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[Tim Drayton]

There is a very elderly man who I sometimes talk to while waiting for a bus at the Limassol bus terminal. He apparently emigrated from Cyprus to the UK when the island was still under British rule and worked on the London underground for his entire working life. He returned to his native Cyprus when he retired. He told me that at the time of the EOKA struggle people in London kept telling him things like, "If you hate this country so much why don't you **** off". The irony was that he himself did not support the EOKA struggle at the time! I think there is a moral in that story somewhere.

[Jerry]

There is a very elderly man who I sometimes talk to while waiting for a bus at the Limassol bus terminal. He apparently emigrated from Cyprus to the UK when the island was still under British rule and worked on the London underground for his entire working life. He returned to his native Cyprus when he retired. He told me that at the time of the EOKA struggle people in London kept telling him things like, "If you hate this country so much why don't you **** off". The irony was that he himself did not support the EOKA struggle at the time! I think there is a moral in that story somewhere.

That happened to me a school Tim. After a British soldier had been reported in the news as being shot by EOKA a boy in my class quite angrily told me to go back to where I can from, being a half-breed born in Bedford I was unable to oblige.

[Floda]

"They will not piss up my back and bite more than they can chew"..thats what you meant wasnt it
funny how before I got to the end of your relpy, I did predict you were going to mention OIL!! funny that.
The thing is oil doesnt spring into mind when I think about "operation freedom Iraq"
Example 9/11, was an act of killing on a massive scale and if you like was an act of war/murder of which was unprovoked.

On that note floda, I bid you good night, one must sleep [/quote]

I am not sure that I capture the meaning of the first line of your response since it would imply that I MEANT something other than that which I had written, not only that, the distortion of the adage it supposedly refers to, does not make any sense at all (as far as I can determine).

As to my reference to 'OIL', I really was not going to make any mention of it since I would think that EVERY member on the forum is well aware of the fact that it DOES loom large when one tries to analyse the reasons for the conflicts in the Middle East, there are others, a little scrutiny of the 'Foreign Policies' of those nations involved may reveal themselves to an inquisitive mind.

However, congratulations on your claimed ability to 'Predict' my thoughts, I assure you that you are in a tiny minority.

As to 'Operation Freedom Iraq', that is another subject that has been discussed long and severally in the past, surprisingly, if you would care to research the exchanges on the subject (on this forum AND elsewhere throughout the entire world) you may find that the general consensus of opinion (other than the fact that the campaign was based on LIES) is that 'OIL' was the main reason for such campaign.

9/11 (in your opinion) was an unprovoked act of war/murder and I personally feel quite sorry for you if that is truly your opinion. A brief study of the events of the Middle East (instigated and perpetrated by the US) for many years PRIOR to the actions of 9/11, will surely reveal a great measure of provocation (unless you subscribe to the idea that the Arab nations are mere scum).

On the same subject (9/11) there has been an awful amount of controversial opinion surrounding the entire episode, far too much to effectively discuss here but freely available to any with a modicum of interest in the subject.

I do hope you enjoyed your sleep, perhaps you may wish (fully awake) to spend a little time pondering those opinions which conflict your own, there can be little (or no) justification in automatically and habitually assuming a posture of defence whenever a disparaging comment is made of those you support unless you have strong evidence to negate those comments, therefore I do urge you to consider those points which I have made mention of.

"Good Morning!"

[Simon]

There is a very elderly man who I sometimes talk to while waiting for a bus at the Limassol bus terminal. He apparently emigrated from Cyprus to the UK when the island was still under British rule and worked on the London underground for his entire working life. He returned to his native Cyprus when he retired. He told me that at the time of the EOKA struggle people in London kept telling him things like, "If you hate this country so much why don't you **** off". The irony was that he himself did not support the EOKA struggle at the time! I think there is a moral in that story somewhere.

Tim, when I made my comment, I was referring to people who genuinely detest the UK, and this hatred manifests itself in all sorts of ways, i.e. intending to blow up transatlantic flights full of innocent civilians, or burning the Union Jack on the streets of Britain etc. You seem to be implying that I stated all Muslims dislike Britain with your example above. This is of course nonsense. I do not believe that every British Muslim despises Britain, and do not believe in bland generalisations. I was referring to the ones that do, and specifically the attempted transatlantic liquid bombers, which is the subject of the thread.

