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[Oracle]

Sooner or later we will partly or completely understand what goes behind the scenes regarding the weirdness of these allegations...

The only weird thing is how desperate you are to cover this whole thing up ... just like the Turkish regime!

The other weird thing is ... we couldn't possibly think ANY less of you .... what's 800 -1000 ... when you were responsible for the genocide of nearly 2 Million Christians and you STILL deny it!

The allegations and ur efforts to satisfy ur anti-Turkish sentiments r here.(The most recent one). There r hundreds more.

Listen mister, whatever the outcome ... and as I have already said .. this would NOT make me think ANY less of Turks because I KNOW what they are capable of.

Do you think your continued attempts to implicate everyone else but the Turks, convinces ANYONE who has had the unfortunate experiences with Turks that Cypriots (Kurds Armenians etc) have had, that the Turks are snowy white?

There are no allegations ... you are the only one acting GUILTY! Stop trying to point the finger at everyone else!

[bill cobbett]

Sure we all want a peace and one that will last.

A peace won't survive the truth coming out after a settlement.

Those who want a lastng peace, and sure we all do, should demand the fullest investigation now.

At the moment this is looking more and more like a procrastinating cover-up by the Illegal Regime which begs the question What are they concealing?

Bill, these are not new killings, people were aware of these killings in 74. I remember Clerides admitting on a documentary that they each new exactly where these people were buried but chose not to cooperate. It doesn't matter when this information comes out, it will not and should not make any difference. There is an unwritten agreement between them that they will not take action against anybody. They just want the remains back for the families.

Of course we have know about the kllings for a very long time but what may explode in our peace-loving faces in a few years time are real relevations as to the possible nature, the possible circumstances of some of the killings.

Get it out now.

Bill, numbers don't mean a thing. Both sides are guilty as each other. We have to rise above it. I am convinced that there are people who are deliberately stoking the fires up on both sides to stop the talks. I really do believe that they will not be able to.

(Didn't mention numbers.)

Freddie, these stories have to be put behind us, and now, so that we can move on in the ways we all want.

The best way of doing this is for the Illegal Regime to show some goodwill and lift the veto on searching these sites if for no other reason than to allow the relatives to give their loved ones a decent burial.

[Get Real!]

Bill, numbers don't mean a thing.

Good! ...then accept your 18% minority status and shut up.

[YFred]

Bill, numbers don't mean a thing.

Good! ...then accept your 18% minority status and shut up.

Why are you so generous, according to you we only have 12%.
What do we owe this pleasure to?

[Nikitas]

Why is there so much mystery about this? Denktash many years ago stated clearly and plainly that there are no living missing persons. He put it bluntly, the missing were killed by TC irregulars, which might or might not be accurate, but surely we all know they were killed, as we know that all the missing TCs were killed.

The games played by both sides since that statement by Denktash are beyond analysis. What political gain could there be for anyone in keeping hopes alive that some of the missing might be alive?

But this is the quality of Cypriot politicians on both sides. How can these people fool enough voters to get elected? That is the mystery!

[Get Real!]

Bill, numbers don't mean a thing.

Good! ...then accept your 18% minority status and shut up.

Why are you so generous, according to you we only have 12%.
What do we owe this pleasure to?

Your assumption that I was referring to land ownership…

The moral of this story Y-Fronts is that numbers shouldn’t only be meaningful when it suits you!

[Tim Drayton]

[...]
Has N Kizilyurek ever mentioned anything like that? He was one of them.
[...]

I have read a couple of his books and they are not really personal memoirs, as I am sure you are aware. In the introduction to Milliyetçilik Kıskacında Kıbrıs he makes the following brief reference to his family's move to Louroujina:

1964 yılında göç etmek zorunda kaldık.

In 1964 we were forced to migrate.

Which leaves open the whole question of what or who forced them to migrate.

In the same paragraph he refers to your village as:

"Rumlardan korunmak üzere" göç ettiğimiz Türk köyü Luricina

The Turkish village of Louroujina to which we migrated "to be protected from the Greek Cypriots"

where it is interesting to note that he puts quotes around the ostensible reason for migrating, again leaving open the whole question of whether he believes this was the real reason or not.

As you are no doubt also aware, Kızılyürek has lived in the southern part of Cyprus for quite some time and nowadays works at the University of Nicosia.

[YFred]

[...]
Has N Kizilyurek ever mentioned anything like that? He was one of them.
[...]

I have read a couple of his books and they are not really personal memoirs, as I am sure you are aware. In the introduction to Milliyetçilik Kıskacında Kıbrıs he makes the following brief reference to his family's move to Louroujina:

1964 yılında göç etmek zorunda kaldık.

