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Postby YFred » Fri Sep 11, 2009 2:13 pm

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Nikitas wrote:I do not know about genetics but ravelling in Magna Grecia (Greater Greece) in souther Ialy is a moving experience. They speak a dialect similar to Cypriot. I can understand it while most mainland Greeks seem to need and interpreter. In some places there are big signs in the village entrance saying KALOSIRTATE, and the older generation are eager to exercise their Greek. The best part is to sit silent next to older people in cafes and listen to them speak in Cypriot!

They have been there for thousands of years, so most likely they are the remnants of the orginal Greek cities of southern Italy, the same bunch who came to Cyprus.

Despite the evidence you mention, you cannot fathom that Cypriots have spread their culture to the point where you found the purely Cypriot word “KALOSIRTATE” on a sign in Italy, yet finish off by giving credit to “Greek cities”!!! :roll:

Such is the ignorance of half-baked “Cypriots”… :lol:

Is that the same word as Kalosoriste?
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Postby Get Real! » Fri Sep 11, 2009 2:18 pm

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Nikitas wrote:I do not know about genetics but ravelling in Magna Grecia (Greater Greece) in souther Ialy is a moving experience. They speak a dialect similar to Cypriot. I can understand it while most mainland Greeks seem to need and interpreter. In some places there are big signs in the village entrance saying KALOSIRTATE, and the older generation are eager to exercise their Greek. The best part is to sit silent next to older people in cafes and listen to them speak in Cypriot!

They have been there for thousands of years, so most likely they are the remnants of the orginal Greek cities of southern Italy, the same bunch who came to Cyprus.

Despite the evidence you mention, you cannot fathom that Cypriots have spread their culture to the point where you found the purely Cypriot word “KALOSIRTATE” on a sign in Italy, yet finish off by giving credit to “Greek cities”!!! :roll:

Such is the ignorance of half-baked “Cypriots”… :lol:

Is that the same word as Kalosoriste?

The Greek word is "Kalos-orisate" but the Cypriot is "Kalos-irtate"...

Kalos = well/good

Irtate = came/come
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Postby YFred » Fri Sep 11, 2009 2:39 pm

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Nikitas wrote:I do not know about genetics but ravelling in Magna Grecia (Greater Greece) in souther Ialy is a moving experience. They speak a dialect similar to Cypriot. I can understand it while most mainland Greeks seem to need and interpreter. In some places there are big signs in the village entrance saying KALOSIRTATE, and the older generation are eager to exercise their Greek. The best part is to sit silent next to older people in cafes and listen to them speak in Cypriot!

They have been there for thousands of years, so most likely they are the remnants of the orginal Greek cities of southern Italy, the same bunch who came to Cyprus.

Despite the evidence you mention, you cannot fathom that Cypriots have spread their culture to the point where you found the purely Cypriot word “KALOSIRTATE” on a sign in Italy, yet finish off by giving credit to “Greek cities”!!! :roll:

Such is the ignorance of half-baked “Cypriots”… :lol:

Is that the same word as Kalosoriste?

The Greek word is "Kalos-orisate" but the Cypriot is "Kalos-irtate"...

Kalos = well/good

Irtate = came/come

I clearly remember it as galosorite. Now, I am not saying you are wrong. Thats how we used in in L-by-Sea
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Postby Get Real! » Fri Sep 11, 2009 2:45 pm

YFred wrote:
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YFred wrote:Is that the same word as Kalosoriste?

The Greek word is "Kalos-orisate" but the Cypriot is "Kalos-irtate"...

Kalos = well/good

Irtate = came/come

I clearly remember it as galosorite. Now, I am not saying you are wrong. Thats how we used in in L-by-Sea

“Oriste?” means “excuse me?” or “Say what?”… which sounds similar to “orisate” which means “come from” or “originate from”.

The TCs learned Greek by hearing others talk so they do get some things wrong when they sound similar.
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Postby Oracle » Fri Sep 11, 2009 7:29 pm

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Nikitas wrote:I do not know about genetics but ravelling in Magna Grecia (Greater Greece) in souther Ialy is a moving experience. They speak a dialect similar to Cypriot. I can understand it while most mainland Greeks seem to need and interpreter. In some places there are big signs in the village entrance saying KALOSIRTATE, and the older generation are eager to exercise their Greek. The best part is to sit silent next to older people in cafes and listen to them speak in Cypriot!

