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[insan]

The National Guard of Greek Republic of Cyprus is still under command of Greek officers.

Inserting the word "Greek" a couple of times per sentence doesn't make your argument right... you're just talking rubbish!

It depends whom u r talking with... I know "Greek" and "Turk" disturb u a lot when it concerned with Cyprus.

It doesn't matter whom you're talking to...

Do you want to be FACTUAL or just salivate with vindictive nonsense?

What is not factual in my postings?

[Get Real!]

The National Guard of Greek Republic of Cyprus is still under command of Greek officers.

Inserting the word "Greek" a couple of times per sentence doesn't make your argument right... you're just talking rubbish!

GR old boy, please answer the question I put to Epsilon above. Now theres a good boy.

Say please and I just might...

[EPSILON]

When they find be sure we will talk abt it. We will talk abt it wheteher they were POWs or killed during the combat. Even there could be mass graves of GCs in North who were killed by Sampson and his gangs before Turkey intervened. I fully support that every report regarding missings must be investigated and revealed.

If they were killed as PoWs by a group of TCs or Turks; shame on those Turks and TCs committing such a cowardly and brutal crime! If they were killed during the combat, shame on those who brought them to combat and caused their death!


Ps: Hope this staisfy Oracle and alikes.

I notice that you separate Sampson from Turkish army.!!They, both were the same thing (at least 1974) - terrorists.!!But Sampson was an inlegal regime (junta) and Turkish army was an official part of Turkish government!!!Junta regime - finshed-capout- Turkish state is still there. Therefore only one can be sent to court.

In Greek Republic of Cyprus, he still is commemorated especially by DISI and it's supporters.

Greek state is still in Greek Republic of Cyprus. The National Guard of Greek Republic of Cyprus is still under command of Greek officers.

You are still confused. National guard during 1974 was under the command of Greek junta. (you know-this regime with whom your leaders of the time were agreed for the invasion and no resistance etc etc-these who were telling us that the tURKISH SHIPS ARE OUTSIDE CYPRUS FOR EXERCICES-The who moved the defend arms from North Cyprus to Paphos or hidden same in NG Headquarters).Now, if i know well , there is no junta either in Greece or Cyprus.

National Guard was illegally formed in 1964 and leader of NG was General Grivas; an officer of Greek Armed Forces despite the fact he was a Cypriot. There was no Junta in 1964. He was in charge until 1967...

From 1964 till 1967 supposedly he behaved independent and irresponsible from the so-called RoC and GoG governments. He was seen as the main reason behind armed conflict between GCs and TCs, then by mediation of US and Turkey he was called back to Athens.

In 1971, he suposedly; "secretly" returned to Cyprus and formed EOKA-B. In a few years time, he managed to split up NG into 2 as Grivas supporters and Makarios supporters. Majority of 22.000 NG was under control of Grivas and later after his death, control passed to Sampson.

After the fell of Greek Junta, NG has been kept under command of Greek Army officers from Greece.

Yes yes i know the story-i was there- it was the period when T/cs with their supporters from mainland were digging the tunels!!!

[Get Real!]

1st in command appears to be Greek…
http://www.army.gov.cy/index.php?id=252

2nd in command appears to be Cypriot…
http://www.army.gov.cy/index.php?id=261

The problem is that it takes decades for an officer to attain the necessary rank to qualify for the premier position and the NG hasn’t existed for very long, so it’s hard to find a Cypriot to fill in this position every time. With every passing decade though, there are more and more Cypriots filling in the various positions.

Anyway, the NG of Cyprus is NOT under the command of the Greek NG, but Greek officers have been used to kick start it simply because Cypriots had no experience in setting an army up.

[EPSILON]

When they find be sure we will talk abt it. We will talk abt it wheteher they were POWs or killed during the combat. Even there could be mass graves of GCs in North who were killed by Sampson and his gangs before Turkey intervened. I fully support that every report regarding missings must be investigated and revealed.

If they were killed as PoWs by a group of TCs or Turks; shame on those Turks and TCs committing such a cowardly and brutal crime! If they were killed during the combat, shame on those who brought them to combat and caused their death!


