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Postby Oracle » Fri Sep 11, 2009 1:01 am

insan wrote:
Oracle wrote:
insan wrote:Recently happened.

Christine,
It is unlikely, due to the unfortunate situation between the Catholic & Orthodox Churches, that you will be able to celebrate your marriage with the 2 priests jointly performing the ceremony.

There is also an additional issue to consider. If you are married in the Roman Catholic Church, the Greek Orthodox Church will not recognize the validity of the wedding and your fiance will be refused the sacraments. On the other hand if you get married in the Orthodox Church the Roman Catholic Church will recognize the wedding as valid.

If you were to get married in the Roman Catholic there would be no requirement for your fiance to convert.



Where's your source? That is completely the wrong way round. Orthodox recognise RC but not the other way around ...


http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a ... _id=00B7QT


Gawd you really are truly hopeless ... :roll:
Where do you find such awful material ... and what was the POINT of your post anyway?
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Postby insan » Fri Sep 11, 2009 1:04 am

Oracle wrote:
insan wrote:
Oracle wrote:
insan wrote:Recently happened.

Christine,
It is unlikely, due to the unfortunate situation between the Catholic & Orthodox Churches, that you will be able to celebrate your marriage with the 2 priests jointly performing the ceremony.

There is also an additional issue to consider. If you are married in the Roman Catholic Church, the Greek Orthodox Church will not recognize the validity of the wedding and your fiance will be refused the sacraments. On the other hand if you get married in the Orthodox Church the Roman Catholic Church will recognize the wedding as valid.

If you were to get married in the Roman Catholic there would be no requirement for your fiance to convert.



Where's your source? That is completely the wrong way round. Orthodox recognise RC but not the other way around ...


http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a ... _id=00B7QT


Gawd you really are truly hopeless ... :roll:
Where do you find such awful material ... and what was the POINT of your post anyway?


Because of the animosity between Orthodox and catholic churches, how the mixing of Greek Orthodox with Catholics be possible in Cyprus under Venetian rule?
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Postby zmx » Fri Sep 11, 2009 1:05 am

Oracle wrote:The only reason they would have had for converting to Islam would have been to avoid the heavy taxes. It would have been self-defeating if they gave themselves away by having Christian names.


I understand why they would change their first/Christian names, but I dont see why there would have a neccesity to change their Venetian surnames/family names as long as those family names had no religious affiliation.

and in the case of Venetians avoision of heavy taxation wasnt why they converted, they converted to Islam/Orthodoxism of anti-Catholicism within the Ottoman empire

Oracle wrote:Anyway, apostasy from Islam to Christianity incurred the death penalty.


only until 1857 when the Ottomans pushed through reforms on religious freedom (Hatti-Humayun)
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Postby Oracle » Fri Sep 11, 2009 1:07 am

insan wrote:
Oracle wrote:
insan wrote:
Oracle wrote:
insan wrote:Recently happened.

Christine,
It is unlikely, due to the unfortunate situation between the Catholic & Orthodox Churches, that you will be able to celebrate your marriage with the 2 priests jointly performing the ceremony.

There is also an additional issue to consider. If you are married in the Roman Catholic Church, the Greek Orthodox Church will not recognize the validity of the wedding and your fiance will be refused the sacraments. On the other hand if you get married in the Orthodox Church the Roman Catholic Church will recognize the wedding as valid.

If you were to get married in the Roman Catholic there would be no requirement for your fiance to convert.



Where's your source? That is completely the wrong way round. Orthodox recognise RC but not the other way around ...


http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a ... _id=00B7QT


Gawd you really are truly hopeless ... :roll:
Where do you find such awful material ... and what was the POINT of your post anyway?


Because of the animosity between Orthodox and catholic churches, how the mixing of Greek Orthodox with Catholics be possible in Cyprus under Venetian rule?


It depends when you mean. Nowadays it's different. But, they used to be ONE for nearly a thousand years previously ....
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Postby insan » Fri Sep 11, 2009 1:09 am

Oracle wrote:
insan wrote:
Oracle wrote:
insan wrote:
Oracle wrote:
insan wrote:Recently happened.

Christine,
It is unlikely, due to the unfortunate situation between the Catholic & Orthodox Churches, that you will be able to celebrate your marriage with the 2 priests jointly performing the ceremony.

