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Like the Commission, the Court did not consider it appropriate to estimate the number of persons who fell into the category of “missing persons”. The Commission’s findings had been summarised as follows;

“25. The Commission found that the evidence submitted to it in the instant case confirmed its earlier findings that certain of the missing persons were last seen in Turkish or Turkish-Cypriot custody. In this connection, the Commission had regard to the following: a statement of Mr Denktaş, “President of the TRNC”, broadcast on 1 March 1996, in which he admitted that forty-two Greek-Cypriot prisoners were handed over to Turkish-Cypriot fighters who killed them and that in order to prevent further such killings prisoners were subsequently transferred to Turkey; the broadcast statement of Mr Yalçin Küçük, a former Turkish officer who had served in the Turkish army at the time and participated in the 1974 military operation in Cyprus, in which he suggested that the Turkish army had engaged in widespread killings of, inter alia, civilians in so-called cleaning-up operations; the Dillon Report submitted to the United States Congress in May 1998 indicating, inter alia, that Turkish and Turkish-Cypriot soldiers rounded up Greek-Cypriot civilians in the village of Asha on 18 August 1974 and took away males over the age of 15, most of whom were reportedly killed by Turkish-Cypriot fighters; the written statements of witnesses tending to corroborate the Commission’s earlier findings that many persons now missing were taken into custody by Turkish soldiers or Turkish-Cypriot paramilitaries.

26. The Commission concluded that, notwithstanding evidence of the killing of Greek-Cypriot prisoners and civilians, there was no proof that any of the missing persons were killed in circumstances for which the respondent State could be held responsible; nor did the Commission find any evidence to the effect that any of the persons taken into custody were still being detained or kept in servitude by the respondent State. On the other hand, the Commission found it established that the facts surrounding the fate of the missing persons had not been clarified by the authorities and brought to the notice of the victims’ relatives.”

http://www.cna.org.cy/website/english/edad.shtm

Nikitas, the fate of the ALL missing persons depends on confessions and reports of people and officials who have true information abt them.

And the only way to the truth is if the GCs start to confess to the numbers that were killed by their own and stop this blaming the Turks for every death.....If they were to say "Look, we admit that many of those were our doing" then we might just get to the bottom of this.....Denktas was honest about it so why can't they...Some sort of propaganda war perhaps??

Denktas was honet when was that then? I remember watching a BBC documentarty about the missing people and he sat their and said he didnt know what happened to the 1000 missing people. He did say they wernt executed. He is biggest bullshtter ever.

He was part of the 74 invasion and he knows exactly what happened to all the missing. Lets not forget how many TC's that were killed by the TMT so they could force the TC community into the enclaves just so Turkey had its justification to invade in the futre which they did. The trouble in the 60's was down to you lot as well not just us.

You really are beyond help. But I will try anyway.
TMT killed TCs who tried to wake people up about the intention of Some GCs and TCs to split the island up and that it would lead to war and disaster.
Kavazoglu and the two lawyers spring to mind. The reason for the TCs seeking refuge in the enclaves was because they feared your heros eoka. The killed plenty of innocent TCs. The job of TMT was to protect the enclaves. Nobody was forced to stay there. I personally know of one man who did not take the advice and ventured into Dali and never returned. Another a nurse also did not take that advice and heeded the call of the RoC to return to the Hospital where he worked and we all know what they did to him. My two other neighbours were farm hands on a GC farm never returned. You ignorant excuse for a human being.

I'm not saying TC's were not harmed by GC's they were you are correct. But dont make out you lot are whiter than white. Your TMT were forceing TC's into the enclaves. Have you forgotten the bomb the TMT planted in Nicosia which killed TC's and then they tried to blame it on the GC's.

I see that you have completely ignored my comments about Denktash is that because I'm talking the truth. I have noticed that everytime we quote the truth you always refuse to talk about it.

As I have said many time yes we did commit crimes against the TC's. Why dont you admit your crimes you idiot.

[EPSILON]

When they find be sure we will talk abt it. We will talk abt it wheteher they were POWs or killed during the combat. Even there could be mass graves of GCs in North who were killed by Sampson and his gangs before Turkey intervened. I fully support that every report regarding missings must be investigated and revealed.

If they were killed as PoWs by a group of TCs or Turks; shame on those Turks and TCs committing such a cowardly and brutal crime! If they were killed during the combat, shame on those who brought them to combat and caused their death!


Ps: Hope this staisfy Oracle and alikes.

