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Postby Simon » Sat Sep 12, 2009 4:39 pm

The Cypriot wrote:More nonsense from the Financial Turkeys...

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1854ac6e-9da0 ... abdc0.html

Advice for the EU if Cyprus talks fail

By Tony Barber

Published: September 10 2009 03:00 | Last updated: September 10 2009 03:00

Brussels blog (Tony Barber): Like it or not, the European Union faces the distinct possibility that the latest UN-mediated effort at producing a comprehensive settlement of the Cyprus dispute will fail. From an EU perspective, would that be a disaster? Or just a bit depressing and annoying? Disaster is a strong word, but the consequences of failure would unquestionably be serious.

Talks between Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots have been going on for the past 12 months, and the next round is due today - having been postponed for a week, because of a row over some Greek Cypriot pilgrims who were trying to visit a church in Turkish Cypriot territory.

Nothing much has changed in the Cyprus dispute since 1974, when Turkish forces occupied the north of the island in response to a Greek-inspired coup aimed at enosis, or the union of Cyprus with Greece. Turkish troops and settlers are still there in the north, but the Greek Cypriots control the internationally recognised government of the island. What is more, they secured entry into the EU in 2004. As a result, their 26 EU partners are virtually compelled to support them in anything related to the Cyprus dispute, even if some EU governments privately fume at Greek Cypriot behaviour.


Conveniently private, so Barber doesn't have to provide any evidence of this scurilous claim.

Greek Cypriot public opinion seems to take the view that it would not matter much if the talks were to break down.


Barber "seems" not to know what he's talking about. Barber "seems" to be a poor excuse for a journalist.

When the most recent UN-brokered deal was put to the two communities in referendums in 2004, the Turkish Cypriots approved it by 65 to 35 per cent, but the Greek Cypriots rejected it by a crushing 76 to 24 per cent.


Why do you think that it was rejected, Barber? Why do you think it was crushing? Because free Cypriots don't want their island reunified? What if they crushingly reject this article? Why would they do that? What are you going to do about it?

The Greek Cypriots should stop being complacent,


While FT journalists should carry on talking out of their hat. Stuff you, Barber, stuff your rag, and stuff your complacency.

however, and read the excellent report published this week by the Independent Commission on Turkey, a panel chaired by Martti Ahtisaari, Finland's 2008 Nobel peace prize winner. The report describes the current peace talks as probably "the last chance for a federal settlement". Put another way, if the talks collapse, the Greek Cypriots will be looking at a future in which Turkey's armed forces maintain a presence on the island for the indefinite future. Is that what they really want?


Is that a threat, Barber? Free Cypriots don't take kindly to threats. Stuff you, stuff the FT, and stuff your threats.

A second unwelcome consequence would be that co-operation between the EU and Nato, so important for transatlantic relations, would continue to be blocked by differences between Cyprus and Turkey.


Oh dear, how sad, never mind. Why should Cyprus give a stuff about Nato? Where was Nato when Cyprus was invaded?

Lastly, the collapse of the Cyprus negotiations could torpedo Turkey's bid to join the EU.

Oh dear, how sad, never mind. And don't tell us, Barber, the sky will fall down, and the sun will explode and the universe will end. All because of those naughty, naughty free Cypriots. Doncha' just love upsetting the FT?

Here it is important that certain EU member states, above all France and Germany, which are sceptical about Turkish entry into the bloc, show responsibility. It would be all too easy to use the collapse of the talks as an excuse to punish Turkey and bury its membership aspirations forever. But that would be unwise. Holding out the prospect of membership is one of the most important levers the EU possesses to steer Turkish domestic reforms in a positive direction.


But free Cypriots must compromise on their rights and freedoms to enable this to happen? Stuff you Barber. And stuff your rag.


If the worst happens, and the Cyprus talks break down, the EU must still keep alive Turkey's EU accession process.


Thanks for the advice, Barber. We'll decide, when the time comes, what is in Cyprus's best interests - and then let the EU know whether we want to veto or not.



Isn’t the answer for Turkey clear. Leave.

Isn’t the answer for the EU clear? Pressurise it to leave.

Isn’t the answer for NATO/UK/US clear? Don’t dare recognise the north and risk the ‘sovereign’ bases on Cyprus. For you can never quite rely on an unstable Turkey. The geopolitical boot is on the other foot.

Isn’t the answer for the UN clear? The Annan plan entrenched ethnic cleansing, apartheid and foreign military intervention. It could never be acceptable to free, European-minded Cypriots (then about to join the EU and now firmly part of it).

Isn’t the answer for everyone clear? Plucky Cyprus does not yield to threats and at last, justly, has the power. There’s no alternative but to give it what it wants. And what it wants is a unified homeland with European rights and freedoms for all Cypriots.

