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[insan]

Sampson arrested a few hundred people, had them executed and then moved the bodies to Lapithos and buried them there inorder to discredit the Turks who would be invading a week later. Now that takes some prize in thinking things through!

We had relatives arrested during the coup, some are very close relatives, and we know what happened during the coup and where. The heaviest fighting was around the CYBC building and police HQ. ALso major fights took place in Limassol police station and Paphos. There was no serious fighting in Larnaca or Famagusta. A friend was wounded at Limassol, it was tragic at the time but it is funny because he was shot in the buttock, just like Forest Gump.

Anyhow, DNA testing will show who is buried in these mass graves and all nonsense will be finished. These were soldiers and civilians from the Kyrenia area.

There is also information that a massacre of prisoners happened near Famagusta in a bombed national guard camp and they were buried in a mass grave there.

Thx a lot one and only eye witness of everything happened in Cyprus, know all Nikitas.

Regards.

[insan]

When they find be sure we will talk abt it. We will talk abt it wheteher they were POWs or killed during the combat. Even there could be mass graves of GCs in North who were killed by Sampson and his gangs before Turkey intervened. I fully support that every report regarding missings must be investigated and revealed.

If they were killed as PoWs by a group of TCs or Turks; shame on those Turks and TCs committing such a cowardly and brutal crime! If they were killed during the combat, shame on those who brought them to combat and caused their death!


Ps: Hope this staisfy Oracle and alikes.

[Oracle]

First of all, exhumation is CMP's job... I don't think any GC official is that stupid to ask exhumation of the alleged place while exhumations r done by CMP.

It is the CMP's job ... and they are investigating!



Kyprianou: missing persons

08.SEP.09

Cyprus Foreign Minister Markos Kyprianou has underlined Turkey’s responsibilities regarding the humanitarian issue of Greek Cypriot missing persons, who were declared missing after the Turkish invasion against Cyprus in 1974.

Invited to comment on press reports about a mass grave of Greek Cypriot missing persons, located in the Turkish occupied areas of Cyprus, Kyprianou said that the information is being investigated by the Committee on Missing Persons (CMP).

He said that the issue of missing persons is a humanitarian issue, adding it has been decided that it should proceed as such, regardless of the course of the direct negotiations held between the leaders of the two communities of Cyprus, with the aim to reach a solution of the political problem of Cyprus.

Kyprianou said that the Turkish army has to allow access to its archives to help efforts to establish the fate of missing persons, especially those who were last seen in Turkey.

According to government sources, the Cypriot government is aware of the existence of a mass grave of Greek Cypriots in the Turkish occupied areas of Cyprus.

The same sources said that the Cypriot president would raise the issue at the next meeting he will hold with the Turkish Cypriot leader in the framework of UN led direct negotiations which aim at reaching a solution of the Cyprus problem.

The government sources said that press reports on the existence of a mass grave of Greek Cypriots, who were buried by Turkish soldiers in the Lapithos region, are accurate and are included in a testimony given in March 1977, three years after Turkey invaded against Cyprus.

The Republic of Cyprus has asked for exhumations to take place in the region but the Turkish regime in occupied Cyprus has rejected that request, the sources said.

Famagusta Gazette.

Yes, Oracle. Finally u worked it out. It is being investigated. Let's follow the news... and not use them for propaganda purposes.

No one denied it was being investigated ... What needed clarifying was your endless streams of it being "Sampson", then it being "propaganda", then it being some "unknown source", then not acknowledging that the Turkish regime are denying access.

Yes the RoC has testimonies and yes the CMP are investigating ... if the Turkish regime do not destroy the evidence whilst they refuse access ...

Which is back to square one ... before you came in with your hope that it will be the work of Sampson.

[insan]

When they find be sure we will talk abt it. We will talk abt it wheteher they were POWs or killed during the combat. Even there could be mass graves of GCs in North who were killed by Sampson and his gangs before Turkey intervened. I fully support that every report regarding missings must be investigated and revealed.

