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[denizaksulu]

The only reason they would have had for converting to Islam would have been to avoid the heavy taxes. It would have been self-defeating if they gave themselves away by having Christian names.

I understand why they would change their first/Christian names, but I dont see why there would have a neccesity to change their Venetian surnames/family names as long as those family names had no religious affiliation.

and in the case of Venetians avoision of heavy taxation wasnt why they converted, they converted to Islam/Orthodoxism of anti-Catholicism within the Ottoman empire

Anyway, apostasy from Islam to Christianity incurred the death penalty.

only until 1857 when the Ottomans pushed through reforms on religious freedom (Hatti-Humayun)

Please correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that TCs have only recently started using surnames. Until recently TCs were indentified by their own forename followed by their father's name. If a man named Fikret had a son called Mehmet, he would be know as 'Mehmet Fikret'. If the latter had a daughter called Lale, she would be know as 'Lale Mehmet'. So even if Venetians had surnames or family names, there was no tradition that would have preserved these.

Yes but if a man was called Mehmet Ismail for instance he would also unofficially be refered to as Mehmed Ismailo, or Kashano or Halilazzo or quite a few other o's.

The "-o" ending was not so common in 16th century Venetian names ... more likely endings were "-in" such as Bragadin or Augustin ... Also, most of them tended to have Saints names.

How come I know Bragadin as Bragadino or Laurenzo (der. Lourudjina).

The "o" ending is probably from his last breath as you flayed him alive ...

Otto-Turk (slave-trader): What is your name?

Bragadin: Bragadin ... ooooooooo!

Ottoman oppression
1571 The Ottomans massacre the population of Famagousta and flay the Venitian captain Bragadin alive after breaking their word of honour. The Cypriot Christian population is subjected to slavery. Since Christians are forbidden from even stepping onto the socio-political ladder Cypriot society becomes a virtua l theocracy.

The next large monument, over the Confessional, is the tomb of Marc' Antonio Bragadino, the heroic defender of Famagosta, in Cyprus, against the Turks ; (d. 1596.) Uninteresting in itself, this big and ugly work commemorates a singular act of treachery ; Bragadino, who had surrendered on terms, was tortured and flayed alive by the Unspeakable, as the picture above shows.

The link which is also useful for Art Attack victims. You will find hundreds of Venetian names ending with ----o.

http://www.oldandsold.com/articles29/venice-29.shtml


I am surprised you mock the dead. Especially one deservedly flayed alive for treachery.

[Oracle]

I am surprised you mock the dead. Especially one deservedly flayed alive for treachery.

I see you are revealingo your trueo Otto-Turko rootos ...

Bragadin was never Bragadino and neither was his crime treachery but simply existing in the face of Turko - Ottos who want the world to end with oooooo!

[denizaksulu]

I am surprised you mock the dead. Especially one deservedly flayed alive for treachery.

I see you are revealingo your trueo Otto-Turko rootos ...

Bragadin was never Bragadino and neither was his crime treachery but simply existing in the face of Turko - Ottos who want the world to end with oooooo!

All Cypriotes were Otto's dear O.


I have revealed nothing except that you either did read the link and ignored it or di not read it out of being a 'megalo-kephalis'. You only read your own links.

[GreekForumer]

I am surprised you mock the dead. Especially one deservedly flayed alive for treachery.

What treachery ?

[Oracle]

I am surprised you mock the dead. Especially one deservedly flayed alive for treachery.

What treachery ?

Hello GF!

Deniz knows not what he is talking about ... I am just keeping him amused whilst Simon tears apart Viewpoint and Get Real! ...

[denizaksulu]

I am surprised you mock the dead. Especially one deservedly flayed alive for treachery.

What treachery ?

It was narrated that during the siege of Famagusta in 1571, emissaries were sent to Bragadino to arrange for a surrender. The brave Bragadino is said to have had the emissary and some other Ottoman prisonersexcuted in a shameless act of bravado. When they finally capitulated, Lala Mustafa Pasha asked the whereabouts of these prisoners and the emissary. On hearing of their fate, Bragadino met his fate.

Ofcourse I expect Oracle and Co to call this Turkish propaganda. I do not expect any western source to admit to this.

[Oracle]

I am surprised you mock the dead. Especially one deservedly flayed alive for treachery.

What treachery ?

It was narrated that during the siege of Famagusta in 1571, emissaries were sent to Bragadino to arrange for a surrender. The brave Bragadino is said to have had the emissary and some other Ottoman prisonersexcuted in a shameless act of bravado. When they finally capitulated, Lala Mustafa Pasha asked the whereabouts of these prisoners and the emissary. On hearing of their fate, Bragadino met his fate.