They have been there for thousands of years, so most likely they are the remnants of the orginal Greek cities of southern Italy, the same bunch who came to Cyprus.

Despite the evidence you mention, you cannot fathom that Cypriots have spread their culture to the point where you found the purely Cypriot word “KALOSIRTATE” on a sign in Italy, yet finish off by giving credit to “Greek cities”!!! :roll:

Such is the ignorance of half-baked “Cypriots”… :lol:


Maybe Nikitas made that statement as the best possible fit from all the evidence ... which is that the Greeks who sailed far and wide settled in Magna Graecia as well as Cyprus. There is no evidence that Cypriots went en masse to this region to colonise it.

In other words, yours is wishful thinking whereas Nikitas' is sound inference!
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Postby Oracle » Fri Sep 11, 2009 7:37 pm

Paolo Orsi Museum Displays the Wealth of Magna Graecia


New York.- By Catherine Tsounis

“The glory Sicily had with the Greek colonies of two thousand five hundred years ago was the high point of Sicilian history,” said the museum display in the “Paolo Orsi” Museum in Syracuse, Sicily. “Modern Sicily is a shadow of the greatness it had under the Greeks.” This fact written by persons who were not Greek totally astonished me during the 2005 Arba Sicula (Sicilian dawn) Tour. It continued to mesmerize me during my return visit in the 2008 Arba Sicula tour.

The “Paolo Orsi” Regional Archaeological Museum of Syracuse, Sicily is one of the foremost institutions in Europe. It was built in the park of the Villa Landolina. It is dedicated to Paolo Orsi, an archaeologist and expert in Hellenic and pre-Hellenic civilizations. The building is nine thousand square meters of exhibition space on two floors. Eighteen thousand archaeological finds are displayed from the city of Syracuse and eastern regions of Sicily.
Section A contains the artifacts documenting prehistoric and protohistoric periods from XV-XIII century B.C. The Thapsos culture of Syracuse shows the influence of the Mycenaean world during the Bronze Age. Pottery from Mycenae, Peloponnese was present in the grave goods. This indicates trade relations with other Mediterranean centers such as Cyprus and Malta. Section A concludes with a display of the tomb contents from artificial grotto burials found in the Valle of the Marcelino, near Villasmundo. The Middle and late geometric Greek pottery included in those tombs documents the Greek contact with the Eastern Sicilian coast before the height of colonization.

Section B is dedicated to the Greek Colonies and Syracuse. Artifacts are from Naxos, Mylai, Zanite, Katane, Leontini, Megara Hyblaea and Syracuse. Exhibitions include furnishings from the Syracusan necropolis (cemetery). A vast collection of Corinthian, Ionic, Rhodian, Attic and Etruscan imported pottery are shown. Architectural terracotas from urban and extra urban sanctuaries of Syracuse are included. The temple findings of Apollo and the Athenaion are included. Findings from the Ciane sanctuary, Apollo Temenites temple, and the sanctuaries of Artemis, Scala Greca and Belvedere, the temple of Olympian Zeus are included. Terracotas manufactyured in Siceliot worshops in the fifth and 4th century B.C. are from Gela, Agrigento, Camarina and eastern island sites. Section C gives material evidence on the sub colonies of Syracuse, Hellenized centers and colonies of Gela and Agrigento.

The art forms are mesmerizing. The limestone “Kourotrophos”, a headless goddess feeding two twins, is from Megara Hyblaea¢s northern necropolis. A small bronze statue of an athlete making an offering is attributed to Pythagoras of Rhegium (460 B.C.). The large, intact vases are simply amazing. Venus Anadyomene (rising from the sea) dates back to the second century A.D. It is know as “Venus Landolina”, discovered in a Syracuse nymphaeum (a sanctuary, reservoir or assembly room). It is a copy of a Rhodian original.

Another unique treasure is the marble funeral statue of doctor Sambrotidas, son of Mandrokles, 550 B.C. from the necropolis of Megara Hyblaea. The numerous figurines dedicated to Demeter, the Greek goddess of the seasons and crops, are incredible. The finest antiquities of Ancient Greece are located outside of Modern Greece in Sicily, Italy and Turkey. The tragedy of the Modern Greek nation is that their magnificent civilization reached its peak outside its present day borders. For one to see the flourishing of the “Greek Miracle” one must visit Italy, Sicily and in particular the coast of Asia Minor.

