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[insan]

It is - or should be - the preoccupation of all Cypriots to extract Turkey from the island, using the EU or any other lawful mechanisms at our disposal.

That is precisely what I am talking about. When its concerning TCs and Turkey, intervention of outsiders is encouraged and when its regarding GCs its called outsiders interfering. Its double standards reh Gibreo. If the peace agreement is signed tomorrow, the TA would begin leaving the day after. I think there is a film title in that.

You could turn it around and say, if Turkey's army left tomorrow, there would be a proper peace agreement the day after.

And it's not double standards. Turkey's role in Cyprus is against international law. The EU's role isn't.

I need not remind you that Turkey did not do what it was meant to do in 1974 - according to the treaty of guarantee it signed. Instead, it threw out all the Christians, parked its army in the north and established new 'realities' at the expense of all Cypriots ever since.

Hmmm.. How simplified... What would have u done under the circumstances of 1974? A hostile environment, EOKA-B was still alive and kicking... It was still threatening newly installed president of GC administration, ex-President Makarios and Turkey with waging a guerilla warfare...

TC paramilitaries and even relatives of ordinary TCs who suffered/lost their loved ones by GC paramilitaries and pro-EOKA-B GCs were looking not to miss any opportunity to take revenge of the passed 10 years...

Now u tell me what would have u done under such circumstances... Please don't tell me u don't know and it was Turkey's duty granted by treaty of guarantee...

Turkey did the best possible under the then circumstances...

[The Cypriot]

UK Cypriots mobilise...

Dear Sir,

Unfortunately, your editorials have become all too predictable in relation to Cyprus ( “Engaging Turkey”, 8 September). The Cyprus problem has been reduced to a caricature in which the Greek Cypriots are invariably portrayed as the “ugly bunch”. The next step will be to depict Turkey as the ‘Dove of Peace’ in Cyprus and the re-writing of history will be complete.

Turkey’s role in Cyprus cannot so easily be airbrushed out of the picture though. For more than 35 years, Turkey has defied the will of the international community with impunity in relation to Cyprus. This country has continued to act in breach of numerous United Nations resolutions and the UN Charter and has, similarly, continued to disregard numerous judicial rulings by international courts.

The facts on the ground in Cyprus cannot be swept under the carpet so that Turkey’s European aspirations can advance: for more than 35 years, more than 40,000 Turkish troops have continued to occupy the northern part of the island, a country with a total population of less than a million people. During this period, Turkey has created, in the occupied area, an illegal regime which no one in the world other than Turkey recognises. What is more, the Turkish army has presided over a deliberate policy of colonisation in the area it occupies in order to change the demography of the island. Turkish nationals transferred from Asia Minor to settle land belonging to the legal inhabitants of the island now significantly outnumber indigenous Turkish Cypriots living in the occupied area. During the same period, Cypriot properties in the occupied north have been usurped and are exploited for economic gain, while the cultural and religious heritage of the island in those areas is being actively desecrated and destroyed. Additionally, to his day, Turkey refuses to investigate hundreds of cases of people who went missing during its military invasion, contrary to rulings of the European Court of Human Rights which Turkey blatantly disregards.

I am pragmatic enough to know that geostrategic and economic interests colour your judgment in this matter, but the truth is that the Cyprus problem could relatively easily be resolved on the basis of European and international law provided that Turkey changes its intransigent and anachronistic position. A reunited and democratic homeland without armies of occupation and lines of division, in which all Cypriots can live as free European citizens without the fear of foreign military intervention by an aggressive neighbour, is the only sensible way forward and the best incentive that can be offered to both communities on the island.

I have always been supportive of Turkey’s eventual membership of the European Union as have the governments of the UK, Greece and Cyprus but this cannot happen for as long as Turkey does not abide by its obligations to the Union. The reunfication of Cyprus and Turkey’s acceptance of a truly independent and reunited Cyprus are prerequisites to Turkish entry and would do more to faciltate this than any other single factor. The benefits which would flow from this scenario woud be huge for all interested parties and for the entire region.

Peter Droussiotis
Federation President
www.cypriotfederation.org.uk

[insan]

UK Cypriots mobilise...