[Tim Drayton]

There is a very elderly man who I sometimes talk to while waiting for a bus at the Limassol bus terminal. He apparently emigrated from Cyprus to the UK when the island was still under British rule and worked on the London underground for his entire working life. He returned to his native Cyprus when he retired. He told me that at the time of the EOKA struggle people in London kept telling him things like, "If you hate this country so much why don't you **** off". The irony was that he himself did not support the EOKA struggle at the time! I think there is a moral in that story somewhere.

Tim, when I made my comment, I was referring to people who genuinely detest the UK, and this hatred manifests itself in all sorts of ways, i.e. intending to blow up transatlantic flights full of innocent civilians, or burning the Union Jack on the streets of Britain etc. You seem to be implying that I stated all Muslims dislike Britain with your example above. This is of course nonsense. I do not believe that every British Muslim despises Britain, and do not believe in bland generalisations. I was referring to the ones that do, and specifically the attempted transatlantic liquid bombers, which is the subject of the thread.

You are right. Some other contributors to this thread seem to be more ready to resort to some rather crude stereotypes and tar a whole community with the same brush, though. There is a danger in this. It troubles me both that some British people cannot accept that British-born Muslims are still British, and also that a section of the British-born Muslim population does not identify with the country of their birth.

[Simon]

There is a very elderly man who I sometimes talk to while waiting for a bus at the Limassol bus terminal. He apparently emigrated from Cyprus to the UK when the island was still under British rule and worked on the London underground for his entire working life. He returned to his native Cyprus when he retired. He told me that at the time of the EOKA struggle people in London kept telling him things like, "If you hate this country so much why don't you **** off". The irony was that he himself did not support the EOKA struggle at the time! I think there is a moral in that story somewhere.

Tim, when I made my comment, I was referring to people who genuinely detest the UK, and this hatred manifests itself in all sorts of ways, i.e. intending to blow up transatlantic flights full of innocent civilians, or burning the Union Jack on the streets of Britain etc. You seem to be implying that I stated all Muslims dislike Britain with your example above. This is of course nonsense. I do not believe that every British Muslim despises Britain, and do not believe in bland generalisations. I was referring to the ones that do, and specifically the attempted transatlantic liquid bombers, which is the subject of the thread.

You are right. Some other contributors to this thread seem to be more ready to resort to some rather crude stereotypes and tar a whole community with the same brush, though. There is a danger in this. It troubles me both that some British people cannot accept that British-born Muslims are still British, and also that a section of the British-born Muslim population does not identify with the country of their birth.

Spot on Tim, and this I believe is one of the major causes of the problems we have in the UK today with home-grown terrorism and racism. The other major cause of course being the perceived injustice that Muslims feel around the world with Western policies.

But of course this still doesn't completely explain it all away, as some Muslims in the UK want Britain to become an Islamic state. These are the types of extremists whose philosophy must be defeated wherever it is found, especially by people in their own communities.

[baby-come-fly-with-me]

"They will not piss up my back and bite more than they can chew"..thats what you meant wasnt it
funny how before I got to the end of your relpy, I did predict you were going to mention OIL!! funny that.
The thing is oil doesnt spring into mind when I think about "operation freedom Iraq"
Example 9/11, was an act of killing on a massive scale and if you like was an act of war/murder of which was unprovoked.

On that note floda, I bid you good night, one must sleep

I am not sure that I capture the meaning of the first line of your response since it would imply that I MEANT something other than that which I had written, not only that, the distortion of the adage it supposedly refers to, does not make any sense at all (as far as I can determine).

As to my reference to 'OIL', I really was not going to make any mention of it since I would think that EVERY member on the forum is well aware of the fact that it DOES loom large when one tries to analyse the reasons for the conflicts in the Middle East, there are others, a little scrutiny of the 'Foreign Policies' of those nations involved may reveal themselves to an inquisitive mind.

However, congratulations on your claimed ability to 'Predict' my thoughts, I assure you that you are in a tiny minority.

As to 'Operation Freedom Iraq', that is another subject that has been discussed long and severally in the past, surprisingly, if you would care to research the exchanges on the subject (on this forum AND elsewhere throughout the entire world) you may find that the general consensus of opinion (other than the fact that the campaign was based on LIES) is that 'OIL' was the main reason for such campaign.