If they were killed as PoWs by a group of TCs or Turks; shame on those Turks and TCs committing such a cowardly and brutal crime! If they were killed during the combat, shame on those who brought them to combat and caused their death!


Ps: Hope this staisfy Oracle and alikes.

[Nikitas]

It is interesting to ponder the role of some people in these events. Denktash has said that the prisoners were handed over to TC fighters. One stalwart TC fighter is Eroglu. Was he in Cyprus during July and August 1974? What was he doing during those days? What was his rank in the hierarchy?

[insan]

Like the Commission, the Court did not consider it appropriate to estimate the number of persons who fell into the category of “missing persons”. The Commission’s findings had been summarised as follows;

“25. The Commission found that the evidence submitted to it in the instant case confirmed its earlier findings that certain of the missing persons were last seen in Turkish or Turkish-Cypriot custody. In this connection, the Commission had regard to the following: a statement of Mr Denktaş, “President of the TRNC”, broadcast on 1 March 1996, in which he admitted that forty-two Greek-Cypriot prisoners were handed over to Turkish-Cypriot fighters who killed them and that in order to prevent further such killings prisoners were subsequently transferred to Turkey; the broadcast statement of Mr Yalçin Küçük, a former Turkish officer who had served in the Turkish army at the time and participated in the 1974 military operation in Cyprus, in which he suggested that the Turkish army had engaged in widespread killings of, inter alia, civilians in so-called cleaning-up operations; the Dillon Report submitted to the United States Congress in May 1998 indicating, inter alia, that Turkish and Turkish-Cypriot soldiers rounded up Greek-Cypriot civilians in the village of Asha on 18 August 1974 and took away males over the age of 15, most of whom were reportedly killed by Turkish-Cypriot fighters; the written statements of witnesses tending to corroborate the Commission’s earlier findings that many persons now missing were taken into custody by Turkish soldiers or Turkish-Cypriot paramilitaries.

26. The Commission concluded that, notwithstanding evidence of the killing of Greek-Cypriot prisoners and civilians, there was no proof that any of the missing persons were killed in circumstances for which the respondent State could be held responsible; nor did the Commission find any evidence to the effect that any of the persons taken into custody were still being detained or kept in servitude by the respondent State. On the other hand, the Commission found it established that the facts surrounding the fate of the missing persons had not been clarified by the authorities and brought to the notice of the victims’ relatives.”

http://www.cna.org.cy/website/english/edad.shtm

Nikitas, the fate of the ALL missing persons depends on confessions and reports of people and officials who have true information abt them.

[zan]

Like the Commission, the Court did not consider it appropriate to estimate the number of persons who fell into the category of “missing persons”. The Commission’s findings had been summarised as follows;

“25. The Commission found that the evidence submitted to it in the instant case confirmed its earlier findings that certain of the missing persons were last seen in Turkish or Turkish-Cypriot custody. In this connection, the Commission had regard to the following: a statement of Mr Denktaş, “President of the TRNC”, broadcast on 1 March 1996, in which he admitted that forty-two Greek-Cypriot prisoners were handed over to Turkish-Cypriot fighters who killed them and that in order to prevent further such killings prisoners were subsequently transferred to Turkey; the broadcast statement of Mr Yalçin Küçük, a former Turkish officer who had served in the Turkish army at the time and participated in the 1974 military operation in Cyprus, in which he suggested that the Turkish army had engaged in widespread killings of, inter alia, civilians in so-called cleaning-up operations; the Dillon Report submitted to the United States Congress in May 1998 indicating, inter alia, that Turkish and Turkish-Cypriot soldiers rounded up Greek-Cypriot civilians in the village of Asha on 18 August 1974 and took away males over the age of 15, most of whom were reportedly killed by Turkish-Cypriot fighters; the written statements of witnesses tending to corroborate the Commission’s earlier findings that many persons now missing were taken into custody by Turkish soldiers or Turkish-Cypriot paramilitaries.