Who were the Greeks of Sicily? They came primarily from mainland Greece, the Aegean islands and the coast of Asia Minor, Turkey. Greek colonization began in the 8th and 6th centuries B.C. They formed new cities with the language, religious cultural traditions, myths and institutions from the original polis. Magna Graecia (Southern Italy) and Sicily were the greatest Greek settlements in Western Europe. Naxos (the Gardens of Naxos) was the first Greek colony founded in 735 B.C. by colonists from Euboea. In 730 B.C., Kalchedian colonists founded Zankle (Messina). Syracuse was founded by the Corinthians in 733 B.C. The Megareans founded Megara Hyblaea in the Gulf of Augusta. Gela was founded by Cretans and Rhodians in 688 B.C. This was the first wave of colonization.

The second wave of immigration involved cities establishing their own colonies. Syracuse founded Acre in 650 B.C. Syracusans founded Himera. Megara Hyblaea formed Selinunte in the 7th century. By the end of the 7th century, Syracuse founded Kamarina and Agrigento. “The Greeks were colonizers. They created all their economic power through work and sacrifice,” said Salvatore Furnari in his book, Myths, Legends and Customs in Greek and Roman Sicily. “We must say that the Greeks, among ancient peoples, were those that used slaves the least. They respected and never brutalized them. Even though they were excellent warriors, the Greeks were peaceful people who preferred colonizing to occupying. For them, war was their last remedy.”

Furnari continues saying that “the south of Italy and Sicily were a “gift from the gods” to the Greeks.” This unique wealth of antiquities is best seen at the “Paolo Orsi” Regional Archaeological Museum of Syracuse, Sicily.
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Postby Simon » Fri Sep 11, 2009 8:29 pm

Oracle wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Nikitas wrote:I do not know about genetics but ravelling in Magna Grecia (Greater Greece) in souther Ialy is a moving experience. They speak a dialect similar to Cypriot. I can understand it while most mainland Greeks seem to need and interpreter. In some places there are big signs in the village entrance saying KALOSIRTATE, and the older generation are eager to exercise their Greek. The best part is to sit silent next to older people in cafes and listen to them speak in Cypriot!

They have been there for thousands of years, so most likely they are the remnants of the orginal Greek cities of southern Italy, the same bunch who came to Cyprus.

Despite the evidence you mention, you cannot fathom that Cypriots have spread their culture to the point where you found the purely Cypriot word “KALOSIRTATE” on a sign in Italy, yet finish off by giving credit to “Greek cities”!!! :roll:

Such is the ignorance of half-baked “Cypriots”… :lol:


Maybe Nikitas made that statement as the best possible fit from all the evidence ... which is that the Greeks who sailed far and wide settled in Magna Graecia as well as Cyprus. There is no evidence that Cypriots went en masse to this region to colonise it.

In other words, yours is wishful thinking whereas Nikitas' is sound inference!


It is not even Nikitas that implies it. The fact that Magna Graecia was colonised by the Greek city-states is regarded by historians as accurate.
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Postby insan » Fri Sep 11, 2009 8:32 pm

Oracle wrote:Paolo Orsi Museum Displays the Wealth of Magna Graecia


New York.- By Catherine Tsounis

“The glory Sicily had with the Greek colonies of two thousand five hundred years ago was the high point of Sicilian history,” said the museum display in the “Paolo Orsi” Museum in Syracuse, Sicily. “Modern Sicily is a shadow of the greatness it had under the Greeks.” This fact written by persons who were not Greek totally astonished me during the 2005 Arba Sicula (Sicilian dawn) Tour. It continued to mesmerize me during my return visit in the 2008 Arba Sicula tour.

The “Paolo Orsi” Regional Archaeological Museum of Syracuse, Sicily is one of the foremost institutions in Europe. It was built in the park of the Villa Landolina. It is dedicated to Paolo Orsi, an archaeologist and expert in Hellenic and pre-Hellenic civilizations. The building is nine thousand square meters of exhibition space on two floors. Eighteen thousand archaeological finds are displayed from the city of Syracuse and eastern regions of Sicily.
Section A contains the artifacts documenting prehistoric and protohistoric periods from XV-XIII century B.C. The Thapsos culture of Syracuse shows the influence of the Mycenaean world during the Bronze Age. Pottery from Mycenae, Peloponnese was present in the grave goods. This indicates trade relations with other Mediterranean centers such as Cyprus and Malta. Section A concludes with a display of the tomb contents from artificial grotto burials found in the Valle of the Marcelino, near Villasmundo. The Middle and late geometric Greek pottery included in those tombs documents the Greek contact with the Eastern Sicilian coast before the height of colonization.