9/11 (in your opinion) was an unprovoked act of war/murder and I personally feel quite sorry for you if that is truly your opinion. A brief study of the events of the Middle East (instigated and perpetrated by the US) for many years PRIOR to the actions of 9/11, will surely reveal a great measure of provocation (unless you subscribe to the idea that the Arab nations are mere scum).

On the same subject (9/11) there has been an awful amount of controversial opinion surrounding the entire episode, far too much to effectively discuss here but freely available to any with a modicum of interest in the subject.

I do hope you enjoyed your sleep, perhaps you may wish (fully awake) to spend a little time pondering those opinions which conflict your own, there can be little (or no) justification in automatically and habitually assuming a posture of defence whenever a disparaging comment is made of those you support unless you have strong evidence to negate those comments, therefore I do urge you to consider those points which I have made mention of.

"Good Morning!" [/quote]
Do you think that afganistan was a rehersal, warm up if you like before the war in iraq? only you said it was planned for years?
It would be so much easier if we could get into to the minds of Terrorists, however we cant and the mijority of society simply cant get their heads round why Terrorists think the way they do and carry out their acts the way they do.
It has to stop and I think you will find that goverments will do whatever it takes to stop them. One can only wonder if this will be achieved.
Going back to your previous reply Floda, you did say you feel sorry for me for believing that 9/11 was an act of war/murder on a mass scale..feel sorry for me nothing, its the truth. It seems you believe the 9/11 attacks were acceptable the arseholes who did it were right to do what they did?
I do not believe arabs are scum but I do however take a very dim view to their beliefs IF it involves bombing jets and having thoughts in their minds of killings in a way that isnt and will never be accepted in society, its a crime and thats that.
In my opinion there were a few objectives for going to war in iraq, but in my opinion the main one was to collect intellegence relating to terrorist networks and there was a damn good reason for doing just that...

[baby-come-fly-with-me]

"They will not piss up my back and bite more than they can chew"..thats what you meant wasnt it
funny how before I got to the end of your relpy, I did predict you were going to mention OIL!! funny that.
The thing is oil doesnt spring into mind when I think about "operation freedom Iraq"
Example 9/11, was an act of killing on a massive scale and if you like was an act of war/murder of which was unprovoked.

On that note floda, I bid you good night, one must sleep

I am not sure that I capture the meaning of the first line of your response since it would imply that I MEANT something other than that which I had written, not only that, the distortion of the adage it supposedly refers to, does not make any sense at all (as far as I can determine).

As to my reference to 'OIL', I really was not going to make any mention of it since I would think that EVERY member on the forum is well aware of the fact that it DOES loom large when one tries to analyse the reasons for the conflicts in the Middle East, there are others, a little scrutiny of the 'Foreign Policies' of those nations involved may reveal themselves to an inquisitive mind.

However, congratulations on your claimed ability to 'Predict' my thoughts, I assure you that you are in a tiny minority.

As to 'Operation Freedom Iraq', that is another subject that has been discussed long and severally in the past, surprisingly, if you would care to research the exchanges on the subject (on this forum AND elsewhere throughout the entire world) you may find that the general consensus of opinion (other than the fact that the campaign was based on LIES) is that 'OIL' was the main reason for such campaign.

9/11 (in your opinion) was an unprovoked act of war/murder and I personally feel quite sorry for you if that is truly your opinion. A brief study of the events of the Middle East (instigated and perpetrated by the US) for many years PRIOR to the actions of 9/11, will surely reveal a great measure of provocation (unless you subscribe to the idea that the Arab nations are mere scum).

On the same subject (9/11) there has been an awful amount of controversial opinion surrounding the entire episode, far too much to effectively discuss here but freely available to any with a modicum of interest in the subject.

I do hope you enjoyed your sleep, perhaps you may wish (fully awake) to spend a little time pondering those opinions which conflict your own, there can be little (or no) justification in automatically and habitually assuming a posture of defence whenever a disparaging comment is made of those you support unless you have strong evidence to negate those comments, therefore I do urge you to consider those points which I have made mention of.

"Good Morning!"