26. The Commission concluded that, notwithstanding evidence of the killing of Greek-Cypriot prisoners and civilians, there was no proof that any of the missing persons were killed in circumstances for which the respondent State could be held responsible; nor did the Commission find any evidence to the effect that any of the persons taken into custody were still being detained or kept in servitude by the respondent State. On the other hand, the Commission found it established that the facts surrounding the fate of the missing persons had not been clarified by the authorities and brought to the notice of the victims’ relatives.”

http://www.cna.org.cy/website/english/edad.shtm

Nikitas, the fate of the ALL missing persons depends on confessions and reports of people and officials who have true information abt them.

And the only way to the truth is if the GCs start to confess to the numbers that were killed by their own and stop this blaming the Turks for every death.....If they were to say "Look, we admit that many of those were our doing" then we might just get to the bottom of this.....Denktas was honest about it so why can't they...Some sort of propaganda war perhaps??

[GeorgeV97qaue]

Like the Commission, the Court did not consider it appropriate to estimate the number of persons who fell into the category of “missing persons”. The Commission’s findings had been summarised as follows;

“25. The Commission found that the evidence submitted to it in the instant case confirmed its earlier findings that certain of the missing persons were last seen in Turkish or Turkish-Cypriot custody. In this connection, the Commission had regard to the following: a statement of Mr Denktaş, “President of the TRNC”, broadcast on 1 March 1996, in which he admitted that forty-two Greek-Cypriot prisoners were handed over to Turkish-Cypriot fighters who killed them and that in order to prevent further such killings prisoners were subsequently transferred to Turkey; the broadcast statement of Mr Yalçin Küçük, a former Turkish officer who had served in the Turkish army at the time and participated in the 1974 military operation in Cyprus, in which he suggested that the Turkish army had engaged in widespread killings of, inter alia, civilians in so-called cleaning-up operations; the Dillon Report submitted to the United States Congress in May 1998 indicating, inter alia, that Turkish and Turkish-Cypriot soldiers rounded up Greek-Cypriot civilians in the village of Asha on 18 August 1974 and took away males over the age of 15, most of whom were reportedly killed by Turkish-Cypriot fighters; the written statements of witnesses tending to corroborate the Commission’s earlier findings that many persons now missing were taken into custody by Turkish soldiers or Turkish-Cypriot paramilitaries.

26. The Commission concluded that, notwithstanding evidence of the killing of Greek-Cypriot prisoners and civilians, there was no proof that any of the missing persons were killed in circumstances for which the respondent State could be held responsible; nor did the Commission find any evidence to the effect that any of the persons taken into custody were still being detained or kept in servitude by the respondent State. On the other hand, the Commission found it established that the facts surrounding the fate of the missing persons had not been clarified by the authorities and brought to the notice of the victims’ relatives.”

http://www.cna.org.cy/website/english/edad.shtm

Nikitas, the fate of the ALL missing persons depends on confessions and reports of people and officials who have true information abt them.

And the only way to the truth is if the GCs start to confess to the numbers that were killed by their own and stop this blaming the Turks for every death.....If they were to say "Look, we admit that many of those were our doing" then we might just get to the bottom of this.....Denktas was honest about it so why can't they...Some sort of propaganda war perhaps??

Denktas was honet when was that then? I remember watching a BBC documentarty about the missing people and he sat their and said he didnt know what happened to the 1000 missing people. He did say they wernt executed. He is biggest bullshtter ever.

He was part of the 74 invasion and he knows exactly what happened to all the missing. Lets not forget how many TC's that were killed by the TMT so they could force the TC community into the enclaves just so Turkey had its justification to invade in the futre which they did. The trouble in the 60's was down to you lot as well not just us.