Dear Sir,

Unfortunately, your editorials have become all too predictable in relation to Cyprus ( “Engaging Turkey”, 8 September). The Cyprus problem has been reduced to a caricature in which the Greek Cypriots are invariably portrayed as the “ugly bunch”. The next step will be to depict Turkey as the ‘Dove of Peace’ in Cyprus and the re-writing of history will be complete.

Turkey’s role in Cyprus cannot so easily be airbrushed out of the picture though. For more than 35 years, Turkey has defied the will of the international community with impunity in relation to Cyprus. This country has continued to act in breach of numerous United Nations resolutions and the UN Charter and has, similarly, continued to disregard numerous judicial rulings by international courts.

The facts on the ground in Cyprus cannot be swept under the carpet so that Turkey’s European aspirations can advance: for more than 35 years, more than 40,000 Turkish troops have continued to occupy the northern part of the island, a country with a total population of less than a million people. During this period, Turkey has created, in the occupied area, an illegal regime which no one in the world other than Turkey recognises. What is more, the Turkish army has presided over a deliberate policy of colonisation in the area it occupies in order to change the demography of the island. Turkish nationals transferred from Asia Minor to settle land belonging to the legal inhabitants of the island now significantly outnumber indigenous Turkish Cypriots living in the occupied area. During the same period, Cypriot properties in the occupied north have been usurped and are exploited for economic gain, while the cultural and religious heritage of the island in those areas is being actively desecrated and destroyed. Additionally, to his day, Turkey refuses to investigate hundreds of cases of people who went missing during its military invasion, contrary to rulings of the European Court of Human Rights which Turkey blatantly disregards.

I am pragmatic enough to know that geostrategic and economic interests colour your judgment in this matter, but the truth is that the Cyprus problem could relatively easily be resolved on the basis of European and international law provided that Turkey changes its intransigent and anachronistic position. A reunited and democratic homeland without armies of occupation and lines of division, in which all Cypriots can live as free European citizens without the fear of foreign military intervention by an aggressive neighbour, is the only sensible way forward and the best incentive that can be offered to both communities on the island.

I have always been supportive of Turkey’s eventual membership of the European Union as have the governments of the UK, Greece and Cyprus but this cannot happen for as long as Turkey does not abide by its obligations to the Union. The reunfication of Cyprus and Turkey’s acceptance of a truly independent and reunited Cyprus are prerequisites to Turkish entry and would do more to faciltate this than any other single factor. The benefits which would flow from this scenario woud be huge for all interested parties and for the entire region.

Peter Droussiotis
Federation President
www.cypriotfederation.org.uk

Stop offering us minority status because we never accepted and we will never accept. Had Turkey withdrawn all her troops from North and a solution plan that envisages minority status for TCs put on referanda of 2 communities TCs would still reject it...

What would u do then? U would force TCs to accept minority status and return their pre-74 homes and lands?

Suppose all Turkish troops withdrawn but GC mentality regarding the political status of TCs and bi-zonality not changed; what would happen, The Cypriot.

A very short skirmish between TC armed forces and GC armed forces? U would kill all TC "terrorists" and liberate your lands in the North? Tell me abt the probable scenories..

U base ur believes completely on wron assumptions, The Cypriot. U r under heavy influence of Greek/GC propaganda.

[The Cypriot]

Stop offering us minority status because we never accepted and we will never accept. Had Turkey withdrawn all her troops from North and a solution plan that envisages minority status for TCs put on referanda of 2 communities TCs would still reject it...

What would u do then? U would force TCs to accept minority status and return their pre-74 homes and lands?

Suppose all Turkish troops withdrawn but GC mentality regarding the political status of TCs and bi-zonality not changed; what would happen, The Cypriot.

A very short skirmish between TC armed forces and GC armed forces? U would kill all TC "terrorists" and liberate your lands in the North? Tell me abt the probable scenories..

U base ur believes completely on wron assumptions, The Cypriot. U r under heavy influence of Greek/GC propaganda.

insan, this is between free Cypriots and the UK's FT; no need to butt in if you've nothing constructive to contribute. I don't want to have any rehearsed arguments with you over GC/TC, minority/majority, bi-zonal/bi-shmonal. They've been done to death.

[insan]

Stop offering us minority status because we never accepted and we will never accept. Had Turkey withdrawn all her troops from North and a solution plan that envisages minority status for TCs put on referanda of 2 communities TCs would still reject it...

What would u do then? U would force TCs to accept minority status and return their pre-74 homes and lands?