In 1964 we were forced to migrate.

Which leaves open the whole question of what or who forced them to migrate.

In the same paragraph he refers to your village as:

"Rumlardan korunmak üzere" göç ettiğimiz Türk köyü Luricina

The Turkish village of Louroujina to which we migrated "to be protected from the Greek Cypriots"

where it is interesting to note that he puts quotes around the ostensible reason for migrating, again leaving open the whole question of whether he believes this was the real reason or not.

As you are no doubt also aware, Kızılyürek has lived in the southern part of Cyprus for quite some time and nowadays works at the University of Nicosia.

Tim, just to add a few more thoughts to the matter.

Kizilyurek leaves no doubt as to why they moved from their village. It was protection from the eoka.

Not only Dali was walking distance but Limya is about 500 meters away from Lurucina. If anybody wanted to move back home they would have moved.
Secondly, My father had a fair bit of land in Botamya, and 1970 onwards he felt secure enough to use it till 74. These people were in Lurucina until 74 and did not move back to to their homes, which they could have done between 69 and 74 with no fear from TMT. However the threat from eoka was very real. After 74 they moved to Argaca in the north. There is no doubt about what I am telling you.

There is a fine line from protecting somebody for their own good and from going to their death and what is being suggested.

TMT did a lot of things but such control on TCs was not one of them. Despite what some forumers would like to believe.

[Oracle]

Stop talking rot YFred ... you are a well known habitual liar on this forum and the more you say the more we realise you are just after protecting yourself and your TMT colleagues ...

You are the last person to contradict Tim ....

[Tim Drayton]

Source:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/273491/m ... rcekler+11

Fred, the following brochure was apparently distributed by the Turkish Cypriot leadership in 1964 to residents of the city’s Turkish quarter:

A: Bu emre itaatsizlik edecek olanlar ve Rumlarla ticari ilişkiye geçenler 25 Kıbrıs Lirası cezaya veya hapislik cezasına çarptırılacaklardır.

B. Bir Kıbrıs Lirası ceza şu suçlara verilecektir.

1- Rumlarla konuşup tartışanlar ve beraberinde Kıbrıslı Rum veya yabancıyla görülenler.

2- Rumlarla herhangi resmi bir iş münasebetiyle ilişkiye geçecek olanlar.

3- Kıbrıs Rum Bölgelerine geçecek olanlar.

4-Kıbrıs Rum Hastahanesi’ne muayene veya ilaç için gidecek olanlar.

C. Kıbrıslı Rumlarla ilişkiye geçenler veya Türk bölgelerinden elde edilecek malları Rum Bölgelerinden alanlara, ürettiğimiz malları Rum Bölgelerinden alanlara 20 K. Lirası ceza empoze edilecektir.

D. Aşağıdaki nedenlerle Rum Bölgesi’ne geçenlere 25 Kıbrıs Lirası ciddi bir ceza veya aylık hapis ya da kırbaçlama cezası verilecektir.

1- Gezmek için geçenler.

2-Kıbrıslı Rumlarla dostluk ilişkisi için geçenler.

3-Eğlence için

4-Kıbrıslı Rumlara bilgi aktarmak için geçenler.

Not. Yalnız Rum Bölgesinden geçmek mecburiyetinde kalanlar yukarıdaki kısıtlamalardan muaftırlar.

TRANSLATION

A: A fine of 25 Cyprus pounds or a term of imprisonment will be imposed on those who disobey this order and enter commercial relations with Greek Cypriots.

B: A fine of one Cyprus pound will be imposed for the following offences:

1- Those who speak to or enter discussions with Greek Cypriots or are seen together with Greek Cypriots or foreigners.

2- Those who enter any form of official business relations with Greek Cypriots.

3- Those who cross into Greek Cypriot areas.

4- Those who go to the Greek Cypriot Hospital for treatment or medicine.

C. A fine of 20 Cyprus pounds will imposed on those who enter relations with Greek Cypriots, purchase goods that are obtainable in Turkish areas or who purchase goods which we produce from Greek Cypriot areas.

D. An aggravated penalty of 25 Cyprus pounds or one month’s imprisonment or the penalty of whipping will be imposed on those who go to the Greek Cypriot area for the following reasons.

1- Those who cross over to make a trip.

2- Those who cross over for relationships of friendship with Greek Cypriots.

3- For entertainment.

4- Those who cross over to pass on information to Greek Cypriots.

NB – Only those who must out of necessity cross to the Greek Cypriot area are exempt from the above restrictions.

If what you say about Louroujina is true, then it was a liberal paradise compared to Limassol.