Ofcourse I expect Oracle and Co to call this Turkish propaganda. I do not expect any western source to admit to this.

Even with your Eastern regalings ... Bragadin was not showing treachery but defending his (then) territory .... But, I don't expect any Eastern source to admit this!

... BTW, do you have any sources for your claim?

[denizaksulu]

I am surprised you mock the dead. Especially one deservedly flayed alive for treachery.

What treachery ?

It was narrated that during the siege of Famagusta in 1571, emissaries were sent to Bragadino to arrange for a surrender. The brave Bragadino is said to have had the emissary and some other Ottoman prisonersexcuted in a shameless act of bravado. When they finally capitulated, Lala Mustafa Pasha asked the whereabouts of these prisoners and the emissary. On hearing of their fate, Bragadino met his fate.

Ofcourse I expect Oracle and Co to call this Turkish propaganda. I do not expect any western source to admit to this.

Even with your Eastern regalings ... Bragadin was not showing treachery but defending his (then) territory .... But, I don't expect any Eastern source to admit this!

... BTW, do you have any sources for your claim?

NO!

Unfortunately I dont provide Turkish sources as they would be rubished.

We were told this when the schools were run by the British. I will need to seek out some sources, but it will certainly take time.

[denizaksulu]

http://www.cypnet.co.uk/ncyprus/history ... an/v10.htm


Try this, but dont come back saying it from Turkish sources.

I will keep looking. Its slightly different from what I remember.

[insan]

MARSYAS was a Phrygian Satyr who first composed tunes for the flute. He obtained his instrument from Athena, who had invented the device but discarded it in her displeasure over the bloating effect on the cheeks. Later, in hubristic pride over the new-found music, Marsyas dared challenge the god Apollon to a contest. The Satyr inevitably lost, when, in the second round, the god demanded they play their instruments upsidedown--a feat ill-suited to the flute. As punishment for his presumption, Apollon had Marsyas tied to a tree and flayed him alive.

http://www.theoi.com/Georgikos/SatyrosMarsyas.html

Documented Flaying Victims


Below you will find a list of documented instances where flaying was used as punishment. While it is often thought of as an ancient method of punishment - some of the dates may surprise you in the end:

· Yahu-Bihdi – ruler of Hamath – flayed alive by the Assyrians under the rule of Sargon II

· Sisamnes – Herodotus documented that this corrupt judge was flayed alive under the rule of Cambyses II of Persia for accepting a bribe.

· Marsyas – This satyr was flayed alive in Greek mythology as a result of having the nerve to challenge Apollo.

· Xipe Totec – According to Aztec mythology, this figure is known as the god of death and rebirth who was flayed. Each year, slaves served as sacrifices and were flayed in his honor.

· Rabbi Akiva – The Romans flayed this man because he publicly taught the Torah. This punishment was described in the Talmud.

· Roman Emperor Valerian – The Persians took Valerian as a prisoner and in 260 AD – was flayed. Some documentation states that his flayed skin was used to construct a footstool.

· Hurufi Imad ud – Din Nesimi – Before being flayed alive in 1404 (or 1417), this Islamic poet who focused on Turkic extraction was sentenced to death by a Timurid governor. His charges were heresy.

· Hypatia of Alexandria – In 415, this Neo – Platonist philosopher was flayed while still alive.

· Mani – The founding prophet, who brought about Manichaeism (a major Gnostic religion that survived between the 3rd and 7th centuries) is believed to have been flayed (or beheaded).

· Saint Andrew Bobola – This Polish Jesuit underwent a host of unimaginable punishments, including being burned, strangulation, and being partly flayed while still breathing. In the end, he was killed by a sabre stroke.

· Daskalogiannis – This Cretan rebel who fought against the Ottoman Empire is said to have been flayed while still alive. In history, he was known as a man who used his education to teach others, as well as lead. Under the orders of the Pasha of Handax – he was captured and tortured – meeting his end in June of 1771.

· Marco Antonio Bragadino – This Venetian lawyer and military officer was flayed during the Conquest of Famagusta (which took place in Cyprus). All of this was the doing of the Turks.

· Pierre Basile – While others were hanged, it was Basile that was flayed while alive – under the orders of the mercenary leader named Mercadier. This was punishment for the shooting and murder of King Richard I of England – using a crossbow. All of this took place during the siege of Chalus in March 1199.

· Nat Turner – The punishment for leading a slave rebellion in Virginia was flaying, losing your head, and being quartered, as seen in the case of Nat Turner (November 11th, 1831). Under his leadership, the most significant uprising in antebellum southern United States took place.

· Karenni Village – In 2000, it was reported that the government troops in Mayanmar entered the Karenni village and flayed all of the males that lived there

http://www.unexplainable.net/artman/pub ... 9363.shtml