Suppose all Turkish troops withdrawn but GC mentality regarding the political status of TCs and bi-zonality not changed; what would happen, The Cypriot.

A very short skirmish between TC armed forces and GC armed forces? U would kill all TC "terrorists" and liberate your lands in the North? Tell me abt the probable scenories..

U base ur believes completely on wron assumptions, The Cypriot. U r under heavy influence of Greek/GC propaganda.

insan, this is between free Cypriots and the UK's FT; no need to butt in if you've nothing constructive to contribute. I don't want to have any rehearsed arguments with you over GC/TC, minority/majority, bi-zonal/bi-shmonal. They've been done to death.

"Free Cypriots" ehh? Supposedly we r all Cypriots and u get on very well with British TCs but when it comes to a common struggle for our common interests, the "free Cypriots" all comprise of Greek speaking Cypriots.

http://www.cypriotfederation.org.uk/ind ... Itemid=128

Yeah, indeed very constructive. It is obvious that they work and act for their own national interests and has nothing to do with TC "minority".

Clap! Clap! Clap!

Go ahead!

[insan]

Just another "free Cypriot" and hunreds of thousands "free Cypriots" behind him... What a coincidence that all his supporters r Greek speaking "free Cypriots"...

[halil]

My dear friend Insan let the Cypriot to talk ..... he just talks what they thinks ..... below words are from UN news (after yesterday leaders meeting came out) let him to mastubrate .........

UN peacekeepers have been deployed since 1964 to prevent inter-communal fighting on the island. In May last year, Mr. Christofias and Mr. Talat committed themselves to working towards “a bicommunal, bizonal federation with political equality, as defined by relevant Security Council resolutions.”

The partnership would comprise a Federal Government with a single international personality, along with a Turkish Cypriot Constituent State and a Greek Cypriot Constituent State, which would be of equal status.

[insan]

My dear friend Insan let the Cypriot to talk ..... he just talks what they thinks ..... below words are from UN news (after yesterday leaders meeting came out) let him to mastubrate .........

UN peacekeepers have been deployed since 1964 to prevent inter-communal fighting on the island. In May last year, Mr. Christofias and Mr. Talat committed themselves to working towards “a bicommunal, bizonal federation with political equality, as defined by relevant Security Council resolutions.”

The partnership would comprise a Federal Government with a single international personality, along with a Turkish Cypriot Constituent State and a Greek Cypriot Constituent State, which would be of equal status.

The Cypriot strongly believes that the moblisation of "free Cypriots" would make a constructive effect on these talks and contribute it a lot positively.

Respect.

[The Cypriot]

Stop offering us minority status because we never accepted and we will never accept. Had Turkey withdrawn all her troops from North and a solution plan that envisages minority status for TCs put on referanda of 2 communities TCs would still reject it...

What would u do then? U would force TCs to accept minority status and return their pre-74 homes and lands?

Suppose all Turkish troops withdrawn but GC mentality regarding the political status of TCs and bi-zonality not changed; what would happen, The Cypriot.

A very short skirmish between TC armed forces and GC armed forces? U would kill all TC "terrorists" and liberate your lands in the North? Tell me abt the probable scenories..

U base ur believes completely on wron assumptions, The Cypriot. U r under heavy influence of Greek/GC propaganda.

insan, this is between free Cypriots and the UK's FT; no need to butt in if you've nothing constructive to contribute. I don't want to have any rehearsed arguments with you over GC/TC, minority/majority, bi-zonal/bi-shmonal. They've been done to death.

"Free Cypriots" ehh? Supposedly we r all Cypriots and u get on very well with British TCs but when it comes to a common struggle for our common interests, the "free Cypriots" all comprise of Greek speaking Cypriots.

http://www.cypriotfederation.org.uk/ind ... Itemid=128

Yeah, indeed very constructive. It is obvious that they work and act for their own national interests and has nothing to do with TC "minority".

Clap! Clap! Clap!

Go ahead!

I'm not a member of the Federation, am not responsible for how they work so don't expect me to be their apologist. If you have a problem with them why not drop them a line and express your concerns?

[The Cypriot]

Just another "free Cypriot" and hunreds of thousands "free Cypriots" behind him... What a coincidence that all his supporters r Greek speaking "free Cypriots"...

When was this film shot? Cypriots weren't properly free until 2004.