There is also an additional issue to consider. If you are married in the Roman Catholic Church, the Greek Orthodox Church will not recognize the validity of the wedding and your fiance will be refused the sacraments. On the other hand if you get married in the Orthodox Church the Roman Catholic Church will recognize the wedding as valid.

If you were to get married in the Roman Catholic there would be no requirement for your fiance to convert.



Where's your source? That is completely the wrong way round. Orthodox recognise RC but not the other way around ...


http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a ... _id=00B7QT


Gawd you really are truly hopeless ... :roll:
Where do you find such awful material ... and what was the POINT of your post anyway?


Because of the animosity between Orthodox and catholic churches, how the mixing of Greek Orthodox with Catholics be possible in Cyprus under Venetian rule?


It depends when you mean. Nowadays it's different. But, they used to be ONE for nearly a thousand years previously ....


I've already mentioned when; during Venetian rule... maybe by conversions?
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Postby Oracle » Fri Sep 11, 2009 1:16 am

insan wrote:
Oracle wrote:
insan wrote:
Oracle wrote:
insan wrote:
Oracle wrote:
insan wrote:Recently happened.

Christine,
It is unlikely, due to the unfortunate situation between the Catholic & Orthodox Churches, that you will be able to celebrate your marriage with the 2 priests jointly performing the ceremony.

There is also an additional issue to consider. If you are married in the Roman Catholic Church, the Greek Orthodox Church will not recognize the validity of the wedding and your fiance will be refused the sacraments. On the other hand if you get married in the Orthodox Church the Roman Catholic Church will recognize the wedding as valid.

If you were to get married in the Roman Catholic there would be no requirement for your fiance to convert.



Where's your source? That is completely the wrong way round. Orthodox recognise RC but not the other way around ...


http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a ... _id=00B7QT


Gawd you really are truly hopeless ... :roll:
Where do you find such awful material ... and what was the POINT of your post anyway?


Because of the animosity between Orthodox and catholic churches, how the mixing of Greek Orthodox with Catholics be possible in Cyprus under Venetian rule?


It depends when you mean. Nowadays it's different. But, they used to be ONE for nearly a thousand years previously ....


I've already mentioned when; during Venetian rule... maybe by conversions?


It was mostly the nobility who intermarried and they were above religion. Besides, all they had to do (by today's observance) was marry in an RC Church and the GO Church would have accepted it. We mention them in our prayers :)
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Postby insan » Fri Sep 11, 2009 1:34 am

Thx a lot for the infos u given Oracle. So, they were above religion... I won't ask any credible sources abt it but i'll do my own research ...

For ur self-denying services at this time of the night, I wanna reward u with some new materials for future use... Hope u focus on the last message of... :wink:

http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/forum/ ... yprus.html
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Postby The Cypriot » Fri Sep 11, 2009 2:03 am

insan wrote:Thx a lot for the infos u given Oracle. So, they were above religion... I won't ask any credible sources abt it but i'll do my own research ...

For ur self-denying services at this time of the night, I wanna reward u with some new materials for future use... Hope u focus on the last message of... :wink:

http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/forum/ ... yprus.html


This is the message I'll focus on...


... Cyprus surpasses every other Greek island in the number of natives
illustrious for their birth, dignity, learning and saintliness...
Abbe Giovanni Mariti
Official of the Imperial and Tuscan
Consulates, lived in Cyprus 1760-67
Author of the "Viaggi per I'Isola di Cipro"

(And not just every Greek island)
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Postby wyoming cowboy » Fri Sep 11, 2009 2:12 am

This thread is a close second to its nature of stupidity...Number one has to be the girl in cyprus talking about her ADD...Ive read through the white supremacist web about cyprus and other issues these white supremacist have. First of all if anyone has read the book Bitter Lemons, it also went on and on about the Greekness of Cyprus, obviously a cheap way to convince the people of cyprus that they are not Greek, it didnt work in 1954 nor will it work today. What the geneticist concluded is that Cyprus along with many other Greek islands have similar or identical gene pools...Another point is that people in southern italy namely Foggia region have the identical gene characteristics as the Cypriots...Either the same Greek settlers that settled in Cyprus also settled in south Italy, or that Cyprus invaded and conquered southern Italy...or that the gene pool of Cypriots has not been changed since ancient times....The Turks are trying desperately to take the Greek out of Greek Cypriots it didnt work for over 500 years but our enemies keep trying.....
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Postby repulsewarrior » Fri Sep 11, 2009 2:16 am

Greek Cypriots are not whites, and the question should be are whites Cypriot?
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