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[denizaksulu]

This is an interesting article by journalist Alkan Chaglar on African slavery in Cyprus, shedding some light on the island's dark past...

http://www.toplumpostasi.net/printa.php?col=85&art=1113

According to 18th century travel writer Richard Pococke who visited the island on October 24, 1738, black slaves were commonly transferred over from Egypt and sold to the Ottoman Turks in Cyprus...

...in Cyprus Africans despite being small in number rose to prominent positions ... and assimilated into the Turkish Cypriot community, creating a sizeable mixed race population today...

Cyprus’ history of slavery may be taboo for some, it certainly cannot be justified morally but it is nonetheless an important ingredient in the Turkish Cypriot heritage...

Colour conscious Cypriots whose eyes are gazed firmly towards Europe should note that Cyprus is closer to Africa than either Genoa or Venice.

My cousins in Kophinou had indeed been 'suckled' by a 'süt nine'. Hasanagi or Yfred may know the family. We all called her 'Kara nene', which translates as 'black grandmother'. It was in no way considered as being a derogatory term. Kara nene was highly respected. We were not allowed to speak to her unless we had paid our due respects by the traditional way of kissing the hand and placing it on our forehead. She was well respected by the whole village. I last saw her as a refugee after 1974 in Trikomo. Though blind by then she remembered my voice. When she died a few years later, it was said that she was 110 years old. RIP Gara nene.

Sorry I didn't know here but may she rest in peace.
We had several black people in the village who were very dark and one actually looked African. Our head teacher was also black. There was no animosity at all towards them. It's only when I came to London that I saw racism within the Cypriots community.

My step grandma looked like an African and her husband was a blue eyed, blonde Luricadi Hüseyin Dede; aka Hüseyin Gangrello. Maybe someone from YFred Clan knows him. Both RIP several years ago.

I did know an Iseyin dede. He was my grand dad. Also known as Muhtar dede.

His lakap was 'white' (Aspru)

[yialousa1971]

They are called Afro Turks and they were Muslims. So as Muslims marry Muslims they entered the Turkish gene pool. Simple isn't it, you should address your concerns to the Turkish Cypriots here not to me.

You utter nincompoop. It is not I who has concerns about my racial purity - I'm a pure Cypriot.

No it was you that brought it up,

The Cypriot Wrote:

Is it true that the village of Yialoussa used to be a major staging post – during the slave-trade – which is why so many Yialoussiotes have curly hair?

remember, fool......

[denizaksulu]

Just great! ... trust the bloody Turks to implicate Cyprus in the slave trade!

Still, it explains what we have been saying to insan all along ... that the Christians and the Muslims did NOT intermarry or even mix much ...

According to 18th century travel writer Richard Pococke who visited the island on October 24, 1738, black slaves were commonly transferred over from Egypt and sold to the Ottoman Turks in Cyprus. The Turks, according to Pococke would not “suffer them (the Christians) to buy any black slaves”. Their reluctance was because a majority of the slaves were Muslim, and under Islamic Sharia Law they could not be sold to Christians-it would have been unthinkable for a Muslim to be held as a slave by a Christian in a Muslim Empire.

Keeping slave girls was not always for prudent house keeping purposes though; it was not uncommon for a female African slave to be used as a concubine or maintain the role of an inamorata that the family wished to keep a secret.

BTW .... Does anyone have that photo of Zan with that lovely, dark Afro hair ....

I know Halil but as there is not one GC here that has stood up and said "I'M BLACK AND I'M PROUD" then I don't think they are interested!!!

My dear Oracle. Dont get too excited. The article says,1 muslim could not have muslims as slaves.' As concubines they prefered the dark eyed Greek Cypriot Despina's. Concubines or wives are not the same as slaves.

[YFred]

This is an interesting article by journalist Alkan Chaglar on African slavery in Cyprus, shedding some light on the island's dark past...

http://www.toplumpostasi.net/printa.php?col=85&art=1113

According to 18th century travel writer Richard Pococke who visited the island on October 24, 1738, black slaves were commonly transferred over from Egypt and sold to the Ottoman Turks in Cyprus...

...in Cyprus Africans despite being small in number rose to prominent positions ... and assimilated into the Turkish Cypriot community, creating a sizeable mixed race population today...

Cyprus’ history of slavery may be taboo for some, it certainly cannot be justified morally but it is nonetheless an important ingredient in the Turkish Cypriot heritage...

Colour conscious Cypriots whose eyes are gazed firmly towards Europe should note that Cyprus is closer to Africa than either Genoa or Venice.

My cousins in Kophinou had indeed been 'suckled' by a 'süt nine'. Hasanagi or Yfred may know the family. We all called her 'Kara nene', which translates as 'black grandmother'. It was in no way considered as being a derogatory term. Kara nene was highly respected. We were not allowed to speak to her unless we had paid our due respects by the traditional way of kissing the hand and placing it on our forehead. She was well respected by the whole village. I last saw her as a refugee after 1974 in Trikomo. Though blind by then she remembered my voice. When she died a few years later, it was said that she was 110 years old. RIP Gara nene.