Section B is dedicated to the Greek Colonies and Syracuse. Artifacts are from Naxos, Mylai, Zanite, Katane, Leontini, Megara Hyblaea and Syracuse. Exhibitions include furnishings from the Syracusan necropolis (cemetery). A vast collection of Corinthian, Ionic, Rhodian, Attic and Etruscan imported pottery are shown. Architectural terracotas from urban and extra urban sanctuaries of Syracuse are included. The temple findings of Apollo and the Athenaion are included. Findings from the Ciane sanctuary, Apollo Temenites temple, and the sanctuaries of Artemis, Scala Greca and Belvedere, the temple of Olympian Zeus are included. Terracotas manufactyured in Siceliot worshops in the fifth and 4th century B.C. are from Gela, Agrigento, Camarina and eastern island sites. Section C gives material evidence on the sub colonies of Syracuse, Hellenized centers and colonies of Gela and Agrigento.

The art forms are mesmerizing. The limestone “Kourotrophos”, a headless goddess feeding two twins, is from Megara Hyblaea¢s northern necropolis. A small bronze statue of an athlete making an offering is attributed to Pythagoras of Rhegium (460 B.C.). The large, intact vases are simply amazing. Venus Anadyomene (rising from the sea) dates back to the second century A.D. It is know as “Venus Landolina”, discovered in a Syracuse nymphaeum (a sanctuary, reservoir or assembly room). It is a copy of a Rhodian original.

Another unique treasure is the marble funeral statue of doctor Sambrotidas, son of Mandrokles, 550 B.C. from the necropolis of Megara Hyblaea. The numerous figurines dedicated to Demeter, the Greek goddess of the seasons and crops, are incredible. The finest antiquities of Ancient Greece are located outside of Modern Greece in Sicily, Italy and Turkey. The tragedy of the Modern Greek nation is that their magnificent civilization reached its peak outside its present day borders. For one to see the flourishing of the “Greek Miracle” one must visit Italy, Sicily and in particular the coast of Asia Minor.

Who were the Greeks of Sicily? They came primarily from mainland Greece, the Aegean islands and the coast of Asia Minor, Turkey. Greek colonization began in the 8th and 6th centuries B.C. They formed new cities with the language, religious cultural traditions, myths and institutions from the original polis. Magna Graecia (Southern Italy) and Sicily were the greatest Greek settlements in Western Europe. Naxos (the Gardens of Naxos) was the first Greek colony founded in 735 B.C. by colonists from Euboea. In 730 B.C., Kalchedian colonists founded Zankle (Messina). Syracuse was founded by the Corinthians in 733 B.C. The Megareans founded Megara Hyblaea in the Gulf of Augusta. Gela was founded by Cretans and Rhodians in 688 B.C. This was the first wave of colonization.

The second wave of immigration involved cities establishing their own colonies. Syracuse founded Acre in 650 B.C. Syracusans founded Himera. Megara Hyblaea formed Selinunte in the 7th century. By the end of the 7th century, Syracuse founded Kamarina and Agrigento. “The Greeks were colonizers. They created all their economic power through work and sacrifice,” said Salvatore Furnari in his book, Myths, Legends and Customs in Greek and Roman Sicily. “We must say that the Greeks, among ancient peoples, were those that used slaves the least. They respected and never brutalized them. Even though they were excellent warriors, the Greeks were peaceful people who preferred colonizing to occupying. For them, war was their last remedy.”

Furnari continues saying that “the south of Italy and Sicily were a “gift from the gods” to the Greeks.” This unique wealth of antiquities is best seen at the “Paolo Orsi” Regional Archaeological Museum of Syracuse, Sicily.


The fact is that they were ancient Greeks and has nothing to do with the inhabitants of Republic of Greece...
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Postby Christine Toskos » Fri Sep 11, 2009 9:59 pm

Isan are you a Turk? If so why are you writing on a Greek website? Cyprus is a Greek island and this is a voice for Greek speaking people. So please answer in the correct languages of Cyprus: Greek or English.
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Postby Oracle » Fri Sep 11, 2009 10:04 pm

insan wrote:The fact is that they were ancient Greeks and has nothing to do with the inhabitants of Republic of Greece...


Allow us to determine our own connections insan.

You are but a lowly Turk intent on annihilating Hellenism!

Your word is ANATHEMA! :D
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