Ps: Hope this staisfy Oracle and alikes.

I notice that you separate Sampson from Turkish army.!!They, both were the same thing (at least 1974) - terrorists.!!But Sampson was an inlegal regime (junta) and Turkish army was an official part of Turkish government!!!Junta regime - finshed-capout- Turkish state is still there. Therefore only one can be sent to court.

In Greek Republic of Cyprus, he still is commemorated especially by DISI and it's supporters.

Greek state is still in Greek Republic of Cyprus. The National Guard of Greek Republic of Cyprus is still under command of Greek officers.

You are still confused. National guard during 1974 was under the command of Greek junta. (you know-this regime with whom your leaders of the time were agreed for the invasion and no resistance etc etc-these who were telling us that the tURKISH SHIPS ARE OUTSIDE CYPRUS FOR EXERCICES-The who moved the defend arms from North Cyprus to Paphos or hidden same in NG Headquarters).Now, if i know well , there is no junta either in Greece or Cyprus.

Epsilon, isn't the top man in the NG a Greek, Why not a GC?

The real enemy is the Turkish army- this was from the bigining.I do not believe that you consider that G/cs were or are in position to defend (at least defend) alone against the Turkish army!!!But for your information Cristofias would be very glad to change the leadership of NG just to satisfy the Turkish forces in order they accept a softer surrenter agreement.

G Papantreou and D Mpakogianni would be also glad to do so , jastifying the empire's instructions.They afraid only one thing- all of them- the reaction of Greek people who happen to be voters also.

[insan]

When they find be sure we will talk abt it. We will talk abt it wheteher they were POWs or killed during the combat. Even there could be mass graves of GCs in North who were killed by Sampson and his gangs before Turkey intervened. I fully support that every report regarding missings must be investigated and revealed.

If they were killed as PoWs by a group of TCs or Turks; shame on those Turks and TCs committing such a cowardly and brutal crime! If they were killed during the combat, shame on those who brought them to combat and caused their death!


Ps: Hope this staisfy Oracle and alikes.

I notice that you separate Sampson from Turkish army.!!They, both were the same thing (at least 1974) - terrorists.!!But Sampson was an inlegal regime (junta) and Turkish army was an official part of Turkish government!!!Junta regime - finshed-capout- Turkish state is still there. Therefore only one can be sent to court.

In Greek Republic of Cyprus, he still is commemorated especially by DISI and it's supporters.

Greek state is still in Greek Republic of Cyprus. The National Guard of Greek Republic of Cyprus is still under command of Greek officers.

You are still confused. National guard during 1974 was under the command of Greek junta. (you know-this regime with whom your leaders of the time were agreed for the invasion and no resistance etc etc-these who were telling us that the tURKISH SHIPS ARE OUTSIDE CYPRUS FOR EXERCICES-The who moved the defend arms from North Cyprus to Paphos or hidden same in NG Headquarters).Now, if i know well , there is no junta either in Greece or Cyprus.

National Guard was illegally formed in 1964 and leader of NG was General Grivas; an officer of Greek Armed Forces despite the fact he was a Cypriot. There was no Junta in 1964. He was in charge until 1967...

From 1964 till 1967 supposedly he behaved independent and irresponsible from the so-called RoC and GoG governments. He was seen as the main reason behind armed conflict between GCs and TCs, then by mediation of US and Turkey he was called back to Athens.

In 1971, he suposedly; "secretly" returned to Cyprus and formed EOKA-B. In a few years time, he managed to split up NG into 2 as Grivas supporters and Makarios supporters. Majority of 22.000 NG was under control of Grivas and later after his death, control passed to Sampson.

After the fell of Greek Junta, NG has been kept under command of Greek Army officers from Greece.

Yes yes i know the story-i was there- it was the period when T/cs with their supporters from mainland were digging the tunels!!!

What tunnels they were digging? I'm interested to hear abt it... since u r an eye witness...