Sorry I didn't know here but may she rest in peace.
We had several black people in the village who were very dark and one actually looked African. Our head teacher was also black. There was no animosity at all towards them. It's only when I came to London that I saw racism within the Cypriots community.

My step grandma looked like an African and her husband was a blue eyed, blonde Luricadi Hüseyin Dede; aka Hüseyin Gangrello. Maybe someone from YFred Clan knows him. Both RIP several years ago.

I did know an Iseyin dede. He was my grand dad. Also known as Muhtar dede.

His lakap was 'white' (Aspru)

The name Aspru seems familiar. When did he leave Lurucina?

[Oracle]

Just great! ... trust the bloody Turks to implicate Cyprus in the slave trade!

Still, it explains what we have been saying to insan all along ... that the Christians and the Muslims did NOT intermarry or even mix much ...

According to 18th century travel writer Richard Pococke who visited the island on October 24, 1738, black slaves were commonly transferred over from Egypt and sold to the Ottoman Turks in Cyprus. The Turks, according to Pococke would not “suffer them (the Christians) to buy any black slaves”. Their reluctance was because a majority of the slaves were Muslim, and under Islamic Sharia Law they could not be sold to Christians-it would have been unthinkable for a Muslim to be held as a slave by a Christian in a Muslim Empire.

Keeping slave girls was not always for prudent house keeping purposes though; it was not uncommon for a female African slave to be used as a concubine or maintain the role of an inamorata that the family wished to keep a secret.

BTW .... Does anyone have that photo of Zan with that lovely, dark Afro hair ....

I know Halil but as there is not one GC here that has stood up and said "I'M BLACK AND I'M PROUD" then I don't think they are interested!!!

My dear Oracle. Dont get too excited. The article says,1 muslim could not have muslims as slaves.' As concubines they prefered the dark eyed Greek Cypriot Despina's. Concubines or wives are not the same as slaves.

You have not understood the article at all!

Interestingly Deniz ... it alludes to how sacrosanct the differences in religion were ... So it is further proof that GCs and Otto-Turk (slave traders) did NOT intermarry ... Obviously the Otto-Turk (slave traders) preferred their African slaves as opposed to their European slaves (us) ....

But baby Zan was sooo cute ...

[The Cypriot]

They are called Afro Turks and they were Muslims. So as Muslims marry Muslims they entered the Turkish gene pool. Simple isn't it, you should address your concerns to the Turkish Cypriots here not to me.

You utter nincompoop. It is not I who has concerns about my racial purity - I'm a pure Cypriot.

No it was you that brought it up,

The Cypriot Wrote:

Is it true that the village of Yialoussa used to be a major staging post – during the slave-trade – which is why so many Yialoussiotes have curly hair?

remember, fool......

If only you weren't so foolish, you'd realise how foolish you were... I was pulling your leg, but you had to come back and deny it; as though there was anything worth denying!

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

Do you have curly hair by any chance, yialousa? I won't hold it against you. Maybe you had a 'Kara nene'.

[insan]

This is an interesting article by journalist Alkan Chaglar on African slavery in Cyprus, shedding some light on the island's dark past...

http://www.toplumpostasi.net/printa.php?col=85&art=1113

According to 18th century travel writer Richard Pococke who visited the island on October 24, 1738, black slaves were commonly transferred over from Egypt and sold to the Ottoman Turks in Cyprus...

...in Cyprus Africans despite being small in number rose to prominent positions ... and assimilated into the Turkish Cypriot community, creating a sizeable mixed race population today...

Cyprus’ history of slavery may be taboo for some, it certainly cannot be justified morally but it is nonetheless an important ingredient in the Turkish Cypriot heritage...

Colour conscious Cypriots whose eyes are gazed firmly towards Europe should note that Cyprus is closer to Africa than either Genoa or Venice.

My cousins in Kophinou had indeed been 'suckled' by a 'süt nine'. Hasanagi or Yfred may know the family. We all called her 'Kara nene', which translates as 'black grandmother'. It was in no way considered as being a derogatory term. Kara nene was highly respected. We were not allowed to speak to her unless we had paid our due respects by the traditional way of kissing the hand and placing it on our forehead. She was well respected by the whole village. I last saw her as a refugee after 1974 in Trikomo. Though blind by then she remembered my voice. When she died a few years later, it was said that she was 110 years old. RIP Gara nene.

Sorry I didn't know here but may she rest in peace.
We had several black people in the village who were very dark and one actually looked African. Our head teacher was also black. There was no animosity at all towards them. It's only when I came to London that I saw racism within the Cypriots community.

My step grandma looked like an African and her husband was a blue eyed, blonde Luricadi Hüseyin Dede; aka Hüseyin Gangrello. Maybe someone from YFred Clan knows him. Both RIP several years ago.

I did know an Iseyin dede. He was my grand dad. Also known as Muhtar dede.

His lakap was 'white' (Aspru)

The name Aspru seems familiar. When did he leave Lurucina?