Do you think that afganistan was a rehersal, warm up if you like before the war in iraq? only you said it was planned for years?
It would be so much easier if we could get into to the minds of Terrorists, however we cant and the mijority of society simply cant get their heads round why Terrorists think the way they do and carry out their acts the way they do.
It has to stop and I think you will find that goverments will do whatever it takes to stop them. One can only wonder if this will be achieved.
Going back to your previous reply Floda, you did say you feel sorry for me for believing that 9/11 was an act of war/murder on a mass scale..feel sorry for me nothing, its the truth. It seems you believe the 9/11 attacks were acceptable the arseholes who did it were right to do what they did?
I do not believe arabs are scum but I do however take a very dim view to their beliefs IF it involves bombing jets and having thoughts in their minds of killings in a way that isnt and will never be accepted in society, its a crime and thats that.
In my opinion there were a few objectives for going to war in iraq, but in my opinion the main one was to collect intellegence relating to terrorist networks and there was a damn good reason for doing just that...[/quote]

I just thought i would take a snippet of the new post regarding the attemped bombing in napa...
Im sorry but No one is safe all the while terrorists are on the loose...

"This was a criminal act for which the authorities must show zero tolerance,” sad a PASYXE statement. “The fact that there were no victims should not in any way lessen the extent of the irresponsibility of certain criminal elements. Of particular concern was the fact that this criminal act affects the image of Cyprus as a safe tourist destination.”

[CBBB]

"They will not piss up my back and bite more than they can chew"..thats what you meant wasnt it
funny how before I got to the end of your relpy, I did predict you were going to mention OIL!! funny that.
The thing is oil doesnt spring into mind when I think about "operation freedom Iraq"
Example 9/11, was an act of killing on a massive scale and if you like was an act of war/murder of which was unprovoked.

On that note floda, I bid you good night, one must sleep

I am not sure that I capture the meaning of the first line of your response since it would imply that I MEANT something other than that which I had written, not only that, the distortion of the adage it supposedly refers to, does not make any sense at all (as far as I can determine).

As to my reference to 'OIL', I really was not going to make any mention of it since I would think that EVERY member on the forum is well aware of the fact that it DOES loom large when one tries to analyse the reasons for the conflicts in the Middle East, there are others, a little scrutiny of the 'Foreign Policies' of those nations involved may reveal themselves to an inquisitive mind.

However, congratulations on your claimed ability to 'Predict' my thoughts, I assure you that you are in a tiny minority.

As to 'Operation Freedom Iraq', that is another subject that has been discussed long and severally in the past, surprisingly, if you would care to research the exchanges on the subject (on this forum AND elsewhere throughout the entire world) you may find that the general consensus of opinion (other than the fact that the campaign was based on LIES) is that 'OIL' was the main reason for such campaign.

9/11 (in your opinion) was an unprovoked act of war/murder and I personally feel quite sorry for you if that is truly your opinion. A brief study of the events of the Middle East (instigated and perpetrated by the US) for many years PRIOR to the actions of 9/11, will surely reveal a great measure of provocation (unless you subscribe to the idea that the Arab nations are mere scum).

On the same subject (9/11) there has been an awful amount of controversial opinion surrounding the entire episode, far too much to effectively discuss here but freely available to any with a modicum of interest in the subject.

I do hope you enjoyed your sleep, perhaps you may wish (fully awake) to spend a little time pondering those opinions which conflict your own, there can be little (or no) justification in automatically and habitually assuming a posture of defence whenever a disparaging comment is made of those you support unless you have strong evidence to negate those comments, therefore I do urge you to consider those points which I have made mention of.

"Good Morning!"

Do you think that afganistan was a rehersal, warm up if you like before the war in iraq? only you said it was planned for years?
It would be so much easier if we could get into to the minds of Terrorists, however we cant and the mijority of society simply cant get their heads round why Terrorists think the way they do and carry out their acts the way they do.
It has to stop and I think you will find that goverments will do whatever it takes to stop them. One can only wonder if this will be achieved.
Going back to your previous reply Floda, you did say you feel sorry for me for believing that 9/11 was an act of war/murder on a mass scale..feel sorry for me nothing, its the truth. It seems you believe the 9/11 attacks were acceptable the arseholes who did it were right to do what they did?
I do not believe arabs are scum but I do however take a very dim view to their beliefs IF it involves bombing jets and having thoughts in their minds of killings in a way that isnt and will never be accepted in society, its a crime and thats that.
In my opinion there were a few objectives for going to war in iraq, but in my opinion the main one was to collect intellegence relating to terrorist networks and there was a damn good reason for doing just that...