I notice that you separate Sampson from Turkish army.!!They, both were the same thing (at least 1974) - terrorists.!!But Sampson was an inlegal regime (junta) and Turkish army was an official part of Turkish government!!!Junta regime - finshed-capout- Turkish state is still there. Therefore only one can be sent to court.

In Greek Republic of Cyprus, he still is commemorated especially by DISI and it's supporters.

Greek state is still in Greek Republic of Cyprus. The National Guard of Greek Republic of Cyprus is still under command of Greek officers.

You are still confused. National guard during 1974 was under the command of Greek junta. (you know-this regime with whom your leaders of the time were agreed for the invasion and no resistance etc etc-these who were telling us that the tURKISH SHIPS ARE OUTSIDE CYPRUS FOR EXERCICES-The who moved the defend arms from North Cyprus to Paphos or hidden same in NG Headquarters).Now, if i know well , there is no junta either in Greece or Cyprus.

National Guard was illegally formed in 1964 and leader of NG was General Grivas; an officer of Greek Armed Forces despite the fact he was a Cypriot. There was no Junta in 1964. He was in charge until 1967...

From 1964 till 1967 supposedly he behaved independent and irresponsible from the so-called RoC and GoG governments. He was seen as the main reason behind armed conflict between GCs and TCs, then by mediation of US and Turkey he was called back to Athens.

In 1971, he suposedly; "secretly" returned to Cyprus and formed EOKA-B. In a few years time, he managed to split up NG into 2 as Grivas supporters and Makarios supporters. Majority of 22.000 NG was under control of Grivas and later after his death, control passed to Sampson.

After the fell of Greek Junta, NG has been kept under command of Greek Army officers from Greece.

Yes yes i know the story-i was there- it was the period when T/cs with their supporters from mainland were digging the tunels!!!

What tunnels they were digging? I'm interested to hear abt it... since u r an eye witness...

The problem is that they are still digging....
Do you know about Sakharia village poutside Famagusta? do you know that this village found to be connected with an underground tunel with the old (Turkish famagusta area)? This tunel was not opened within a night -because is found on 21July74 am.!!!

Do you know how many underground places were full of arms for T/cs on 20July74 am-long before Turkish army reach their areas?

Therefore stop believing that G/cs were against T/cs for fun.And because, starting to say the story again, how CB created, is long story which repeated by many forumers so far i will not go again back to 1956-1960 period.

What should have TCs done under such circumstances? Simply obbey Greek/GC rule and be a minority in Cyprus or fekk off to Turkey?

Maybe you are right-nobody succeeded to convist the other on this certain subject therefore i will not try.My position now on CB must be based on today's situation and basis this i consider the today's status is the best we (G/cs) can have for the time being. Any solution agreement will be against us basis Turks won the war. This is my general view on today's situation.

[Get Real!]

1st in command appears to be Greek…
http://www.army.gov.cy/index.php?id=252

2nd in command appears to be Cypriot…
http://www.army.gov.cy/index.php?id=261

The problem is that it takes decades for an officer to attain the necessary rank to qualify for the premier position and the NG hasn’t existed for very long, so it’s hard to find a Cypriot to fill in this position every time. With every passing decade though, there are more and more Cypriots filling in the various positions.

Anyway, the NG of Cyprus is NOT under the command of the Greek NG, but Greek officers have been used to kick start it simply because Cypriots had no experience in setting an army up.

On Cyprus, the Greek Cypriot National Guard (GCNG) has 10,000 soldiers on active duty, with 88,000 reserves. Of the 88,000, half are age 35-50; the rest are age 20-34. These forces are supplemented by about 1,000 Greek mainland troops and 1,300 Greek mainland officers. These officers lead and control the Greek Cypriot National Guard.6

On the North side of Cyprus, there are some 4,000 Turkish Cypriot Security Forces (TCSF) with 26,000 reserves (also up to age 50). There are about 30,000 Turkish mainland soldiers in the North. The Turkish forces (TF) are better trained and better disciplined than the Greek Cypriot National Guard.7 The TF enjoy a two or three to one advantage in main battle tanks, after the GCNG buildup is taken into account. There are similar proportions in other types of weaponry.

http://www.hri.org/forum/intpol/UNFICYP/4.html

You’ve posted the ill informed opinion of a Greek Nationalist from “HR Net”! He is talking rubbish.

ELDYK has NOTHING to do with the NG of Cyprus! We don’t even have any military exercises with them.

ELDYK, is the token force of 1,800 odd Greek men, as agreed in the 1959 agreements. They do nothing all day!