[YFred]

1st in command appears to be Greek…
http://www.army.gov.cy/index.php?id=252

2nd in command appears to be Cypriot…
http://www.army.gov.cy/index.php?id=261

The problem is that it takes decades for an officer to attain the necessary rank to qualify for the premier position and the NG hasn’t existed for very long, so it’s hard to find a Cypriot to fill in this position every time. With every passing decade though, there are more and more Cypriots filling in the various positions.

Anyway, the NG of Cyprus is NOT under the command of the Greek NG, but Greek officers have been used to kick start it simply because Cypriots had no experience in setting an army up.

Very poor excuse if I may say so. Both North and South should have their own top man no matter how good or bad. They did it in Iraq when Saddam was ousted. They soon found people outside of the Army.
It would be a good step to remove a lot of the fears of people on both side of the divide.

[insan]

1st in command appears to be Greek…
http://www.army.gov.cy/index.php?id=252

2nd in command appears to be Cypriot…
http://www.army.gov.cy/index.php?id=261

The problem is that it takes decades for an officer to attain the necessary rank to qualify for the premier position and the NG hasn’t existed for very long, so it’s hard to find a Cypriot to fill in this position every time. With every passing decade though, there are more and more Cypriots filling in the various positions.

Anyway, the NG of Cyprus is NOT under the command of the Greek NG, but Greek officers have been used to kick start it simply because Cypriots had no experience in setting an army up.

On Cyprus, the Greek Cypriot National Guard (GCNG) has 10,000 soldiers on active duty, with 88,000 reserves. Of the 88,000, half are age 35-50; the rest are age 20-34. These forces are supplemented by about 1,000 Greek mainland troops and 1,300 Greek mainland officers. These officers lead and control the Greek Cypriot National Guard.6

On the North side of Cyprus, there are some 4,000 Turkish Cypriot Security Forces (TCSF) with 26,000 reserves (also up to age 50). There are about 30,000 Turkish mainland soldiers in the North. The Turkish forces (TF) are better trained and better disciplined than the Greek Cypriot National Guard.7 The TF enjoy a two or three to one advantage in main battle tanks, after the GCNG buildup is taken into account. There are similar proportions in other types of weaponry.

http://www.hri.org/forum/intpol/UNFICYP/4.html

[EPSILON]

When they find be sure we will talk abt it. We will talk abt it wheteher they were POWs or killed during the combat. Even there could be mass graves of GCs in North who were killed by Sampson and his gangs before Turkey intervened. I fully support that every report regarding missings must be investigated and revealed.

If they were killed as PoWs by a group of TCs or Turks; shame on those Turks and TCs committing such a cowardly and brutal crime! If they were killed during the combat, shame on those who brought them to combat and caused their death!


Ps: Hope this staisfy Oracle and alikes.

I notice that you separate Sampson from Turkish army.!!They, both were the same thing (at least 1974) - terrorists.!!But Sampson was an inlegal regime (junta) and Turkish army was an official part of Turkish government!!!Junta regime - finshed-capout- Turkish state is still there. Therefore only one can be sent to court.

In Greek Republic of Cyprus, he still is commemorated especially by DISI and it's supporters.

Greek state is still in Greek Republic of Cyprus. The National Guard of Greek Republic of Cyprus is still under command of Greek officers.

You are still confused. National guard during 1974 was under the command of Greek junta. (you know-this regime with whom your leaders of the time were agreed for the invasion and no resistance etc etc-these who were telling us that the tURKISH SHIPS ARE OUTSIDE CYPRUS FOR EXERCICES-The who moved the defend arms from North Cyprus to Paphos or hidden same in NG Headquarters).Now, if i know well , there is no junta either in Greece or Cyprus.

National Guard was illegally formed in 1964 and leader of NG was General Grivas; an officer of Greek Armed Forces despite the fact he was a Cypriot. There was no Junta in 1964. He was in charge until 1967...

From 1964 till 1967 supposedly he behaved independent and irresponsible from the so-called RoC and GoG governments. He was seen as the main reason behind armed conflict between GCs and TCs, then by mediation of US and Turkey he was called back to Athens.