I just thought i would take a snippet of the new post regarding the attemped bombing in napa...
Im sorry but No one is safe all the while terrorists are on the loose...

"This was a criminal act for which the authorities must show zero tolerance,” sad a PASYXE statement. “The fact that there were no victims should not in any way lessen the extent of the irresponsibility of certain criminal elements. Of particular concern was the fact that this criminal act affects the image of Cyprus as a safe tourist destination.”[/quote]

What happened in Ayia Napa has nothing to do with terrorists, it is obviously something to do with money, in one way or the other.

[baby-come-fly-with-me]

"They will not piss up my back and bite more than they can chew"..thats what you meant wasnt it
funny how before I got to the end of your relpy, I did predict you were going to mention OIL!! funny that.
The thing is oil doesnt spring into mind when I think about "operation freedom Iraq"
Example 9/11, was an act of killing on a massive scale and if you like was an act of war/murder of which was unprovoked.

On that note floda, I bid you good night, one must sleep

I am not sure that I capture the meaning of the first line of your response since it would imply that I MEANT something other than that which I had written, not only that, the distortion of the adage it supposedly refers to, does not make any sense at all (as far as I can determine).

As to my reference to 'OIL', I really was not going to make any mention of it since I would think that EVERY member on the forum is well aware of the fact that it DOES loom large when one tries to analyse the reasons for the conflicts in the Middle East, there are others, a little scrutiny of the 'Foreign Policies' of those nations involved may reveal themselves to an inquisitive mind.

However, congratulations on your claimed ability to 'Predict' my thoughts, I assure you that you are in a tiny minority.

As to 'Operation Freedom Iraq', that is another subject that has been discussed long and severally in the past, surprisingly, if you would care to research the exchanges on the subject (on this forum AND elsewhere throughout the entire world) you may find that the general consensus of opinion (other than the fact that the campaign was based on LIES) is that 'OIL' was the main reason for such campaign.

9/11 (in your opinion) was an unprovoked act of war/murder and I personally feel quite sorry for you if that is truly your opinion. A brief study of the events of the Middle East (instigated and perpetrated by the US) for many years PRIOR to the actions of 9/11, will surely reveal a great measure of provocation (unless you subscribe to the idea that the Arab nations are mere scum).

On the same subject (9/11) there has been an awful amount of controversial opinion surrounding the entire episode, far too much to effectively discuss here but freely available to any with a modicum of interest in the subject.

I do hope you enjoyed your sleep, perhaps you may wish (fully awake) to spend a little time pondering those opinions which conflict your own, there can be little (or no) justification in automatically and habitually assuming a posture of defence whenever a disparaging comment is made of those you support unless you have strong evidence to negate those comments, therefore I do urge you to consider those points which I have made mention of.

"Good Morning!"

Do you think that afganistan was a rehersal, warm up if you like before the war in iraq? only you said it was planned for years?
It would be so much easier if we could get into to the minds of Terrorists, however we cant and the mijority of society simply cant get their heads round why Terrorists think the way they do and carry out their acts the way they do.
It has to stop and I think you will find that goverments will do whatever it takes to stop them. One can only wonder if this will be achieved.
Going back to your previous reply Floda, you did say you feel sorry for me for believing that 9/11 was an act of war/murder on a mass scale..feel sorry for me nothing, its the truth. It seems you believe the 9/11 attacks were acceptable the arseholes who did it were right to do what they did?
I do not believe arabs are scum but I do however take a very dim view to their beliefs IF it involves bombing jets and having thoughts in their minds of killings in a way that isnt and will never be accepted in society, its a crime and thats that.
In my opinion there were a few objectives for going to war in iraq, but in my opinion the main one was to collect intellegence relating to terrorist networks and there was a damn good reason for doing just that...

I just thought i would take a snippet of the new post regarding the attemped bombing in napa...
Im sorry but No one is safe all the while terrorists are on the loose...

"This was a criminal act for which the authorities must show zero tolerance,” sad a PASYXE statement. “The fact that there were no victims should not in any way lessen the extent of the irresponsibility of certain criminal elements. Of particular concern was the fact that this criminal act affects the image of Cyprus as a safe tourist destination.”

What happened in Ayia Napa has nothing to do with terrorists, it is obviously something to do with money, in one way or the other.[/quote]
Damn good point it is cyprus afterall