[YFred]

Like the Commission, the Court did not consider it appropriate to estimate the number of persons who fell into the category of “missing persons”. The Commission’s findings had been summarised as follows;

“25. The Commission found that the evidence submitted to it in the instant case confirmed its earlier findings that certain of the missing persons were last seen in Turkish or Turkish-Cypriot custody. In this connection, the Commission had regard to the following: a statement of Mr Denktaş, “President of the TRNC”, broadcast on 1 March 1996, in which he admitted that forty-two Greek-Cypriot prisoners were handed over to Turkish-Cypriot fighters who killed them and that in order to prevent further such killings prisoners were subsequently transferred to Turkey; the broadcast statement of Mr Yalçin Küçük, a former Turkish officer who had served in the Turkish army at the time and participated in the 1974 military operation in Cyprus, in which he suggested that the Turkish army had engaged in widespread killings of, inter alia, civilians in so-called cleaning-up operations; the Dillon Report submitted to the United States Congress in May 1998 indicating, inter alia, that Turkish and Turkish-Cypriot soldiers rounded up Greek-Cypriot civilians in the village of Asha on 18 August 1974 and took away males over the age of 15, most of whom were reportedly killed by Turkish-Cypriot fighters; the written statements of witnesses tending to corroborate the Commission’s earlier findings that many persons now missing were taken into custody by Turkish soldiers or Turkish-Cypriot paramilitaries.

26. The Commission concluded that, notwithstanding evidence of the killing of Greek-Cypriot prisoners and civilians, there was no proof that any of the missing persons were killed in circumstances for which the respondent State could be held responsible; nor did the Commission find any evidence to the effect that any of the persons taken into custody were still being detained or kept in servitude by the respondent State. On the other hand, the Commission found it established that the facts surrounding the fate of the missing persons had not been clarified by the authorities and brought to the notice of the victims’ relatives.”

http://www.cna.org.cy/website/english/edad.shtm

Nikitas, the fate of the ALL missing persons depends on confessions and reports of people and officials who have true information abt them.

And the only way to the truth is if the GCs start to confess to the numbers that were killed by their own and stop this blaming the Turks for every death.....If they were to say "Look, we admit that many of those were our doing" then we might just get to the bottom of this.....Denktas was honest about it so why can't they...Some sort of propaganda war perhaps??

Denktas was honet when was that then? I remember watching a BBC documentarty about the missing people and he sat their and said he didnt know what happened to the 1000 missing people. He did say they wernt executed. He is biggest bullshtter ever.

He was part of the 74 invasion and he knows exactly what happened to all the missing. Lets not forget how many TC's that were killed by the TMT so they could force the TC community into the enclaves just so Turkey had its justification to invade in the futre which they did. The trouble in the 60's was down to you lot as well not just us.

You really are beyond help. But I will try anyway.
TMT killed TCs who tried to wake people up about the intention of Some GCs and TCs to split the island up and that it would lead to war and disaster.
Kavazoglu and the two lawyers spring to mind. The reason for the TCs seeking refuge in the enclaves was because they feared your heros eoka. The killed plenty of innocent TCs. The job of TMT was to protect the enclaves. Nobody was forced to stay there. I personally know of one man who did not take the advice and ventured into Dali and never returned. Another a nurse also did not take that advice and heeded the call of the RoC to return to the Hospital where he worked and we all know what they did to him. My two other neighbours were farm hands on a GC farm never returned. You ignorant excuse for a human being.

[EPSILON]

When they find be sure we will talk abt it. We will talk abt it wheteher they were POWs or killed during the combat. Even there could be mass graves of GCs in North who were killed by Sampson and his gangs before Turkey intervened. I fully support that every report regarding missings must be investigated and revealed.

If they were killed as PoWs by a group of TCs or Turks; shame on those Turks and TCs committing such a cowardly and brutal crime! If they were killed during the combat, shame on those who brought them to combat and caused their death!


Ps: Hope this staisfy Oracle and alikes.

I notice that you separate Sampson from Turkish army.!!They, both were the same thing (at least 1974) - terrorists.!!But Sampson was an inlegal regime (junta) and Turkish army was an official part of Turkish government!!!Junta regime - finshed-capout- Turkish state is still there. Therefore only one can be sent to court.