In 1971, he suposedly; "secretly" returned to Cyprus and formed EOKA-B. In a few years time, he managed to split up NG into 2 as Grivas supporters and Makarios supporters. Majority of 22.000 NG was under control of Grivas and later after his death, control passed to Sampson.

After the fell of Greek Junta, NG has been kept under command of Greek Army officers from Greece.

Yes yes i know the story-i was there- it was the period when T/cs with their supporters from mainland were digging the tunels!!!

What tunnels they were digging? I'm interested to hear abt it... since u r an eye witness...

The problem is that they are still digging....
Do you know about Sakharia village poutside Famagusta? do you know that this village found to be connected with an underground tunel with the old (Turkish famagusta area)? This tunel was not opened within a night -because is found on 21July74 am.!!!

Do you know how many underground places were full of arms for T/cs on 20July74 am-long before Turkish army reach their areas?

Therefore stop believing that G/cs were against T/cs for fun.And because, starting to say the story again, how CB created, is long story which repeated by many forumers so far i will not go again back to 1956-1960 period.

[insan]

When they find be sure we will talk abt it. We will talk abt it wheteher they were POWs or killed during the combat. Even there could be mass graves of GCs in North who were killed by Sampson and his gangs before Turkey intervened. I fully support that every report regarding missings must be investigated and revealed.

If they were killed as PoWs by a group of TCs or Turks; shame on those Turks and TCs committing such a cowardly and brutal crime! If they were killed during the combat, shame on those who brought them to combat and caused their death!


Ps: Hope this staisfy Oracle and alikes.

I notice that you separate Sampson from Turkish army.!!They, both were the same thing (at least 1974) - terrorists.!!But Sampson was an inlegal regime (junta) and Turkish army was an official part of Turkish government!!!Junta regime - finshed-capout- Turkish state is still there. Therefore only one can be sent to court.

In Greek Republic of Cyprus, he still is commemorated especially by DISI and it's supporters.

Greek state is still in Greek Republic of Cyprus. The National Guard of Greek Republic of Cyprus is still under command of Greek officers.

You are still confused. National guard during 1974 was under the command of Greek junta. (you know-this regime with whom your leaders of the time were agreed for the invasion and no resistance etc etc-these who were telling us that the tURKISH SHIPS ARE OUTSIDE CYPRUS FOR EXERCICES-The who moved the defend arms from North Cyprus to Paphos or hidden same in NG Headquarters).Now, if i know well , there is no junta either in Greece or Cyprus.

National Guard was illegally formed in 1964 and leader of NG was General Grivas; an officer of Greek Armed Forces despite the fact he was a Cypriot. There was no Junta in 1964. He was in charge until 1967...

From 1964 till 1967 supposedly he behaved independent and irresponsible from the so-called RoC and GoG governments. He was seen as the main reason behind armed conflict between GCs and TCs, then by mediation of US and Turkey he was called back to Athens.

In 1971, he suposedly; "secretly" returned to Cyprus and formed EOKA-B. In a few years time, he managed to split up NG into 2 as Grivas supporters and Makarios supporters. Majority of 22.000 NG was under control of Grivas and later after his death, control passed to Sampson.

After the fell of Greek Junta, NG has been kept under command of Greek Army officers from Greece.

Yes yes i know the story-i was there- it was the period when T/cs with their supporters from mainland were digging the tunels!!!

What tunnels they were digging? I'm interested to hear abt it... since u r an eye witness...

The problem is that they are still digging....
Do you know about Sakharia village poutside Famagusta? do you know that this village found to be connected with an underground tunel with the old (Turkish famagusta area)? This tunel was not opened within a night -because is found on 21July74 am.!!!

Do you know how many underground places were full of arms for T/cs on 20July74 am-long before Turkish army reach their areas?

Therefore stop believing that G/cs were against T/cs for fun.And because, starting to say the story again, how CB created, is long story which repeated by many forumers so far i will not go again back to 1956-1960 period.

What should have TCs done under such circumstances? Simply obbey Greek/GC rule and be a minority in Cyprus or fekk off to Turkey?