasia Karakasidou, Fields of Wheat, Hills of Blood)

http://www.maknews.com/html/articles/st ... fov99.html

Who is to be blame or who is to be thankful by whom is not very clear.

[alexISS]

How is the above "looking at the essentials"?

Greece was the creation of super powers? then Turkey was the creation of Russia and France without whom they would've lost the war

Greece owes her homogeneity to the population exchanges? then so does Turkey

Greece accidentally "imported" some Christian Turks? then Turkey accidentally "imported" some muslim Greeks

and so on and so forth

[insan]

How is the above "looking at the essentials"?

Greece was the creation of super powers? then Turkey was the creation of Russia and France without whom they would've lost the war

Greece owes her homogeneity to the population exchanges? then so does Turkey

Greece accidentally "imported" some Christian Turks? then Turkey accidentally "imported" some muslim Greeks

and so on and so forth

By looking it at this view point, u see that problem was "easily" solved in age of nationalism and establishment of nation states; under then the circumstances. In it's essentials, it's not something we can accuse each other with barbarism etc...

The issue, in it's essentials should be considered as "dissolution of the empires; difficulties and inevitables of the establishment of nation states." IMHO.

[Expatkiwi]

I think that the cultural superiority bias of Ethnic Greeks shows itself unpleasently well in this forum. The Greek word 'barbarian' referring to any non-Greek speaker is in itself showing a xenophobic trait. True, Greek history is rich and Greece today has a lot to be proud of in its hostory (architecture, the sciences, etc), but when such pride is subverted and twisted into a Hellenic sense of racial superiority over its neighbors (disguised as morality) - particularly to the east.... And postings from certain persons on this forum bear this hypothesis very well.

[alexISS]

By looking it at this view point, u see that problem was "easily" solved in age of nationalism and establishment of nation states; under then the circumstances. In it's essentials, it's not something we can accuse each other with barbarism etc...

You should tell this to zan, it was he who brought up the population exchange issue.
I was talking about the 55 pogrom, which happened during peace time and had nothing to do with the forming of the Turkish Republic

[alexISS]

I think that the cultural superiority bias of Ethnic Greeks shows itself unpleasently well in this forum. The Greek word 'barbarian' referring to any non-Greek speaker is in itself showing a xenophobic trait. True, Greek history is rich and Greece today has a lot to be proud of in its hostory (architecture, the sciences, etc), but when such pride is subverted and twisted into a Hellenic sense of racial superiority over its neighbors (disguised as morality) - particularly to the east.... And postings from certain persons on this forum bear this hypothesis very well.

I don't know if you are referring to any of my posts (since I was the last Greek to post in this thread) but, if you do, you should reread what I've written because in no way am I insinuating that Greeks are in any way "superior" to their neighbors. Could it be that you're inclined to "discover" xenophobic traits in Greeks no matter what they say, because you've accepted a stereotype that our neighbors -particularly to the east- are very fond of?
If it's not me you were talking about, I apologize in advance

[YFred]

I think that the cultural superiority bias of Ethnic Greeks shows itself unpleasently well in this forum. The Greek word 'barbarian' referring to any non-Greek speaker is in itself showing a xenophobic trait. True, Greek history is rich and Greece today has a lot to be proud of in its hostory (architecture, the sciences, etc), but when such pride is subverted and twisted into a Hellenic sense of racial superiority over its neighbors (disguised as morality) - particularly to the east.... And postings from certain persons on this forum bear this hypothesis very well.

You don't mean the demented woman; the lunatic who took over the asylum?

[Expatkiwi]

Yfred, I certainly did mean those certain women who seem to revel in their ethnic-hating hobby in this forum.

[YFred]

Yfred, I certainly did mean those certain women who seem to revel in their ethnic-hating hobby in this forum.

There where they belong, at the shallow end of the gene pool as far as intelligence is concerned.

[Expatkiwi]

Yfred, I certainly did mean those certain women who seem to revel in their ethnic-hating hobby in this forum.

There where they belong, at the shallow end of the gene pool as far as intelligence is concerned.

Then there's a good chance that they are blonde then...