[EPSILON]

1st in command appears to be Greek…
http://www.army.gov.cy/index.php?id=252


ELDYK, is the token force of 1,800 odd Greek men, as agreed in the 1959 agreements. They do nothing all day!

Not like NG guys who are working hard under the sun...at the beach

[Get Real!]

1st in command appears to be Greek…
http://www.army.gov.cy/index.php?id=252


ELDYK, is the token force of 1,800 odd Greek men, as agreed in the 1959 agreements. They do nothing all day!

Not like NG guys who are working hard under the sun...at the beach

You came to Cyprus and instead of taking advantage of your time to learn a thing or two about Cyprus, you spent it eating and drinking by the seaside!

Had you driven to the Agalma bus station in Nicosia, you would've seen the lazy Greeks in a single building playing with their willies all day.

[EPSILON]

[quote="Get Real!"][quote="insan"][quote="Get Real!"]1st in command appears to be Greek…
http://www.army.gov.cy/index.php?id=252


ELDYK has NOTHING to do with the NG of Cyprus! We don’t even have any military exercises with them.

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The only relation may have is the NG latest plans for the case of a war- to give up immdly and go behind the campus of Eldyk for protection!!!!

[insan]

1st in command appears to be Greek…
http://www.army.gov.cy/index.php?id=252

2nd in command appears to be Cypriot…
http://www.army.gov.cy/index.php?id=261

The problem is that it takes decades for an officer to attain the necessary rank to qualify for the premier position and the NG hasn’t existed for very long, so it’s hard to find a Cypriot to fill in this position every time. With every passing decade though, there are more and more Cypriots filling in the various positions.

Anyway, the NG of Cyprus is NOT under the command of the Greek NG, but Greek officers have been used to kick start it simply because Cypriots had no experience in setting an army up.

On Cyprus, the Greek Cypriot National Guard (GCNG) has 10,000 soldiers on active duty, with 88,000 reserves. Of the 88,000, half are age 35-50; the rest are age 20-34. These forces are supplemented by about 1,000 Greek mainland troops and 1,300 Greek mainland officers. These officers lead and control the Greek Cypriot National Guard.6

On the North side of Cyprus, there are some 4,000 Turkish Cypriot Security Forces (TCSF) with 26,000 reserves (also up to age 50). There are about 30,000 Turkish mainland soldiers in the North. The Turkish forces (TF) are better trained and better disciplined than the Greek Cypriot National Guard.7 The TF enjoy a two or three to one advantage in main battle tanks, after the GCNG buildup is taken into account. There are similar proportions in other types of weaponry.

http://www.hri.org/forum/intpol/UNFICYP/4.html

You’ve posted the ill informed opinion of a Greek Nationalist from “HR Net”! He is talking rubbish.

ELDYK has NOTHING to do with the NG of Cyprus! We don’t even have any military exercises with them.

ELDYK, is the token force of 1,800 odd Greek men, as agreed in the 1959 agreements. They do nothing all day!

I don't know who he is but he sounds like a very wise man unlike a warmonger as u.

CONCLUSION OF PART 1: A STRATEGIC ASSESSMENT
In the event of war on Cyprus, there is little any state or organization can do to prevent Turkey from winning that war. This is true whether Cyprus is demilitarized or not. Tragic consequences await those who think otherwise. If the Greek and Turkish Cypriots are forced to cooperate and live together under a federal government when they are not ready to do so, the resulting gridlock, tension, and strife could well lead to a replay of 1960-1974.

http://www.hri.org/forum/intpol/UNFICYP/7.html

[EPSILON]

[quote="ELDYK has NOTHING to do with the NG of Cyprus! We don’t even have any military exercises with them.

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We do not have any military exercises with them by orders of whom? Do you know? Bush, saying something to you? Ertogan.something? Mpakogianni maybe? or G Papantreou?- the good friends ?

goodnight Vietnam....

[Get Real!]

The only relation may have is the NG latest plans for the case of a war- to give up immdly and go behind the campus of Eldyk for protection!!!!

Go look after your rocks in the Aegean and don’t worry about Cyprus...

[Get Real!]

I don't know who he is but he sounds like a very wise man unlike a warmonger as u.

The “wise” man also claims…

“The bottom line on the local balance of forces is that the Turkish forces could defeat the South in about three days”

If it took Turkey 4 weeks in 1974 when there was next to zero resistance and a Greek coup paving the way, how did he calculate that Turkey would defeat the now 100,000 odd trained and fully armed soldiers + reservists of the NG, in 3 days?

Even if all the NG hardware was to be stationed motionless, they wouldn’t have enough time to destroy them in 3 days!