Janlu che prende il posto di Gangrello Ancestor Quader Air Jordan ps: io posso prenotare per un altro... quindi chi tardi arriva... tardi arriva! ...

It sounds like gangrello is an Italian word... sure my Luricadi grandad was a Venetian.

[YFred]

This is an interesting article by journalist Alkan Chaglar on African slavery in Cyprus, shedding some light on the island's dark past...

http://www.toplumpostasi.net/printa.php?col=85&art=1113

According to 18th century travel writer Richard Pococke who visited the island on October 24, 1738, black slaves were commonly transferred over from Egypt and sold to the Ottoman Turks in Cyprus...

...in Cyprus Africans despite being small in number rose to prominent positions ... and assimilated into the Turkish Cypriot community, creating a sizeable mixed race population today...

Cyprus’ history of slavery may be taboo for some, it certainly cannot be justified morally but it is nonetheless an important ingredient in the Turkish Cypriot heritage...

Colour conscious Cypriots whose eyes are gazed firmly towards Europe should note that Cyprus is closer to Africa than either Genoa or Venice.

My cousins in Kophinou had indeed been 'suckled' by a 'süt nine'. Hasanagi or Yfred may know the family. We all called her 'Kara nene', which translates as 'black grandmother'. It was in no way considered as being a derogatory term. Kara nene was highly respected. We were not allowed to speak to her unless we had paid our due respects by the traditional way of kissing the hand and placing it on our forehead. She was well respected by the whole village. I last saw her as a refugee after 1974 in Trikomo. Though blind by then she remembered my voice. When she died a few years later, it was said that she was 110 years old. RIP Gara nene.

Sorry I didn't know here but may she rest in peace.
We had several black people in the village who were very dark and one actually looked African. Our head teacher was also black. There was no animosity at all towards them. It's only when I came to London that I saw racism within the Cypriots community.

My step grandma looked like an African and her husband was a blue eyed, blonde Luricadi Hüseyin Dede; aka Hüseyin Gangrello. Maybe someone from YFred Clan knows him. Both RIP several years ago.

I did know an Iseyin dede. He was my grand dad. Also known as Muhtar dede.

His lakap was 'white' (Aspru)

The name Aspru seems familiar. When did he leave Lurucina?

Janlu che prende il posto di Gangrello Ancestor Quader Air Jordan ps: io posso prenotare per un altro... quindi chi tardi arriva... tardi arriva! ...

It sounds like gangrello is an Italian word... sure my Luricadi grandad was a Venetian.

Sure, I met a venetian the other day that had the same surname as me. I also have a Venetian neighbour who swears that I look just like her uncle in Venice. All Lurucadis are Venetian it is believed. There is no proof, unfortunately the birth certificates in Lefkosa burned.

[denizaksulu]

This is an interesting article by journalist Alkan Chaglar on African slavery in Cyprus, shedding some light on the island's dark past...

http://www.toplumpostasi.net/printa.php?col=85&art=1113

According to 18th century travel writer Richard Pococke who visited the island on October 24, 1738, black slaves were commonly transferred over from Egypt and sold to the Ottoman Turks in Cyprus...

...in Cyprus Africans despite being small in number rose to prominent positions ... and assimilated into the Turkish Cypriot community, creating a sizeable mixed race population today...

Cyprus’ history of slavery may be taboo for some, it certainly cannot be justified morally but it is nonetheless an important ingredient in the Turkish Cypriot heritage...

Colour conscious Cypriots whose eyes are gazed firmly towards Europe should note that Cyprus is closer to Africa than either Genoa or Venice.

My cousins in Kophinou had indeed been 'suckled' by a 'süt nine'. Hasanagi or Yfred may know the family. We all called her 'Kara nene', which translates as 'black grandmother'. It was in no way considered as being a derogatory term. Kara nene was highly respected. We were not allowed to speak to her unless we had paid our due respects by the traditional way of kissing the hand and placing it on our forehead. She was well respected by the whole village. I last saw her as a refugee after 1974 in Trikomo. Though blind by then she remembered my voice. When she died a few years later, it was said that she was 110 years old. RIP Gara nene.

Sorry I didn't know here but may she rest in peace.
We had several black people in the village who were very dark and one actually looked African. Our head teacher was also black. There was no animosity at all towards them. It's only when I came to London that I saw racism within the Cypriots community.

My step grandma looked like an African and her husband was a blue eyed, blonde Luricadi Hüseyin Dede; aka Hüseyin Gangrello. Maybe someone from YFred Clan knows him. Both RIP several years ago.

I did know an Iseyin dede. He was my grand dad. Also known as Muhtar dede.

His lakap was 'white' (Aspru)

The name Aspru seems familiar. When did he leave Lurucina?

Aytotoroludur re Yfred. Anglisiyaya guveyi gittiydi.

[halil]

ok in here TC's ,GC's and Armenian Cypriots are together.

picture is taken from our Buyukhan Coffee club album .

Every saturday we are here for coffee.