Isn’t the answer for the FT clear? Mr Barber, get your hair cut. For you clearly cannot see what’s staring you in the face.


I think that all Greek Cypriots should take it upon themselves to write to the FT and tell them what a bunch of ignoramuses they all are!

Boycott the FT!
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Postby The Cypriot » Sat Sep 12, 2009 5:50 pm

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Postby Viewpoint » Sat Sep 12, 2009 6:12 pm

Looks like the FT has hit a nerve with the GCs...they hate a another viewpoint to their own another failure in finding a solution and you will read a lot more of these articles.
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Postby halil » Sat Sep 12, 2009 6:21 pm

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insan wrote:Just another "free Cypriot" and hunreds of thousands "free Cypriots" behind him... What a coincidence that all his supporters r Greek speaking "free Cypriots"...



When was this film shot? Cypriots weren't properly free until 2004.


Even today they are not free .... I was with group of GC's friends again today they don't say that they are free like u claim . They scare to talk even they scares if they are names comes on the GC press . They can not regret what they made to TC's but have a look at the TC's he said how they are speaking about the past freely have a look at the media he says. we hear everyday new things but nothing comes from our side because we scare . No one can speak freely what happened in 1963 or 15 july uptp 20 jult 1974 . It is not easy to talk such a things .......

and Cypriot tells now he is free ............. what a :lol:
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Postby Dr J » Sat Sep 12, 2009 7:18 pm

Told you. Post this on Facebook. The FT fan page is quite active with a lot of input.
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Postby The Cypriot » Sat Sep 12, 2009 9:11 pm

halil wrote:Even today they are not free .... I was with group of GC's friends again today they don't say that they are free like u claim . They scare to talk even they scares if they are names comes on the GC press . They can not regret what they made to TC's but have a look at the TC's he said how they are speaking about the past freely have a look at the media he says. we hear everyday new things but nothing comes from our side because we scare . No one can speak freely what happened in 1963 or 15 july uptp 20 jult 1974 . It is not easy to talk such a things .......

and Cypriot tells now he is free ............. what a :lol:


I am free of foreign military control. And I am free to help give the FT a good kick in...
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Postby The Cypriot » Sat Sep 12, 2009 9:18 pm

Viewpoint wrote:Looks like the FT has hit a nerve with the GCs...


No kidding. What's your name? Turkule Poroit?

Viewpoint wrote:.they hate a another viewpoint to their own another failure in finding a solution and you will read a lot more of these articles.


And all will be slapped down.
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Postby Viewpoint » Sat Sep 12, 2009 11:24 pm

The Cypriot wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Looks like the FT has hit a nerve with the GCs...


No kidding. What's your name? Turkule Poroit?

Viewpoint wrote:.they hate a another viewpoint to their own another failure in finding a solution and you will read a lot more of these articles.


And all will be slapped down.


Dont work that way..but you cna always try and see how far you get no need to remind you of 1974 im sure.
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Postby halil » Sat Sep 12, 2009 11:30 pm

The Cypriot wrote:
halil wrote:Even today they are not free .... I was with group of GC's friends again today they don't say that they are free like u claim . They scare to talk even they scares if they are names comes on the GC press . They can not regret what they made to TC's but have a look at the TC's he said how they are speaking about the past freely have a look at the media he says. we hear everyday new things but nothing comes from our side because we scare . No one can speak freely what happened in 1963 or 15 july uptp 20 jult 1974 . It is not easy to talk such a things .......

and Cypriot tells now he is free ............. what a :lol:


I am free of foreign military control. And I am free to help give the FT a good kick in...


that what is your imaginary Cypriot . From your words we can understand that u are not living in Cyprus .
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Postby The Cypriot » Sun Sep 13, 2009 12:34 am

halil wrote:
The Cypriot wrote:
halil wrote:Even today they are not free .... I was with group of GC's friends again today they don't say that they are free like u claim . They scare to talk even they scares if they are names comes on the GC press . They can not regret what they made to TC's but have a look at the TC's he said how they are speaking about the past freely have a look at the media he says. we hear everyday new things but nothing comes from our side because we scare . No one can speak freely what happened in 1963 or 15 july uptp 20 jult 1974 . It is not easy to talk such a things .......

and Cypriot tells now he is free ............. what a :lol:


I am free of foreign military control. And I am free to help give the FT a good kick in...


that what is your imaginary Cypriot . From your words we can understand that u are not living in Cyprus .


Yes I do. I live in the Cypriot Republic of Northern London which was declared Cypriot in 1983 and which I recognise. And what's more I enjoy direct flights from Luton (Luto) and Stanstead (Saste).
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